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Fwd: Integration Plugins into several 3th party products (Moodle,
Drupal, Joomla, SugarCRM, Teambox, Facebook, ATutor, Zimbra, Bitrix, Magento,
Typo3, Wordpress)
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From: seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
Date: 2012/9/1
Subject: Re: Integration Plugins into several 3th party products
(Moodle, Drupal, Joomla, SugarCRM, Teambox, Facebook, ATutor, Zimbra,
Bitrix, Magento, Typo3, Wordpress)
To: legal-discuss@apache.org
Hi Ralph,
thanks for the answer. I thought the same, however the incubator
raised doubts about the legal status of such a plugin.
I would be happy if there are other contributions to that discussion.
Either here or at Jira:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-147
As there are no negative objections and I think I raised enough
attention to the issue I guess it can be treated with lazy consens
that it is okay to release such plugins at the Apache Software
Foundation.
There has been a positive vote about the release of the Moodle Plugin
for OpenMeetings already 3 weeks ago at the Incubator. I will continue
the release process by next week by distributing the Plugin to the
Apache Mirrors.
Thanks!
Sebastian
2012/8/28 Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>:
> Now that I understand your question I don't think what you want to do is a
> problem at all. As long as you aren't storing GPL components in svn or
> distributing them there should be no problem providing plugins that are
> targeted to third-party systems. See
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#platform
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:52 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
>
> @Aahit The plugins are actually standalone projects that provide an
> integration of our application (Apache OpenMeetings -
> Web-Conferencing) into various third party applications.
> They trigger API methods of Openmeetings but are not bundled or
> distributed with Apache OpenMeetings.
> The plugins don't use GPL components they are just structured in the
> way 3th party system expect a plugin to be structured. Also they rely
> on APIs that the plugin loader mechanisms of the 3th party system
> provide.
>
> @Daniel Ok, lets move the discussion to Jira
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-147
> I tried to summarize the questions asked so far to the Jira issue.
>
> Thanks!
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/8/28 Aahit <aa...@gmail.com>:
>
> It would be great if you clarify your questions a bit more.
>
>
> As I understood, your project license in apache and you are using some
>
> plugins licensed under apache and GPL; you are also using some 3rd party
>
> components. Eventually, you wanted to release all under Apache License; how
>
> you can comply with all licenses? Was that your question?
>
>
> ---------
>
> Aahit Gaba
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:10 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
> this really seems to be a tough nut to crack. I guess lack of time
>
> makes it difficult to answer this request.
>
> However we would be happy if you could share your opinions about it.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2012/8/23 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
>
> Dear Legal team,
>
>
> I am confident we can find a solution no matter what the result will be.
>
> I would be happy to hear your thoughts on this!
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2012/8/21 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
>
> Dear Legal Team,
>
>
> is there anything else I can do to help you or any questions that
>
> should be clarified upfront?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2012/8/17 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
>
> @Legals-Team I am sorry for the last cross posting user, maybe CC'ing
>
> private list is better.
>
>
> Is there anything else you would like to know?
>
> From my point of view all GPL licensed product can be treated equal as
>
> they all provide the same functionality, using almost the same API
>
> calls to integrate OpenMeetings into the 3th party system.
>
>
> It is always the same process:
>
> 1) Verify, and read user role in the 3th party system
>
> 2) Trigger API calls to OpenMeetings to create/update/delete
>
> conference room
>
> 3) Create session hash/token to enter conference room or recording
>
>
> But if you feel like each of the 3th party systems must be treated
>
> separated I can also try to prepare some graphics for each system
>
> separated that show the interaction in more details.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2012/8/16 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>:
>
> Teambox guys simplified so much the way of integration with their
>
> service.
>
> So, now there is not Javascript, but only REST calls are used in the
>
> plugin.
>
>
> German.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/8/16 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>
>
> OK
>
> There should be Teambox "client" plugin, since AFAIK to integrate
>
> into
>
> Teambox JavaScript is required.
>
>
> @German can you clarify it?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:00 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I can only see PHP files involved in the integration:
>
>
>
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/plugins/teambox/
>
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2012/8/15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>:
>
> I believe Teambox plugin is Javascript based also ... (but I
>
> might be
>
> wrong)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes all mentioned plugins are in PHP except Zimbra plugin,
>
> which is
>
> pure JavaScript.
>
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2012/8/15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>:
>
> Almost all plugins are written in PHP, couple are JavaScript.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Daniel Shahaf <
>
> d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote on Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 14:32:27
>
> +0200:
>
> From what I understood a plugin cannot be licensed under
>
> the
>
> Apache
>
> License if it uses API calls of a GPL licensed product.
>
>
>
> That's a generalisation and answering it as stated is a
>
> whole new
>
> can
>
> of
>
> worms.
>
>
> It might be useful to mention what languages the plugins
>
> will be
>
> written
>
> in.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> WBR
>
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
>
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> WBR
>
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
>
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> WBR
>
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
>
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
>
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
>
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
>
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Integration Plugins into several 3th party products (Moodle,
Drupal, Joomla, SugarCRM, Teambox, Facebook, ATutor, Zimbra, Bitrix, Magento,
Typo3, Wordpress)
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for clarifications.
I'm going to start vote for Joomla plugin.
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 3:11 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com
> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2012/9/1
> Subject: Re: Integration Plugins into several 3th party products
> (Moodle, Drupal, Joomla, SugarCRM, Teambox, Facebook, ATutor, Zimbra,
> Bitrix, Magento, Typo3, Wordpress)
> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
>
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> thanks for the answer. I thought the same, however the incubator
> raised doubts about the legal status of such a plugin.
>
> I would be happy if there are other contributions to that discussion.
> Either here or at Jira:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-147
> As there are no negative objections and I think I raised enough
> attention to the issue I guess it can be treated with lazy consens
> that it is okay to release such plugins at the Apache Software
> Foundation.
>
> There has been a positive vote about the release of the Moodle Plugin
> for OpenMeetings already 3 weeks ago at the Incubator. I will continue
> the release process by next week by distributing the Plugin to the
> Apache Mirrors.
>
> Thanks!
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/8/28 Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>:
> > Now that I understand your question I don't think what you want to do is
> a
> > problem at all. As long as you aren't storing GPL components in svn or
> > distributing them there should be no problem providing plugins that are
> > targeted to third-party systems. See
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#platform
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:52 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > @Aahit The plugins are actually standalone projects that provide an
> > integration of our application (Apache OpenMeetings -
> > Web-Conferencing) into various third party applications.
> > They trigger API methods of Openmeetings but are not bundled or
> > distributed with Apache OpenMeetings.
> > The plugins don't use GPL components they are just structured in the
> > way 3th party system expect a plugin to be structured. Also they rely
> > on APIs that the plugin loader mechanisms of the 3th party system
> > provide.
> >
> > @Daniel Ok, lets move the discussion to Jira
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-147
> > I tried to summarize the questions asked so far to the Jira issue.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sebastian
> >
> > 2012/8/28 Aahit <aa...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > It would be great if you clarify your questions a bit more.
> >
> >
> > As I understood, your project license in apache and you are using some
> >
> > plugins licensed under apache and GPL; you are also using some 3rd party
> >
> > components. Eventually, you wanted to release all under Apache License;
> how
> >
> > you can comply with all licenses? Was that your question?
> >
> >
> > ---------
> >
> > Aahit Gaba
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:10 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> >
> > this really seems to be a tough nut to crack. I guess lack of time
> >
> > makes it difficult to answer this request.
> >
> > However we would be happy if you could share your opinions about it.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/23 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Dear Legal team,
> >
> >
> > I am confident we can find a solution no matter what the result will be.
> >
> > I would be happy to hear your thoughts on this!
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/21 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Dear Legal Team,
> >
> >
> > is there anything else I can do to help you or any questions that
> >
> > should be clarified upfront?
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/17 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > @Legals-Team I am sorry for the last cross posting user, maybe CC'ing
> >
> > private list is better.
> >
> >
> > Is there anything else you would like to know?
> >
> > From my point of view all GPL licensed product can be treated equal as
> >
> > they all provide the same functionality, using almost the same API
> >
> > calls to integrate OpenMeetings into the 3th party system.
> >
> >
> > It is always the same process:
> >
> > 1) Verify, and read user role in the 3th party system
> >
> > 2) Trigger API calls to OpenMeetings to create/update/delete
> >
> > conference room
> >
> > 3) Create session hash/token to enter conference room or recording
> >
> >
> > But if you feel like each of the 3th party systems must be treated
> >
> > separated I can also try to prepare some graphics for each system
> >
> > separated that show the interaction in more details.
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/16 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Teambox guys simplified so much the way of integration with their
> >
> > service.
> >
> > So, now there is not Javascript, but only REST calls are used in the
> >
> > plugin.
> >
> >
> > German.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/16 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > OK
> >
> > There should be Teambox "client" plugin, since AFAIK to integrate
> >
> > into
> >
> > Teambox JavaScript is required.
> >
> >
> > @German can you clarify it?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:00 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can only see PHP files involved in the integration:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openmeetings/trunk/plugins/teambox/
> >
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > I believe Teambox plugin is Javascript based also ... (but I
> >
> > might be
> >
> > wrong)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> > <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes all mentioned plugins are in PHP except Zimbra plugin,
> >
> > which is
> >
> > pure JavaScript.
> >
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> > 2012/8/15 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Almost all plugins are written in PHP, couple are JavaScript.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Daniel Shahaf <
> >
> > d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote on Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 14:32:27
> >
> > +0200:
> >
> > From what I understood a plugin cannot be licensed under
> >
> > the
> >
> > Apache
> >
> > License if it uses API calls of a GPL licensed product.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's a generalisation and answering it as stated is a
> >
> > whole new
> >
> > can
> >
> > of
> >
> > worms.
> >
> >
> > It might be useful to mention what languages the plugins
> >
> > will be
> >
> > written
> >
> > in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > WBR
> >
> > Maxim aka solomax
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> >
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > WBR
> >
> > Maxim aka solomax
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> >
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > WBR
> >
> > Maxim aka solomax
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> >
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> >
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> >
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> >
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax