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cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Hi

The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11 release  
can be read at:
http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-version- 
dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html

Jürgen


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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Jörn Nettingsmeier <ne...@apache.org>.
solprovider@apache.org wrote:
> 
> Cocoon-2.1.11 includes the fix for the HTTP Serializer correctly
> setting status codes.  That fix is critical for properly working
> websites.  Websites seem to be the primary use of our CMS so all
> releases of Lenya should include this fix.  (I believe) Any official
> release should use only gold versions of dependencies, not dev
> versions.  We should schedule the freeze for the next 2.0 RC to start
> a few days after Cocoon-2.1.11 is released.

-1

the old truism about "gold versions" does not really apply anymore in 
today's software world.
especially since it has become hip to attach "-beta" to your flagship 
web service to show how bleeding edge you are :-D

jokes aside, it would be great to have a cocoon release in time for 2.0. 
but keep in mind it's a legacy for the cocoon crowd, so even if they 
promise to, it's not really clear they will keep a release date. i know 
i wouldn't touch lenya 1.2 unless i really had to.

and lenya 2.0 has been slipping for so long that it would be suicidal to 
make ourselves depend on external factors for our release. this thing 
needs to be out by christmas, or we might as well self-destruct now.

-- 
Jörn Nettingsmeier

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by so...@apache.org.
On 11/16/07, Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org> wrote:
> Am 15.11.2007 um 22:40 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> >> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> >>> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11
> >>> release can
> >>> be read at:
> >>> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-
> >>> version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html
> >>
> >> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
> >>
> >> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?
> >
> > No.
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc-
> > rc1.html?revision=595467
> >
> > That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #
> >
> > We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).
> >
>
> With a 2.1.11 release perspective in december, I think using a svn-
> version for RC1 / 2... (595020) makes sense.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Jürgen

Cocoon-2.1.11 includes the fix for the HTTP Serializer correctly
setting status codes.  That fix is critical for properly working
websites.  Websites seem to be the primary use of our CMS so all
releases of Lenya should include this fix.  (I believe) Any official
release should use only gold versions of dependencies, not dev
versions.  We should schedule the freeze for the next 2.0 RC to start
a few days after Cocoon-2.1.11 is released.

For the same reason, we should plan to release Lenya-1.2.6 with
Cocoon-2.1.11 as soon as possible.

solprovider

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jörn Nettingsmeier schrieb:
> Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
>> Good morning
>>
>> Am 15.11.2007 um 22:40 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11 
>>>>> release can
>>>>> be read at:
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
>>>>
>>>> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?
>>>
>>> No.
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc-rc1.html?revision=595467 
>>>
>>>
>>> That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #
>>>
>>> We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).
>>>
>>
>> With a 2.1.11 release perspective in december, I think using a 
>> svn-version for RC1 / 2... (595020) makes sense.
> 
> +1

+1

-- Andreas


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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Jörn Nettingsmeier <ne...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
> Good morning
> 
> Am 15.11.2007 um 22:40 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> 
>> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11 release 
>>>> can
>>>> be read at:
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html 
>>>>
>>>
>>> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
>>>
>>> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?
>>
>> No.
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc-rc1.html?revision=595467 
>>
>>
>> That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #
>>
>> We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).
>>
> 
> With a 2.1.11 release perspective in december, I think using a 
> svn-version for RC1 / 2... (595020) makes sense.

+1

given that the cocoon crowd does not intend to work on 2.1 anymore 
except for bugfixes, we can reasonably expect their final release to be 
fully compatible with the revision we currently use. that means our 
users can easily replace it by the release when it comes (if there are 
any bugfixes that are worth the trouble).



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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Jann Forrer <ja...@id.uzh.ch>.
Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
> Good morning
> 
> Am 15.11.2007 um 22:40 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> 
>> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11 release
>>>> can
>>>> be read at:
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
>>>
>>> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?
>>
>> No.
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc-rc1.html?revision=595467
>>
>>
>> That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #
>>
>> We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).
>>
> 
> With a 2.1.11 release perspective in december, I think using a
> svn-version for RC1 / 2... (595020) makes sense.
> 
> WDYT?
> 
+1

Jann


Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Richard Frovarp <Ri...@sendit.nodak.edu>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 09:27 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>   
>> Thorsten Scherler schrieb:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>     
>>> Anyway since we have to get this release quickly out of the door I tend
>>> to agree on Bobs position (on which we already agreed on this list).
>>>
>>> - latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0
>>>       
>> +0
>>
>> Like Jörn already pointed out, it's been a while since 2.1.10 has been 
>> released. And if we'll do another release with 2.1.11 soon, the gap (and 
>> the risk of incompatibilities) between 2.1.10 and 2.1.11 will probably 
>> be larger than from the current 2.1.11-dev to 2.1.11.
>>
>> OTOH, either approach is fine with me if it helps to get 2.0 out of the 
>> door. And given that we'll release 2.0.1 with 2.1.11 soon, I could live 
>> with minor issues. I don't think that anyone will finish a project with 
>> 2.0 and has to go live until 2.0.1 is released.
>>     
>
> Since Bob agreed to the suggestion of using HEAD of cocoon, I think we
> are fine to use a certain revision number for cocoon. 
>
>   
>>> - quick 2.0.1 release immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released
>>>       
>> +1
>>
>> BTW, Thorsten - thanks again for organizing the release!
>>
>>     
>
> You are very welcome, just trying the best I can, like everybody in this
> community. :)
>
> Thanks everybody for testing and coding.
>
> salu2
>   

I know I'm late to the discussion. However, I would like to see us use a 
'stable' release of Cocoon. I also want to get a release out the door. 
If we can do a 2.0 release against a specific svn release of Cocoon, 
then a quick 2.0.1 when 2.1.11 is released, that would work for me.

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 09:27 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler schrieb:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Anyway since we have to get this release quickly out of the door I tend
> > to agree on Bobs position (on which we already agreed on this list).
> > 
> > - latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0
> 
> +0
> 
> Like Jörn already pointed out, it's been a while since 2.1.10 has been 
> released. And if we'll do another release with 2.1.11 soon, the gap (and 
> the risk of incompatibilities) between 2.1.10 and 2.1.11 will probably 
> be larger than from the current 2.1.11-dev to 2.1.11.
> 
> OTOH, either approach is fine with me if it helps to get 2.0 out of the 
> door. And given that we'll release 2.0.1 with 2.1.11 soon, I could live 
> with minor issues. I don't think that anyone will finish a project with 
> 2.0 and has to go live until 2.0.1 is released.

Since Bob agreed to the suggestion of using HEAD of cocoon, I think we
are fine to use a certain revision number for cocoon. 

> > - quick 2.0.1 release immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released
> 
> +1
> 
> BTW, Thorsten - thanks again for organizing the release!
> 

You are very welcome, just trying the best I can, like everybody in this
community. :)

Thanks everybody for testing and coding.

salu2

> -- Andreas
> 
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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler schrieb:

[...]

> Anyway since we have to get this release quickly out of the door I tend
> to agree on Bobs position (on which we already agreed on this list).
> 
> - latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0

+0

Like Jörn already pointed out, it's been a while since 2.1.10 has been 
released. And if we'll do another release with 2.1.11 soon, the gap (and 
the risk of incompatibilities) between 2.1.10 and 2.1.11 will probably 
be larger than from the current 2.1.11-dev to 2.1.11.

OTOH, either approach is fine with me if it helps to get 2.0 out of the 
door. And given that we'll release 2.0.1 with 2.1.11 soon, I could live 
with minor issues. I don't think that anyone will finish a project with 
2.0 and has to go live until 2.0.1 is released.

> - instructions how to use a different version of cocooon (like trunk),
> which is very easy thanks to the build properties.

Just my CHF 0.02:
We should be careful not to make a statement like "We think the Cocoon 
version we're shipping is OK, but if it isn't, just try another one." 
Apart from that, it will probably be easier to support a community which 
uses only one version of Cocoon. If problems are reported, we can still 
decide if we have to provide this documentation.

> - quick 2.0.1 release immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released

+1

BTW, Thorsten - thanks again for organizing the release!

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>.
On Nov 17, 2007 5:38 AM, Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 16:01 -0500, Bob Harner wrote:
> ...
> > > Anyway I thought about the whole cocoon stuff a bit and asked myself
> > > whether it makes sense to ship WITHOUT cocoon. We only recommend a
> > > certain version/revision number.
> > >
> > > Meaning the user would have to grep a version of cocoon himself. Would
> > > certainly slim down the release (~100mb!).
> > >
> > > Wdyt?
> >
> > IMHO for now I think we should stick to the original plan of including
> > the latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0.  If
> > Cocoon 2.1.11 is actually released before Lenya 2.0 comes out, then
> > great, we can revisit the decision at that time.  And if Lenya 2.0 is
> > released first, then we can certainly do a quick 2.0.1 release
> > immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released.
>
> We have a split situation ATM. Some of us want the trunk of cocoon and
> other a fixed release.
>
> I can understand both situations but we need to come to a consensus
> ASAP. My suggestion to not ship cocoon was an intention to overcome this
> split pot.
>
> However solprovider perfectly points out the pros and cons, thanks Paul.
> I see them more or less like him. The best would be to include just some
> jars that we need from cocoon and nothing more.
>
> Anyway since we have to get this release quickly out of the door I tend
> to agree on Bobs position (on which we already agreed on this list).
>
> - latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0
> - instructions how to use a different version of cocooon (like trunk),
> which is very easy thanks to the build properties.
> - quick 2.0.1 release immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released

I'm glad Thorsen agrees with me, but I'm really in favor of whatever
gets a stable Lenya 2.0 out the door.  I had previously argued maybe
18 months ago, that development should be based on a released version
of Cocoon, precisely so we wouldn't come to a difficult decision point
like this, but I lost that argument long ago to others who have
(deservedly) far more influence than me.  I happily accept the
consensus of the group, though, so If Cocoon 2.1.10 is likely to be
less stable than 2.1.x then I think we should go with the latter.  The
rest of you are more qualified than me to judge the risk in that.

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 16:01 -0500, Bob Harner wrote:
...
> > Anyway I thought about the whole cocoon stuff a bit and asked myself
> > whether it makes sense to ship WITHOUT cocoon. We only recommend a
> > certain version/revision number.
> >
> > Meaning the user would have to grep a version of cocoon himself. Would
> > certainly slim down the release (~100mb!).
> >
> > Wdyt?
> 
> IMHO for now I think we should stick to the original plan of including
> the latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0.  If
> Cocoon 2.1.11 is actually released before Lenya 2.0 comes out, then
> great, we can revisit the decision at that time.  And if Lenya 2.0 is
> released first, then we can certainly do a quick 2.0.1 release
> immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released.

We have a split situation ATM. Some of us want the trunk of cocoon and
other a fixed release.

I can understand both situations but we need to come to a consensus
ASAP. My suggestion to not ship cocoon was an intention to overcome this
split pot.

However solprovider perfectly points out the pros and cons, thanks Paul.
I see them more or less like him. The best would be to include just some
jars that we need from cocoon and nothing more. 

Anyway since we have to get this release quickly out of the door I tend
to agree on Bobs position (on which we already agreed on this list).

- latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0
- instructions how to use a different version of cocooon (like trunk),
which is very easy thanks to the build properties.
- quick 2.0.1 release immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released

WDYT?

salu2
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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Jörn Nettingsmeier <ne...@apache.org>.
Bob Harner wrote:
> IMHO for now I think we should stick to the original plan of including
> the latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0.  If
> Cocoon 2.1.11 is actually released before Lenya 2.0 comes out, then
> great, we can revisit the decision at that time.  And if Lenya 2.0 is
> released first, then we can certainly do a quick 2.0.1 release
> immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released.

i'm not trying to bicker or anything (we've had that argument before), 
and i respect your opinion, but are you aware of the fact that cocoon 
2.1.10 was released december 19th, 2006? that means nobody in the lenya 
community has used the code you want to include for *almost a year*, and 
we are missing a ton of bugfixes, many of which are known to cause 
issues with lenya?

sure, the world needs more conservative release management, but if we 
use cocoon 2.1.10, this thing is going to explode in our faces. badly.


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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>.
On Nov 16, 2007 3:14 PM, Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:07 +0100, Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
> > Good morning
> >
> > Am 15.11.2007 um 22:40 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> > >> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> > >>> Hi
> > >>>
> > >>> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11
> > >>> release can
> > >>> be read at:
> > >>> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-
> > >>> version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html
> > >>
> > >> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
> > >>
> > >> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?
> > >
> > > No.
> > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc-
> > > rc1.html?revision=595467
> > >
> > > That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #
> > >
> > > We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).
> > >
> >
> > With a 2.1.11 release perspective in december, I think using a svn-
> > version for RC1 / 2... (595020) makes sense.
> >
> > WDYT?
>
> Yeah, I agree.
>
> Anyway I thought about the whole cocoon stuff a bit and asked myself
> whether it makes sense to ship WITHOUT cocoon. We only recommend a
> certain version/revision number.
>
> Meaning the user would have to grep a version of cocoon himself. Would
> certainly slim down the release (~100mb!).
>
> Wdyt?

IMHO for now I think we should stick to the original plan of including
the latest released version of Cocoon (2.1.10) in Lenya 2.0.  If
Cocoon 2.1.11 is actually released before Lenya 2.0 comes out, then
great, we can revisit the decision at that time.  And if Lenya 2.0 is
released first, then we can certainly do a quick 2.0.1 release
immediately after Cocoon 2.1.11 is released.

>
> salu2
>
> >
> > Jürgen
> >
> >
> > null-oder-eins GmbH Zürich
> > web & graphic design
> >
> > www.null-oder-eins.ch
> >
> > ragaller@apache.org
> > Skype: callto://ragaller
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by so...@apache.org.
On 11/16/07, Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:07 +0100, Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
> Anyway I thought about the whole cocoon stuff a bit and asked myself
> whether it makes sense to ship WITHOUT cocoon. We only recommend a
> certain version/revision number.
>
> Meaning the user would have to grep a version of cocoon himself. Would
> certainly slim down the release (~100mb!).
>
> Wdyt?
> Thorsten Scherler                                 thorsten.at.apache.org

A. Recommend certain version of Cocoon in the Installation
Instructions.  Installers must build Cocoon before building Lenya.
PRO: Smaller download?
CONs:
1. Longer instructions.
2. Confuses people.
3. Potential bugs from unmatched versions.

B. Provide cocoon.jar with Lenya.
PROs:
1. Simpler build process.
2. Easier instructions.
3. Easier installation.
4. No duplicate libraries because Cocoon and Lenya provided different versions.
CON: Larger download?

My lenya/build/webapp/WEB-INF/lib has less than 50MB of JARs
(including the endorsed directory.)  Cocoon-2.1.10-src.zip is 54MB.
People wanting Lenya would have less to download if Lenya included the
cocoon JARs.

WDYT?

solprovider

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Jörn Nettingsmeier <ne...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Anyway I thought about the whole cocoon stuff a bit and asked myself
> whether it makes sense to ship WITHOUT cocoon. We only recommend a
> certain version/revision number.
> 
> Meaning the user would have to grep a version of cocoon himself. Would
> certainly slim down the release (~100mb!).

not a problem nowadays. our users are prospective server operators, so 
bandwidth should not be an issue. if anyone can demonstrate that 100 
megs of download is too much for them, i'll happily prepare a stack of 
3½" floppies and mail them out. or maybe fax-on-demand? ;)

sure it would be nice to separate lenya from cocoon some way, but i fear 
cocoon is really hard to install from scratch when you need to put a 
third party package into it (i once tried it to deploy eXist inside it, 
and failed horribly). so i think our integration is really a huge 
benefit, and lowers the entrance barrier significantly. people are 
downloading 90 megs of openoffice without blinking, and here we are 
talking about a heavyweight server application.

while we're talking about distribution, did i say before i see no real 
reason to provide binaries? imho, users should compile the stuff 
themselves.
imho we should also encourage users to track svn (the 2.0 branch) rather 
than download packages. others have brought forth convincing arguments 
that packages are a must, and i agree.
but i think serious users should prefer svn for easier deployment of 
bugfixes and patches (and a way to safely downgrade if necessary), and 
we should mention that in our release notes. wdyt?



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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:07 +0100, Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
> Good morning
> 
> Am 15.11.2007 um 22:40 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> 
> > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> >> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11  
> >>> release can
> >>> be read at:
> >>> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon- 
> >>> version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html
> >>
> >> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
> >>
> >> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?
> >
> > No.
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc- 
> > rc1.html?revision=595467
> >
> > That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #
> >
> > We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).
> >
> 
> With a 2.1.11 release perspective in december, I think using a svn- 
> version for RC1 / 2... (595020) makes sense.
> 
> WDYT?

Yeah, I agree.

Anyway I thought about the whole cocoon stuff a bit and asked myself
whether it makes sense to ship WITHOUT cocoon. We only recommend a
certain version/revision number.

Meaning the user would have to grep a version of cocoon himself. Would
certainly slim down the release (~100mb!).

Wdyt?

salu2

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Good morning

Am 15.11.2007 um 22:40 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:

> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11  
>>> release can
>>> be read at:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon- 
>>> version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html
>>
>> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
>>
>> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?
>
> No.
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc- 
> rc1.html?revision=595467
>
> That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #
>
> We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).
>

With a 2.1.11 release perspective in december, I think using a svn- 
version for RC1 / 2... (595020) makes sense.

WDYT?

Jürgen


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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 16:26 +0100, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> > Hi
> > 
> > The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11 release can 
> > be read at:
> > http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html 
> 
> A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.
> 
> Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?

No.
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lenya/meetings/release-2.0/lenya-irc-rc1.html?revision=595467

That is the reason why Jürgen started the thread on cocoon. #

We need to decide this ASAP (before the next RC).

salu2

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Re: cocoon-version for a 2.0-release

Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Hi
> 
> The (just started) discussion about a possible cocoon 2.1.11 release can 
> be read at:
> http://www.nabble.com/lenya-2.0-release-preparation---cocoon-version-dependency-%282.1.11-%29-tf4807717.html 

A Cocoon 2.1.11 release in December would be great for 2.0.

Did we already decide which version to use for 2.0 RC1?

-- Andreas


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