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ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Hi all,
I hope everyone is doing well. I am mailing you all to raise awareness to an issue that I have encountered whilst translating strings on the Apache Translate Pootle Service. So whilst I’m translating, I decided to fiddle around with the website a little and came across an issue that occurs not only in the Arabic translation section, but for all other languages such as French, German, Italian and so on. Take a look at the picture below and be aware of where my cursor is pointing at...
[cid:image001.png@01D39AF7.62347140]
So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google translate page, or maybe a mini-window on the current webpage I’m on, or at the very least, automatically translate the English string to Arabic based on Google translation. None of that happens, though, and instead I receive an error message at the bottom of the webpage saying “Google Translate Error. The request is missing a valid API key”.
[cid:image005.png@01D39AF7.62347140]
I hope this makes sense to you all and am looking to hearing back from the relevant individual/s on a solution to this issue, as the existence of that button is there to work, and not be out of order. I would also like to express my interest in potentially helping you out with fixing this and other related problems as I am a sufficiently experienced coder too and not only a translator 😊
Thanks again everyone and I wish you all the best.
Regards,
Ahmad
RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
I agree that removing it shouldn’t be a significant focus, but my job as a contributor to the OpenOffice project, and Pootle, is not only to translate, but to report bugs too, and I believe this is a non-functioning button, thus it shall be classified as a ‘Bug’. Also, I do not think there should me immense focus on its removal, as we can ALL agree if there is something that is non-functioning, and that will never be functioning due to it being a paid service, then why not remove it and help the UI of Pootle improve in this sense. Removing it should not take hours or days of someone’s time, and thus should be a straightforward process.
Regards,
Ahmad
From: Marcus<ma...@wtnet.de>
Sent: 07 February 2018 23:26
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Am 08.02.2018 um 00:15 schrieb Ahmad Alawsie:
> Yes absolutely, that would make the UI so much more cleaner so translators do not get confused as to why a non-functioning button exists.
as this is the first time - since many years of using Pootle - somebody
has noticed/mentioned the button and is claiming of its non-function, I
don't now if this is really a value add when we focus on its removal.
Maybe we should go back and concentrate on using the Pootle software:
with translations. ;-)
Marcus
> From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: 07 February 2018 18:38
> To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
>
> On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
>> Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point
>
> OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll
> look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators
> are not confused.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 08.02.2018 um 00:15 schrieb Ahmad Alawsie:
> Yes absolutely, that would make the UI so much more cleaner so translators do not get confused as to why a non-functioning button exists.
as this is the first time - since many years of using Pootle - somebody
has noticed/mentioned the button and is claiming of its non-function, I
don't now if this is really a value add when we focus on its removal.
Maybe we should go back and concentrate on using the Pootle software:
with translations. ;-)
Marcus
> From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: 07 February 2018 18:38
> To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
>
> On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
>> Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point
>
> OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll
> look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators
> are not confused.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Yes absolutely, that would make the UI so much more cleaner so translators do not get confused as to why a non-functioning button exists.
From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 07 February 2018 18:38
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point
OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll
look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators
are not confused.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 06/02/2018 Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point
OK thanks. It's displayed since Pootle by default displays it, but I'll
look if it can be removed from the user interface so that translators
are not confused.
Regards,
Andrea.
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RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Hi Andrea and all,
Since the Google translate is a paid service, then I really do not see a point in the button being displayed on the webpage, and perhaps it is a good idea to remove it for those reasons. If there’s no use of a feature, then there’s no purpose for its existence.
Regards
Ahmad A
From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 02 February 2018 23:52
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> I have no issue with Google translate and would actually like this shortcut button to function.
The Pootle documentation
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.7.2/features/machine_translation.html
states this is a paid service, with fees listed at
https://cloud.google.com/translate/pricing
The fact that it is a paid service complicates things a lot. Not much
for the amount (it's 20$ per million characters; still, it would be a
large amount if you consider all strings and all languages), but for the
paperwork needed for the ASF to an expenditure "per use" of this kind.
I mean: for a free service we would only have the technical issue, for a
paid service this becomes very complex to handle.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> I have no issue with Google translate and would actually like this shortcut button to function.
The Pootle documentation
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.7.2/features/machine_translation.html
states this is a paid service, with fees listed at
https://cloud.google.com/translate/pricing
The fact that it is a paid service complicates things a lot. Not much
for the amount (it's 20$ per million characters; still, it would be a
large amount if you consider all strings and all languages), but for the
paperwork needed for the ASF to an expenditure "per use" of this kind.
I mean: for a free service we would only have the technical issue, for a
paid service this becomes very complex to handle.
Regards,
Andrea.
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RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Hi Andrea and all,
I must disagree to some extent with not recommending Google translate. Firstly, I wish to state that I do not use Google Translate for entire translations, since it translates word to word, and not based on the context of the actual phrase. However, I do believe it is useful in the sense that it gives a word and other alternatives for the translated words, and as an Arabic translator on this service, I have no issue with Google translate and would actually like this shortcut button to function. This is for the same reasons I had stated in the previous email in regards to this issue: time-efficient and is useful for word-to-word translations, which will then allow the translator to translate further, based on the context of the phrase that needs to be translated.
I hope you can understand what I am saying, and am looking forward to seeing that button actually functioning, in order to boost efficiency of translation for a translator (contributor) like myself. Thanks again and will look forward to hearing back from you.
Kind regards,
Ahmad A
From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 02 February 2018 08:32
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and
> I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google
> translate page, or maybe a mini-window
Thanks for flagging this. The Google translate option came with a Pootle
update but was never configured. We do not recommend using Google
Translate since quality is better if you don't use it (and, if your aim
is consistency, Pootle will give suggestions by itself). Do you think it
would be really useful? At the moment is is an unused new feature that
you are seeing just because of a system update. But if you feel it would
be important we can look into it.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and
> I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google
> translate page, or maybe a mini-window
Thanks for flagging this. The Google translate option came with a Pootle
update but was never configured. We do not recommend using Google
Translate since quality is better if you don't use it (and, if your aim
is consistency, Pootle will give suggestions by itself). Do you think it
would be really useful? At the moment is is an unused new feature that
you are seeing just because of a system update. But if you feel it would
be important we can look into it.
Regards,
Andrea.
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RE: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Hi all,
My apologies for the error in the email where the pictures I have inserted into the mail do not display. So I have now attached a word document file where the pictures are there to see, please take some time to see this error as this needs to be raised as an issue for the relevant team/individuals to work on and fix. In my opinion, this feature may prove to be vital to the translation progress of not only Arabic, but all languages, because I feel it will make everyone’s translation work more time-efficient and easier rather than using two window tabs to navigate between the Apache Translation Pootle Service webpage, and Google Translate webpage. Please (relevant individuals) do get back to me to discuss ideas on how this case can be moved forward.
Thanks again everyone.
Kind regards,
Ahmad A
From: Ahmad Alawsie<ma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 01 February 2018 00:55
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: ENCOUNTERED A UNWORKING BUTTON - IMPORTANT
Hi all,
I hope everyone is doing well. I am mailing you all to raise awareness to an issue that I have encountered whilst translating strings on the Apache Translate Pootle Service. So whilst I’m translating, I decided to fiddle around with the website a little and came across an issue that occurs not only in the Arabic translation section, but for all other languages such as French, German, Italian and so on. Take a look at the picture below and be aware of where my cursor is pointing at...
[cid:image001.png@01D39AF7.62347140]
So I am attempting to click the “Google translate (EN->AR) button”, and I expect it to either open a new window directing me to the google translate page, or maybe a mini-window on the current webpage I’m on, or at the very least, automatically translate the English string to Arabic based on Google translation. None of that happens, though, and instead I receive an error message at the bottom of the webpage saying “Google Translate Error. The request is missing a valid API key”.
[cid:image005.png@01D39AF7.62347140]
I hope this makes sense to you all and am looking to hearing back from the relevant individual/s on a solution to this issue, as the existence of that button is there to work, and not be out of order. I would also like to express my interest in potentially helping you out with fixing this and other related problems as I am a sufficiently experienced coder too and not only a translator 😊
Thanks again everyone and I wish you all the best.
Regards,
Ahmad
RE: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Based on the comment I got on the link: https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6800 ..... it is clear that with the current Pootle version implemented on OpenOffice being outdated in comparison to the latest one, these issues will be closed by the Pootle team, since the latest version Pootle has configured fixes for this issue and many other issues. This further reinforces and fuels the need for an upgrade of the current Pootle version on OpenOffice.
Regards,
Ahmad A
From: Ahmad Alawsie<ma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: 08 February 2018 22:55
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: RE: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Andrea,
I have raised this suggestion on GitHub, and will follow it up via a link here: https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6800.
Regards,
Ahmad A
From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 02 February 2018 08:36
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> discuss an idea that I have for the Apache translate Pootle service website.
Our website is a standard installation of Pootle. Pootle is free and
open-source, but it is not managed by the Apache Software Foundation.
This means that for Pootle bugs (or enhancements like this one) you will
have to go to the Pootle website and open issues there. From time to
time we will update our installation of Pootle and thus get the new
features/bugfixes.
Of course, it is still useful and good if, after posting to the Pootle
website, you send a link here so that we can follow the issue.
Regards,
Andrea.
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RE: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Andrea,
I have raised this suggestion on GitHub, and will follow it up via a link here: https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6800.
Regards,
Ahmad A
From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 02 February 2018 08:36
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> discuss an idea that I have for the Apache translate Pootle service website.
Our website is a standard installation of Pootle. Pootle is free and
open-source, but it is not managed by the Apache Software Foundation.
This means that for Pootle bugs (or enhancements like this one) you will
have to go to the Pootle website and open issues there. From time to
time we will update our installation of Pootle and thus get the new
features/bugfixes.
Of course, it is still useful and good if, after posting to the Pootle
website, you send a link here so that we can follow the issue.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> how do I actually suggest on the Pootle website?
The Pootle website is http://pootle.translatehouse.org/
The issue queue is here:
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues
The latter is the place where one can report Pootle bugs or suggest
enhancements. You will need a (free) Github account for that.
Regards,
Andrea.
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RE: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Hi Andrea and all,
I know I am emailing quite a lot and hope it is not an issue to you and everyone else on this mailing list. I understand now about the suggestion I offered, but how do I actually suggest on the Pootle website? Can you offer me some guidance to this, and provide me a link too, to make it a little easier to understand this process. Thanks again, and I hope to hear from you soon.
Kind regards,
Ahmad A
From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 02 February 2018 08:36
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> discuss an idea that I have for the Apache translate Pootle service website.
Our website is a standard installation of Pootle. Pootle is free and
open-source, but it is not managed by the Apache Software Foundation.
This means that for Pootle bugs (or enhancements like this one) you will
have to go to the Pootle website and open issues there. From time to
time we will update our installation of Pootle and thus get the new
features/bugfixes.
Of course, it is still useful and good if, after posting to the Pootle
website, you send a link here so that we can follow the issue.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> discuss an idea that I have for the Apache translate Pootle service website.
Our website is a standard installation of Pootle. Pootle is free and
open-source, but it is not managed by the Apache Software Foundation.
This means that for Pootle bugs (or enhancements like this one) you will
have to go to the Pootle website and open issues there. From time to
time we will update our installation of Pootle and thus get the new
features/bugfixes.
Of course, it is still useful and good if, after posting to the Pootle
website, you send a link here so that we can follow the issue.
Regards,
Andrea.
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SUGGESTION FOR THE TRANSLATION SERVICE
Posted by Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>.
Hi all,
I want to email everyone here to discuss an idea that I have for the Apache translate Pootle service website. Firstly, for those of you who have translated to any language of your preference using this service, you may or may not know what I am about to say.
Basically, when there is a suggestion on a word that is untranslated, or is translated and perhaps “needs work”, if I accept or reject the last suggestion, the webpage will automatically skip to the next word, even if the current word has not been translated. This is quite annoying, as I do not want it to skip to the next word, and then I have to navigate back to the word I was on, in order to finish, either fixing up an error/s, or translating the word since it is incomplete. Please, if the relevant individual/s can get back to me, so I can discuss with you in further details (if required), on how the system should respond in the case of a user accepting/rejecting suggestions once there is no more suggestions left for the current word.
Thanks again everyone.
Kind regards,
Ahmad A