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cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

cheche      2003/09/10 13:21:45

  Modified:    src/resources/conf forrest.xmap sitemap.xmap
               src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs
                        site.xml
  Added:       legal    LICENSE.jdtcore
               lib/core jdtcore-2.1.0.jar
               src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/samples
                        xsp-sample.xsp
               src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl
  Log:
  Added support for xsp
  PR: FOR-56
  
  Revision  Changes    Path
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  1.1                  xml-forrest/lib/core/jdtcore-2.1.0.jar
  
  	<<Binary file>>
  
  
  1.31      +9 -2      xml-forrest/src/resources/conf/forrest.xmap
  
  Index: forrest.xmap
  ===================================================================
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-forrest/src/resources/conf/forrest.xmap,v
  retrieving revision 1.30
  retrieving revision 1.31
  diff -u -r1.30 -r1.31
  --- forrest.xmap	9 Sep 2003 20:35:20 -0000	1.30
  +++ forrest.xmap	10 Sep 2003 20:21:45 -0000	1.31
  @@ -215,7 +215,14 @@
                 <map:serialize type="xml-document"/>
               </map:match>
             </map:when>
  -
  +          
  +	  <map:when test="content/xdocs/{1}.xsp">
  +            <map:match type="regexp" pattern="^(.*?)([^/]*).xml$">
  +              <map:generate type="serverpages" src="content/xdocs/{1}{2}.xsp" />
  +              <map:transform src="resources/stylesheets/page2document.xsl" />
  +              <map:serialize type="xml-document"/>
  +            </map:match>
  +          </map:when>
             <map:otherwise>
               <map:generate src="content/xdocs/{1}.xml" />
               <map:call resource="transform-to-document">
  
  
  
  1.118     +2 -1      xml-forrest/src/resources/conf/sitemap.xmap
  
  Index: sitemap.xmap
  ===================================================================
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-forrest/src/resources/conf/sitemap.xmap,v
  retrieving revision 1.117
  retrieving revision 1.118
  diff -u -r1.117 -r1.118
  --- sitemap.xmap	7 Sep 2003 05:08:43 -0000	1.117
  +++ sitemap.xmap	10 Sep 2003 20:21:45 -0000	1.118
  @@ -12,6 +12,7 @@
     <map:components>
       <map:generators default="file">
         <map:generator name="file"      src="org.apache.cocoon.generation.FileGenerator" />
  +      <map:generator name="serverpages" src="org.apache.cocoon.generation.ServerPagesGenerator"/>
         <!--
         <map:generator name="html"      src="org.apache.cocoon.generation.HTMLGenerator">
           <jtidy-config>jtidy.properties</jtidy-config>
  
  
  
  1.21      +1 -0      xml-forrest/src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/site.xml
  
  Index: site.xml
  ===================================================================
  RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-forrest/src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/site.xml,v
  retrieving revision 1.20
  retrieving revision 1.21
  diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21
  --- site.xml	9 Sep 2003 20:41:48 -0000	1.20
  +++ site.xml	10 Sep 2003 20:21:45 -0000	1.21
  @@ -39,6 +39,7 @@
       <faq label="FAQ" href="faq.html" description="Frequently Asked Questions" />
       <sdocbook label="Simplifed Docbook page" href="sdocbook.html" 
         description="Simplified DocBook title" />
  +    <xsp label="XSP page" href="xsp-sample.html" description="XSP title" />
       <subdir label="Subdir" href="subdir/">
         <index label="Index" href="index.html" 
           description="Page generated from a subdirectory"/>
  
  
  
  1.1                  xml-forrest/src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/samples/xsp-sample.xsp
  
  Index: xsp-sample.xsp
  ===================================================================
  <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
  
  <!-- CVS $Id: xsp-sample.xsp,v 1.1 2003/09/10 20:21:45 cheche Exp $ -->
  
  <xsp:page language="java"
            xmlns:xsp="http://apache.org/xsp">
  
    <page>
      <title>Hello</title>
      <content>
        <para>This is my first Cocoon page within Forrest!</para>
  
        <xsp:element name="para">
          With the help of XSP and 
          <xsp:expr>Constants.COMPLETE_NAME</xsp:expr>
        </xsp:element>
      </content>
    </page>
  
  </xsp:page>
  
  
  
  1.1                  xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets/page2document.xsl
  
  Index: page2document.xsl
  ===================================================================
  <?xml version="1.0"?>
  
  <!--+
      | Transforms ServerPages Generator output to document format.
      |
      | CVS $Id: page2document.xsl,v 1.1 2003/09/10 20:21:45 cheche Exp $
      +-->
  
  <xsl:stylesheet version="1.0"
                  xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform">
  
    <xsl:import href="copyover.xsl"/>
  
    <xsl:template match="page">
      <document>
      <xsl:apply-templates />
      </document>
    </xsl:template>
    
    <xsl:template match="title">
      <header>
      <title><xsl:value-of select="." /></title>
      </header>
    </xsl:template>
    
    <xsl:template match="content">
      <body>
      <xsl:apply-templates />
      </body>
    </xsl:template>
    
    <xsl:template match="para">
      <p>
      <xsl:apply-templates />
      </p>
    </xsl:template>
   
  </xsl:stylesheet>
  
  
  

Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
David Crossley wrote:
> Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> 
>>David Crossley wrote:
>>
>>>+1 to SVG as it currently is. I do not want to have Forrest CVS
>>>get top-heavy with other add-ins. The wiki document 
>>>http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=AddingXSPToForrest
>>>describes how to do it. Yes let us wait for "real blocks" to get
>>>automated plugins.
>>
>>That document is obsolete you do not need to do all these steps to get 
>>xsp support within forrest.
> 
> 
> Oh sorry, well then could someone who knows about it add a warning
> to it please.
> 
> --David

Done it. I am not surre if that is enough.


Cheers,
cheche


Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > 
> > +1 to SVG as it currently is. I do not want to have Forrest CVS
> > get top-heavy with other add-ins. The wiki document 
> > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=AddingXSPToForrest
> > describes how to do it. Yes let us wait for "real blocks" to get
> > automated plugins.
> 
> That document is obsolete you do not need to do all these steps to get 
> xsp support within forrest.

Oh sorry, well then could someone who knows about it add a warning
to it please.

--David


Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
David Crossley wrote:
> 
> +1 to SVG as it currently is. I do not want to have Forrest CVS
> get top-heavy with other add-ins. The wiki document 
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=AddingXSPToForrest
> describes how to do it. Yes let us wait for "real blocks" to get
> automated plugins.

That document is obsolete you do not need to do all these steps to get 
xsp support within forrest.



Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> ...
> > The issue here is that we have two identical technologies one is added 
> > by default and the other is not.
> 
> The issue here is that you two are not communicating ;-P
> 
> You are at a point where you both keep saying the same things over and 
> over and understand what the other says but still have the same opinion.
> 
> Let's try and get over this a bit faster, maybe a VOTE?
> 
> Well, my vote goes to keeping SVG as default and adding xsp as an extra 
> download, or in alternative have both in CVS. I'll wait for real blocks 
> support to have a real autodownload of functionality.

Nicely said, Nicola Ken. I was trying to come up with some words to
break the impasse, but you have said it well.

The SVG stuff has been in Forrest since early days, so it is not fair
to compare its situation with the new request to add XSP support.

+1 to SVG as it currently is. I do not want to have Forrest CVS
get top-heavy with other add-ins. The wiki document 
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=AddingXSPToForrest
describes how to do it. Yes let us wait for "real blocks" to get
automated plugins.

--David




Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
...
> The issue here is that we have two identical technologies one is added 
> by default and the other is not.

The issue here is that you two are not communicating ;-P

You are at a point where you both keep saying the same things over and 
over and understand what the other says but still have the same opinion.

Let's try and get over this a bit faster, maybe a VOTE?

Well, my vote goes to keeping SVG as default and adding xsp as an extra 
download, or in alternative have both in CVS. I'll wait for real blocks 
support to have a real autodownload of functionality.

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------



Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
>><target name="seed" depends="get-svg, get-xsp, ...">
> 
> 
> 'cvs rm -f xsp-sample.xsp' will instantly solve that problem with no loss
> of functionality.
> 

cvs add group.png project.png will allow nice images to be displayed 
with an increase of performance :-)

> 
> Give up! ;)  We're not going to remove SVG from fresh-site because
> generating a logo from skinconf.xml is cool and maybe even useful.

I have not enough e-paper to write down all the cool features and useful 
things that XSP provides.

>
> Besides which, we couldn't remove built-in SVG support because it would
> break backwards-compat with all sites expecting it.  The issue is XSP
> support.
> 
> 

For those sites that expecting SVG support, there is a lovely ant task 
waiting for them:

if ${project.home}/src/documentation/resources/images/*.svg
then
target="get-svg"

<-- This point has not got enought ground but I thought about it

We have not release yet ( unless you do it only for the sake of wining 
an argument) so there is not need to keep backwards compatibility.

-->


The issue here is that we have two identical technologies one is added 
by default and the other is not.


Cheers,
Cheche


Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:04:50AM +0200, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
> >
> >Okay, so we _could_ add a task:
> >
> ><target name="get-svg">
> >  <get ... />
> ></target>
> >
> 
> Hey!, we are getting closer! :-)
> 
> >And then because the seed target uses SVG, we'd need to make a
> >dependency:
> >
> ><target name="seed" depends="get-svg, ...">
> >
> 
> Same as xsp, there is a xsp-sample.xsp so it has to be:
> 
> <target name="seed" depends="get-svg, get-xsp, ...">

'cvs rm -f xsp-sample.xsp' will instantly solve that problem with no loss
of functionality.

> >Of course the same offline/proxy issues affect a get-xsp target, but
> >given the number of Forrest users wanting XSP, this is a tiny cost
> >compared to that of increasing the Forrest download by 2.4Mb for
> >everyone.
> >
> >--Jeff
> 
> Unless xsp or svg are not added by default in the seed example, then 
> there is not dependency.

Give up! ;)  We're not going to remove SVG from fresh-site because
generating a logo from skinconf.xml is cool and maybe even useful.
Besides which, we couldn't remove built-in SVG support because it would
break backwards-compat with all sites expecting it.  The issue is XSP
support.


--Jeff

> These examples can be added when users run get-svg or get-xsp doing this 
> we decrease 4.4Mb download for everyone.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Cheche
> 

Re: XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> 
> Okay, so we _could_ add a task:
> 
> <target name="get-svg">
>   <get ... />
> </target>
> 

Hey!, we are getting closer! :-)

> And then because the seed target uses SVG, we'd need to make a
> dependency:
> 
> <target name="seed" depends="get-svg, ...">
> 

Same as xsp, there is a xsp-sample.xsp so it has to be:

<target name="seed" depends="get-svg, get-xsp, ...">

> Of course the same offline/proxy issues affect a get-xsp target, but
> given the number of Forrest users wanting XSP, this is a tiny cost
> compared to that of increasing the Forrest download by 2.4Mb for
> everyone.
> 
> --Jeff

Unless xsp or svg are not added by default in the seed example, then 
there is not dependency.
These examples can be added when users run get-svg or get-xsp doing this 
we decrease 4.4Mb download for everyone.


Cheers,
Cheche


XSP vs SVG (Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl)

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 04:04:51PM +0200, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> We are comparing two cases SVG and XSP, if you feel that we need to run 
> an Ant task then let's do it. But for both technologies as they are 
> equivalent cases:
> 
> SVG support
> ===========
> batik-1.5b4-fop.jar 2068 Kb
> works with static content.
> Low usage
> 
> XSP support
> ===========
> jdtcore-2.1.0.jar 2408 Kb
> works with static content.
> Requested by users.
> 
> 
> So same reasons you apply for a "get-xsp" ant task I applied for 
> "get-svg" ant task.

Okay, so we _could_ add a task:

<target name="get-svg">
  <get ... />
</target>

And then because the seed target uses SVG, we'd need to make a
dependency:

<target name="seed" depends="get-svg, ...">

And since 'forrest seed' is the first thing we recommend that new users
do, almost everyone will end up running get-svg, and a significant
proportion will be unable to use Forrest because they are offline or have
proxy problems.  Great.

Of course the same offline/proxy issues affect a get-xsp target, but
given the number of Forrest users wanting XSP, this is a tiny cost
compared to that of increasing the Forrest download by 2.4Mb for
everyone.

--Jeff

> Cheers,
> cheche
> 

Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
>>
>>There is not mention on the archives of such a request.
> 
> 
> Jason Lane was trying to use XMLForm.
> 

But that is not a request.

>>So, for someone like me that does not use svg. should be have a 
>>./build.sh get-svg as well?
> 
> 
> You've used SVG before, because you've built the seed site before.  And
> you're avoiding the question ;P
> 

funny, you forgot as well to reply to my question.

No, I am not using SVG on my sites, for the skins I created I used png 
files.

The fresh-site example for forrest use it, I fixed a couple of issues, 
but I am not using that technology somewhere else.

>>I do not know if it is a real world example but I am looking to access a 
>>database for specifict data and get a PDF with that.
> 
> 
> Depends on whether you want to website to reflect what's currently in the
> database.  It's a fair use-case for XSP, but also irrelevant to the
> question of why XSP users can't run an Ant task.
> 

We are comparing two cases SVG and XSP, if you feel that we need to run 
an Ant task then let's do it. But for both technologies as they are 
equivalent cases:

SVG support
===========
batik-1.5b4-fop.jar 2068 Kb
works with static content.
Low usage

XSP support
===========
jdtcore-2.1.0.jar 2408 Kb
works with static content.
Requested by users.


So same reasons you apply for a "get-xsp" ant task I applied for 
"get-svg" ant task.

I am not against SVG, I think that we need it, but all your reasons can 
be applied to SVG, and SVG is distributed by default, so why XSP can not?

Cheers,
cheche


Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 01:08:39PM +0200, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
> >On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:57:10AM +0200, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> >>I added XSP because it was requested not because of its size.
> >
> >
> >XForms was also requested, but (I hope) we're not going to include that.
> 
> There is not mention on the archives of such a request.

Jason Lane was trying to use XMLForm.

> >Why can't the handful of users wanting XSP just run './build.sh get-xsp'
> >and save everyone else the download?
> >
> 
> So, for someone like me that does not use svg. should be have a 
> ./build.sh get-svg as well?

You've used SVG before, because you've built the seed site before.  And
you're avoiding the question ;P

> >>Are you saying that XSP is not useful for static sites?.
> >
> >
> >I haven't seen any real-world use-cases for wanting XSP-generated static
> >HTML in Forrest.
> 
> 
> I do not know if it is a real world example but I am looking to access a 
> database for specifict data and get a PDF with that.

Depends on whether you want to website to reflect what's currently in the
database.  It's a fair use-case for XSP, but also irrelevant to the
question of why XSP users can't run an Ant task.


--Jeff

> Cheers,
> Cheche
> 
> 

Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:57:10AM +0200, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
>>I added XSP because it was requested not because of its size.
> 
> 
> XForms was also requested, but (I hope) we're not going to include that.

There is not mention on the archives of such a request.


> Why can't the handful of users wanting XSP just run './build.sh get-xsp'
> and save everyone else the download?
> 

So, for someone like me that does not use svg. should be have a 
./build.sh get-svg as well?

>>Are you saying that XSP is not useful for static sites?.
> 
> 
> I haven't seen any real-world use-cases for wanting XSP-generated static
> HTML in Forrest.


I do not know if it is a real world example but I am looking to access a 
database for specifict data and get a PDF with that.


Cheers,
Cheche



Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:57:10AM +0200, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
> >Most things in Cocoon are under 2Mb, but that is no reason to go adding
> >them to Forrest.  Unlike XSP, SVG is useful for all sites, not just
> >dynamic ones, and is used in our seed webapp.
> >
> 
> I added XSP because it was requested not because of its size.

XForms was also requested, but (I hope) we're not going to include that.
Why can't the handful of users wanting XSP just run './build.sh get-xsp'
and save everyone else the download?

> I have not added the midi block because is small, have I?

Well if <bgsound> hadn't traumatised a generation of web users, perhaps
we could include it ;)  It works in a static site and has no external
dependencies.

> Are you saying that XSP is not useful for static sites?.

I haven't seen any real-world use-cases for wanting XSP-generated static
HTML in Forrest.


--Jeff

> There is a "static" example already that we use in our seed webapp 
> (fresh-site).
> 
> Cheers,
> Cheche
> 

Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> Most things in Cocoon are under 2Mb, but that is no reason to go adding
> them to Forrest.  Unlike XSP, SVG is useful for all sites, not just
> dynamic ones, and is used in our seed webapp.
> 

I added XSP because it was requested not because of its size.  I have 
not added the midi block because is small, have I?

Are you saying that XSP is not useful for static sites?.

There is a "static" example already that we use in our seed webapp 
(fresh-site).

Cheers,
Cheche


Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 02:16:32AM +0200, Juan Jose Pablos wrote:
> Jeff Turner wrote:
> >
> >Couldn't we rather have an Ant task that fetches jdtcore.jar? 95% of
> >Forrest users don't need XSP, so adding 2.3mb to the download is a high
> >price to pay.
> >
> >--Jeff
> 
> 
> I agreee that we should try to reduce the download.
> 
> I have to admit that I looked it before I commit jdtcore, I added to our 
> cvs because I saw another library around same size.
> 
> Batik library is around 2Mb as well, so we have exactly the same issue. 
> So do not you think that there is a hih price to pay for converting svg 
> to jpg and png already?.

Most things in Cocoon are under 2Mb, but that is no reason to go adding
them to Forrest.  Unlike XSP, SVG is useful for all sites, not just
dynamic ones, and is used in our seed webapp.


--Jeff

> Anyway I am open to other options.
> 
> Cheers,
> Cheche
> 
> 

Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Jeff Turner wrote:
> 
> Couldn't we rather have an Ant task that fetches jdtcore.jar? 95% of
> Forrest users don't need XSP, so adding 2.3mb to the download is a high
> price to pay.
> 
> --Jeff


I agreee that we should try to reduce the download.

I have to admit that I looked it before I commit jdtcore, I added to our 
cvs because I saw another library around same size.

Batik library is around 2Mb as well, so we have exactly the same issue. 
So do not you think that there is a hih price to pay for converting svg 
to jpg and png already?.

Anyway I am open to other options.

Cheers,
Cheche



Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net>.
Jeff Turner wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 08:21:45PM -0000, cheche@apache.org wrote:
> 
>>cheche      2003/09/10 13:21:45
>>
>>  Modified:    src/resources/conf forrest.xmap sitemap.xmap
>>               src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs
>>                        site.xml
>>  Added:       legal    LICENSE.jdtcore
>>               lib/core jdtcore-2.1.0.jar
> 
> 
> Couldn't we rather have an Ant task that fetches jdtcore.jar? 95% of
> Forrest users don't need XSP, so adding 2.3mb to the download is a high
> price to pay.

Have you considered pizza yet? It's waaaay smaller, and has just couple 
of known issues (it is file based; and some other issue). Should be more 
than enough for light jsp usage.

Vadim



Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Dave Brondsema wrote:
...
> What I am a suggesting would be to use maven to build
> forrest.  I haven't used maven too much either, so I don't know how much work
> this would be or if we would even want to do it.

We use Ant to run Forrest itself, so Maven doesn't make much sense anyway.

If we want to use a central repository there is Krysalis Ruper, or 
simply an Ant <get>.

[My comments are baised, as I am the initial author of Krysalis 
Centipede www.krysalis.org/centipede ;-)]

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Dave Brondsema <da...@brondsema.net>.
Quoting Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>:

> Dave Brondsema wrote:
>   Have you considered using maven for builds?  It will download all the 
> latest
> > dependency jars from a central repository.  Not sure how it handles
> optional 
> > dependencies.
> > 
> 
> I do not know much about Maven, is this related to this issue?:
> 
> http://issues.cocoondev.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=FOR-55
> 
> 

Sort of opposites.  AFAICT, that issue is to allow maven projects to build their
forrest site as part of the build process.  In other words, a forrest plugin for
the maven project.  What I am a suggesting would be to use maven to build
forrest.  I haven't used maven too much either, so I don't know how much work
this would be or if we would even want to do it.

-- 
Dave Brondsema
dave@brondsema.net
http://www.brondsema.net - personal
http://www.splike.com - programming

Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Juan Jose Pablos <ch...@che-che.com>.
Dave Brondsema wrote:
  Have you considered using maven for builds?  It will download all the 
latest
> dependency jars from a central repository.  Not sure how it handles optional 
> dependencies.
> 

I do not know much about Maven, is this related to this issue?:

http://issues.cocoondev.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=FOR-55


Cheers,
Cheche


Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Dave Brondsema <da...@brondsema.net>.
Quoting Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>:

> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 08:21:45PM -0000, cheche@apache.org wrote:
> > cheche      2003/09/10 13:21:45
> > 
> >   Modified:    src/resources/conf forrest.xmap sitemap.xmap
> >                src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs
> >                         site.xml
> >   Added:       legal    LICENSE.jdtcore
> >                lib/core jdtcore-2.1.0.jar
> 
> Couldn't we rather have an Ant task that fetches jdtcore.jar? 95% of
> Forrest users don't need XSP, so adding 2.3mb to the download is a high
> price to pay.
> 
> --Jeff
> 

Have you considered using maven for builds?  It will download all the latest 
dependency jars from a central repository.  Not sure how it handles optional 
dependencies.

-- 
Dave Brondsema
dave@brondsema.net
http://www.brondsema.net - personal
http://www.splike.com - programming

Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/resources/stylesheets page2document.xsl

Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 08:21:45PM -0000, cheche@apache.org wrote:
> cheche      2003/09/10 13:21:45
> 
>   Modified:    src/resources/conf forrest.xmap sitemap.xmap
>                src/resources/fresh-site/src/documentation/content/xdocs
>                         site.xml
>   Added:       legal    LICENSE.jdtcore
>                lib/core jdtcore-2.1.0.jar

Couldn't we rather have an Ant task that fetches jdtcore.jar? 95% of
Forrest users don't need XSP, so adding 2.3mb to the download is a high
price to pay.

--Jeff