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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org> on 2000/12/09 23:00:49 UTC
Re: Internationalization
Hi Conny
Could you please post the proposal to this list, too.
Thakns
Giacomo
Conny Krappatsch wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> we are about to develop some internationalization 'tool' for cocoon.
> You can take this mail as a proposal and every comment is very welcome.
>
> With internationalization I meen marking character data in an XML file for
> translation into different languages.
>
> The requirements are:
> 1. a very short syntax: internationalization shouldn't require much additional
> writing (the translation itself requires some additional work, of course).
> 2. Flexible handling of dynamicly generated content: Replacing a static text
> by a corresponding translated text is easy. But if the text contains dynamic
> content, that content may have different order in different languages (example
> below).
> 3. Support multiple languages by some sort of runtime passed parameter
>
> The markup could look like the following:
>
> <tr>this text will be translated</tr>
>
> [<tr> stands for 'translate'; I ommitted any namespace info]
>
> The text between the <tr> tags will be taken as key in a translation table.
> For a given number of documents the keys of this table can be created
> automatically by searching the documents for the <tr> tags.
>
> Some character data may contain dynamically created content which itself can
> have different order (within the localized text) in different languages. Here's
> an example (dynamic content in curly brackets}:
> In english one would say: We are a {team} of {4}.
> In german you say: Wir sind ein {4}er-{team}.
>
> [It's a silly example, I know. Everyone understanding what I mean, is free to
> provide a better one.]
>
> The example shows, that we need some sort of parameters:
> <tr>
> <text>We are a $1 of $2.</text>
> <param>dynamic_content_generation_for_the_first_parameter</param>
> <param>dynamic_content_generation_for_the_second_parameter</param>
> </tr>
>
> The characters between <text> tags are the key in the translation table. The
> replacement text must contain the same number of parameter references ($1, $2)
> like the key, but the order of the references can be different (i.e. $2 before
> $1).
>
> So the internationalization tool has to perform the following actions (for a
> given XML document):
>
> 1. Find the tags belonging to it's grammar (using namespaces)
> 2. Determine the target language
> 3. Find the given key in the translation table and replace it with the
> appropriate target language text.
> 4. replace parameter references with the given parameter values.
>
> Our intention is to write a processor (resp. a transformer for C2) which does
> the job.
> The target language could be passed by parameter to the processor/transformer.
>
> Does this sound reasonable? Did we overlook something? Or is anybody doing
> something similar (maybe with a different approach)?
>
> regards,
> Conny
>
> (I'm not native english speaker. If something sounds odd, don't hesitate to
> correct me.)
>
> --
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Conny Krappatsch mailto:conny@smb-tec.com
> SMB GmbH http://www.smb-tec.com
RE: Internationalization
Posted by Colin Britton <cb...@freefoto.com>.
I know it is rather late to throw this into this discussion and I have not
been back and read all the old posts on this subject but has anyone looked
at TMX?
<quote>The purpose of TMX is to allow easier exchange of translation memory
data between tools and/or translation vendors with little or no loss of
critical data during the process.</quote> http://www.lisa.org/tmx/
Here is an article on using TMX with Java specifically but includes some
good info http://www.lisa.org/tmx/m_itagaki.html
CB
-----Original Message-----
From: Conny Krappatsch [mailto:conny@smb-tec.com]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 6:15 AM
To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: Internationalization
On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 23:00:49 +0100
Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Conny
>
> Could you please post the proposal to this list, too.
>
> Thakns
>
> Giacomo
>
> Conny Krappatsch wrote:
Here it comes (original message by Gerd Müller):
> Hi all,
>
> I've rewised the i18n proposal again and included also the suggestions
> made by Lassi Immonen and Konstantin Piroumian. I think, the proposal
> is now almost complete. Comments are always welcome.
> Best Regards,
> Gerd
--
______________________________________________________________________
Conny Krappatsch mailto:conny@smb-tec.com
SMB GmbH http://www.smb-tec.com
Re: Internationalization
Posted by Conny Krappatsch <co...@smb-tec.com>.
On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 23:00:49 +0100
Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Conny
>
> Could you please post the proposal to this list, too.
>
> Thakns
>
> Giacomo
>
> Conny Krappatsch wrote:
Here it comes (original message by Gerd Müller):
> Hi all,
>
> I've rewised the i18n proposal again and included also the suggestions
> made by Lassi Immonen and Konstantin Piroumian. I think, the proposal
> is now almost complete. Comments are always welcome.
> Best Regards,
> Gerd
--
______________________________________________________________________
Conny Krappatsch mailto:conny@smb-tec.com
SMB GmbH http://www.smb-tec.com