[apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Tianqi Chen <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

Dear community:

This is a formal vote on [TVM unity connection technical strategy](https://github.com/apache/tvm-rfcs/pull/91). We had great discussions and feedback in the [discuss thread](https://discuss.tvm.apache.org/t/establish-tvm-unity-connection-a-technical-strategy/13344) 

Please vote

Vote:
+1
0 - I don't feel strongly about it, but don't object
-1 - because..

The VOTE will open for a week.

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Junru Shao <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

+1 (binding)

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Andrew Reusch <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

-1 (binding veto)

I agree with @leandron that Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy RFC is heavily centered around Relax RFC. Additionally, while this RFC stops short of endorsing the Relax RFC as the future direction of TVM, it very [explicitly discusses](https://github.com/apache/tvm-rfcs/blob/d06a72546b8d169da354c5796ca250baca9970e4/rfcs/0091-establish-tvm-unity-connection.md#evolving-default-build) those aspirations. Therefore I do not agree that this RFC is separate from Relax RFC and therefore do not think a VOTE thread is appropriate at this time.

I want to be clear that I am not disagreeing with the technical direction here, but that I don't believe it is yet time to VOTE. I would happily change my vote should more consensus develop in the community.

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

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+1

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Lesheng Jin <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

+1

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Matthew Barrett <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

+1

I'd love for us to have more clarity on the future of Relax and Relay, but I don't think vetoing this proposal is now progressing that goal any further. Instead, we're seeing substantial fracturing in the development community, with a number of branches and forks (including production repos) spinning up to support Relax-related efforts. This pulls mindshare and resources away from the main repo (CI/testing/fixes/documentation), ultimately to the detriment of anyone still working there.

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Ziheng Jiang <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

+1 (binding)

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[Jiawei Liu <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Andrew Reusch <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

0

Ultimately I'd prefer to get more clarity on this direction, but given we are getting that through the new `unity` branch, it makes sense to adopt this proposal as the "goal" given that progress on the unity branch will further illuminate the details.

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Christopher Sidebottom <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

0

Does this vote serve any purpose given the `unity` work is continuing regardless of the outcome?

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Tianqi Chen <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

Thank you @leandron . As per stated in the beginning, this RFC establishes a strategy to introduce an optional module to TVM, which as of now is minimally disruptive to the current infrastructure. 

We also consider it as as a separate RFC from the relax RFC it sets up the overall technical strategies. It also reflects our previous sequence of [communications](https://tvm.apache.org/2021/12/15/tvm-unity) and [discussions](https://discuss.tvm.apache.org/t/relax-co-designing-high-level-abstraction-towards-tvm-unity/12496) in the community 

I would encourage us to scope the technical reasonings to the scope of the RFC. Note that most of the strategy RFC describes the optional module state, and possible future opportunities. While I fully agree that some of the possible future actions(e.g. change of a default flow) would warrant more in-depth discussions of their own and are helpful to setup a context, they are not necessarily reasons to block the RFC that do not yet propose to make such changes. 

This being said, you are more than welcomed to bring technical comments on the [discussion thread](https://discuss.tvm.apache.org/t/establish-tvm-unity-connection-a-technical-strategy/13344) or RFC as well, so we can continue to discuss concrete items on this RFC. Having clear technical reasonings would help us to move things forward and bring consensus together. 


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+1

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+1

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Tianqi Chen <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

Thanks @areusch , the particular section that you described was explicitly listed as "future opportunities" and is not part of the RFC which may or may not be executed. As per stated in the text 

```
This section describes possible approaches to evolve the default build to leverage more of unity components. Note again that this is only a discussion of possible approach is not part of the RFC, but only to bring possible relevant context of future opportunities.
The detailed discussions about the exact approach shall happen in dedicated RFCs for each incremental change to the default build.
```



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+1

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 08:05 Yuchen Jin <no...@github.com.invalid>
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+1 (binding)

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We decided to withdraw the proposal https://github.com/apache/tvm-rfcs/pull/91#issuecomment-1693532638

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Leandro Nunes <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

-1 (binding veto)

There is overlap with what is being proposed here being a superset of what is under active discussion in the Relax RFC at https://github.com/apache/tvm-rfcs/pull/89, so I don't think that we can make an informed decision in this RFC, until the discussion in the Relax RFC are settled and we decide on whether it is accepted or not. For that decision to happen, the specific/actionable questions need to be answered.

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+1 (binding)

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Re: [apache/tvm] [VOTE] Establish TVM Unity Connection Technical Strategy (Issue #12651)

[Tianqi Chen <no...@github.com.INVALID>]

Closed #12651 as completed.

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