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ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
ajay
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Brian Richards <nc...@pobox.com>.
www.jboss.org
-brian
-----Original Message-----
From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:51 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
ajay
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Struts security
Posted by Stefan Trcko <st...@aladin-eng.si>.
Hello
I want to implement security in my struts web portal, so
that I can restrict users which actions they can perform.
Has anybody already worked on this kind of security in Struts?
Thanks in advice
Stefan
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Re: RSS and Struts
Posted by Mark Lowe <ma...@talk21.com>.
Here you go anyway, but i don't really like answering when you
obviously think the list is a short cut to doing any work and reading..
http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/site/index.html
On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 08:32 AM, Stefan Trcko wrote:
> Hello
>
> I want to put RSS channel with news from other site, on my portal.
> Portal is developed with Struts.
> Can you please tell me what is the best way for implementing RSS with
> Struts.
>
> Regards
> Stefan Trcko
>
>
>
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RSS and Struts
Posted by Stefan Trcko <st...@aladin-eng.si>.
Hello
I want to put RSS channel with news from other site, on my portal.
Portal is developed with Struts.
Can you please tell me what is the best way for implementing RSS with
Struts.
Regards
Stefan Trcko
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by "Kunal H. Parikh" <ku...@carsales.com.au>.
Hi Ajay !
Apache Tomcat does not include an EJB container.
You may want to try OpenEJB Container System (http://www.openejb.org) as
a plugin to Tomcat and deploy EJBs.
Another option would be to use JBoss(http://www.jboss.org) which
includes the EJB Container.
Kunal
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From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 11:51
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
Is there an Aussie equivalent for "hillbilly?"
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:20 AM
Nonsense!
In the same way acronyms look great on resumes, they also look just super on
product brochures. If you use EJBs you can proudly proclaim that your
application is "based on J2EE EJB technology"! This is useful for
impressing clueless manager types even if EJBs confer no actual technical
dvantage (and often many disadvantages) to what your trying to do.
btw: afaik its not just distributed stuff but also transaction type stuff
its good for (but lets face it - most dbs do enough in that regards for most
apps transaction needs already)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 19:04
If you are asking these questions, you probably should not be using EJB.
The ONLY reason to use EJB is if you are developing a distributed
application; anything else is overkill. If you simply need data
persistence, use JDBC and use DAO, or one of the persistence frameworks:
Ibatus, Hibernate, or Kodo-JDO.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:51 PM
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
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Re: Under What Circumstances Would You Recommend the Use of EJB?
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Mike Duffy wrote:
> Under what circumstances would you recommend the use of EJB?
This might help you out:
http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Is-EJB-Appropriate
If you are still undecided, you will probably want to read a book like
"Bitter EJB" to get the full picture. It is not a casual decision that
can be answered on a list like this.
No matter what you do, it's a very good idea to encapsulate the data
access behind a solid DAO layer. One that you can use "out of the box",
with or without EJB is the iBATIS DAO framework <http://ibatis.com>.
It's bundled with with SqlMap stuff, but you don't need to use SqlMaps
to use the iBATIS DAO.
The JPetstore3 example <http://www.ibatis.com/jpetstore/jpetstore.html>
shows how you can integrate the DAO framework with Struts, and also
switch back and forth between EJB and non-EJB implementations just by
changing a value in a properties file. Sweet.
HTH, Ted.
--
Ted Husted,
Junit in Action - <http://www.manning.com/massol/>,
Struts in Action - <http://husted.com/struts/book.html>,
JSP Site Design - <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1861005512>.
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Under What Circumstances Would You Recommend the Use of EJB?
Posted by Mike Duffy <md...@yahoo.com>.
Thank you Harm.
I agree with your assessment of JBoss. JBoss is also a great value (although I think they should
charge some nominal fee to insure the viability of their organization; see Alan Williamson's
August editorial in JDJ). :)
Under what circumstances would you recommend the use of EJB?
Mike
--- harm@informatiefabriek.nl wrote:
> For what it is worth, I think JBoss is great. It is a very mature
> application server.
> People who claim it's crap obiviously don't know what they are talking
> about.
> I agree, JBoss is not the only application server around, and maybe not
> the best application server.
>
> But to claim it is "crap" is definitly wrong. Especially if you don't back
> up your staments with some arguments.
>
> JBoss is great to develop on (hot deployment), it's very fast, it comes
> with 2 integrated Servlet containers (Jetty or Tomcat), a great management
> interface (jmx-console), and I could go on some more.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harm de Laat
> Informatiefabriek
> The Netherlands
>
>
>
>
> "Brian McSweeney" <br...@aurium.net>
> 10/09/2003 03:37 PM
> Please respond to
> "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>
>
> To
> "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> cc
>
> Subject
> RE: ejb's and tomcat
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
> also has little to do with entity beans.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
> Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
>
> That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
> beans.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
>
>
> Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
> creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
> hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
> you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
> Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
>
> JBoss is crap, anyway.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
>
> This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
> increases.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
> Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
>
> Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
> creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
> many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
> doing
> this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
> performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
> you
> merely adhere to the specification.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
>
> The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
>
> The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
> serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
>
> Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
> the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
>
>
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by ha...@informatiefabriek.nl.
For what it is worth, I think JBoss is great. It is a very mature
application server.
People who claim it's crap obiviously don't know what they are talking
about.
I agree, JBoss is not the only application server around, and maybe not
the best application server.
But to claim it is "crap" is definitly wrong. Especially if you don't back
up your staments with some arguments.
JBoss is great to develop on (hot deployment), it's very fast, it comes
with 2 integrated Servlet containers (Jetty or Tomcat), a great management
interface (jmx-console), and I could go on some more.
Cheers,
Harm de Laat
Informatiefabriek
The Netherlands
"Brian McSweeney" <br...@aurium.net>
10/09/2003 03:37 PM
Please respond to
"Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
To
"'Struts Users Mailing List'" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
cc
Subject
RE: ejb's and tomcat
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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[FRIDAY] Time to Cleanse the Gene Pool?
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
Anybody getting the news out of Baltimore today? A 2-day moratorium on
parking ticket fines has been granted and a mile-long line outside city hall
started at 0200 today and continues to grow. Apparently, these geniuses
didn't bother to read the entire letter they got, which explained that
mailing in the original fine postmarked before the end of the moratorium
period was sufficient.
Mark
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Brian McSweeney <br...@aurium.net>.
"the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting purposes"
Look, I just don't think that is helpful to anyone. If you are
deliberately saying stuff in order to bait people into a reaction then
IMHO this is the wrong place to do it. I also think that stating this on
the list is a valid enough place to state this. People responded to your
comment in order to advise others that they thought your assessment of
JBoss was incorrect. If it is your true assessment, fair enough, but you
refused to back it up when asked to, and replied that your comment was
just to bait people.
I'm not going to labor the point anymore. No offence meant at all, and
sorry if any was caused. I find this list exceptionally helpful and
pleasant.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 10 October 2003 11:36
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Apparently more than 20 people believed it was important enough to spark
a
discussion of the issue, so if it was a waste of your time, perhaps you
are
just too important for this list? As far as bad advice goes, most of
the
people I know in the *real* world agree with my assessment: JBoss is not
worth the trouble. In short, it's crap.
Oh yeah...and thanks for the waste of bandwidth with your useless msg;
next
time, practice what you supposedly believe and email your criticism
privately.
Marko Sharko
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Well congrats on
a) wasting other people's time
b) giving bad advice
perhaps you should consider fishing elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 10 October 2003 10:51
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Yeah, but the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting
purposes...and
apparently I caught a lot of fish... ;-P
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by ha...@informatiefabriek.nl.
"As far as bad advice goes, most of the
people I know in the *real* world agree with my assessment: JBoss is not
worth the trouble. In short, it's crap."
You must be joking, right? I certainly live in the real world. And in my
'real' world we realy use JBoss.
We use it for development and even in production. I definitly think it's a
good product, and for sure no 'crap'.
Especially if you see what you get for *free*. Compare this to the prices
asked for BEA's or IBM's application server.
Regards,
Harm de Laat
Informatiefabriek
The Netherlands
"Mark Galbreath" <mg...@dirtroad.net>
10/10/2003 01:35 PM
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To
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cc
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Apparently more than 20 people believed it was important enough to spark a
discussion of the issue, so if it was a waste of your time, perhaps you
are
just too important for this list? As far as bad advice goes, most of the
people I know in the *real* world agree with my assessment: JBoss is not
worth the trouble. In short, it's crap.
Oh yeah...and thanks for the waste of bandwidth with your useless msg;
next
time, practice what you supposedly believe and email your criticism
privately.
Marko Sharko
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Well congrats on
a) wasting other people's time
b) giving bad advice
perhaps you should consider fishing elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 10 October 2003 10:51
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Yeah, but the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting
purposes...and
apparently I caught a lot of fish... ;-P
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
Apparently more than 20 people believed it was important enough to spark a
discussion of the issue, so if it was a waste of your time, perhaps you are
just too important for this list? As far as bad advice goes, most of the
people I know in the *real* world agree with my assessment: JBoss is not
worth the trouble. In short, it's crap.
Oh yeah...and thanks for the waste of bandwidth with your useless msg; next
time, practice what you supposedly believe and email your criticism
privately.
Marko Sharko
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Well congrats on
a) wasting other people's time
b) giving bad advice
perhaps you should consider fishing elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 10 October 2003 10:51
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Yeah, but the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting
purposes...and
apparently I caught a lot of fish... ;-P
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Brian McSweeney <br...@aurium.net>.
Well congrats on
a) wasting other people's time
b) giving bad advice
perhaps you should consider fishing elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 10 October 2003 10:51
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Yeah, but the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting
purposes...and
apparently I caught a lot of fish... ;-P
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
I agree they scale well....
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 6:56 AM
Strangely enough I find most of your posts are decidedly fishy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 18:51
Yeah, but the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting purposes...and
apparently I caught a lot of fish... ;-P
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
JBoss is crap, anyway.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Strangely enough I find most of your posts are decidedly fishy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 18:51
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Yeah, but the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting purposes...and
apparently I caught a lot of fish... ;-P
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
Yeah, but the only reason I posted that msg was for baiting purposes...and
apparently I caught a lot of fish... ;-P
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:37 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Brian McSweeney <br...@aurium.net>.
I agree, but I was responding to your "jboss is crap" statement, which
also has little to do with entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:41
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity
beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
That's an improvement, but really has little to do with EJB entity beans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Brian McSweeney <br...@aurium.net>.
Can't really agree with that. Besides, jboss have just employed the
creator of hibernate and its CMP layer is going to be powered by
hibernate in the near future anyway. So if you're a fan of hibernate,
you'll get the same thing under the hood with jboss and CMP ejbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 11:08
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
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From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
WebSphere 5.0, WebLogic 8.0, and even JRun 4.0 all optimize intra-container
inter-bean method calls. I still maintain, however, that EJB has been
over-hyped and (especially) now that iBATIS, Hibernate, and various JDO
implementations are available, is overkill and too restrictive (e.g., does
not support polymorphism nor inheritence). Ask yourself if you would use
CORBA in the same situation.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Navjot Singh [mailto:navjot.s@net4india.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:20 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
then which one is good in your eyes?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
>Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:38 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
>
>
>JBoss is crap, anyway.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
>Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
>
>This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
>increases.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
>Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
>
>Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
>creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
>many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
>doing
>this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
>performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
>you
>merely adhere to the specification.
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
>
>The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
>
>The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
>serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
>
>Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
>the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
>
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Navjot Singh <na...@net4india.net>.
then which one is good in your eyes?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
>Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:38 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
>
>
>JBoss is crap, anyway.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
>Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
>
>This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
>increases.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
>Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
>
>Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
>creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
>many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
>doing
>this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
>performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
>you
>merely adhere to the specification.
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
>
>The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
>
>The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
>serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
>
>Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
>the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
>
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
JBoss is crap, anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:brian.mcsweeney@aurium.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:44 AM
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Brian McSweeney <br...@aurium.net>.
This isn't the case for jboss at least. You gain major performance
increases.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: 09 October 2003 10:35
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been
doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local -
you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Hi Andrew, Mark, and ALL!
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
People, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kunal
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 21:20
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Nonsense!
In the same way acronyms look great on resumes, they also look just
super on
product brochures.
If you use EJBs you can proudly proclaim that your application is "based
on
J2EE EJB technology"!
This is useful for impressing clueless manager types even if EJBs confer
no
actual technical advantage (and often many disadvantages) to what your
trying to do.
btw: afaik its not just distributed stuff but also transaction type
stuff
its good for (but lets face it - most dbs do enough in that regards for
most
apps transaction needs already)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 19:04
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
If you are asking these questions, you probably should not be using EJB.
The ONLY reason to use EJB is if you are developing a distributed
application; anything else is overkill. If you simply need data
persistence, use JDBC and use DAO, or one of the persistence frameworks:
Ibatus, Hibernate, or Kodo-JDO.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:51 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
ajay
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
Yes, the advantage of using local interfaces in EJBs is avoiding the
creation of stubs and skeletons, use of RMI and serialization. But what
many people don't realize is that all the major containers have been doing
this since 1.1 anyway, abeit in proprietary ways. You really gain no
performance advantage by explicitly declaring an EJB interface local - you
merely adhere to the specification.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Kunal H. Parikh [mailto:kunalp@carsales.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:20 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Hi Andrew, Mark, and ALL!
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
People, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kunal
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 21:20
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Nonsense!
In the same way acronyms look great on resumes, they also look just
super on
product brochures.
If you use EJBs you can proudly proclaim that your application is "based
on
J2EE EJB technology"!
This is useful for impressing clueless manager types even if EJBs confer
no
actual technical advantage (and often many disadvantages) to what your
trying to do.
btw: afaik its not just distributed stuff but also transaction type
stuff
its good for (but lets face it - most dbs do enough in that regards for
most
apps transaction needs already)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 19:04
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
If you are asking these questions, you probably should not be using EJB.
The ONLY reason to use EJB is if you are developing a distributed
application; anything else is overkill. If you simply need data
persistence, use JDBC and use DAO, or one of the persistence frameworks:
Ibatus, Hibernate, or Kodo-JDO.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:51 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
ajay
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by "Kunal H. Parikh" <ku...@carsales.com.au>.
Hi Andrew, Mark, and ALL!
The CMP2.x spec allows declaring EJBs as local objects.
The advantage of the local EJB objects is that they don't get
serialized/deserialized(I think) and pass-by-reference and not by-value.
Effectively, If you use a LocalEJB, you have the flexibitly of making
the REMOTE with very few changes to code.
People, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kunal
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 21:20
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
Nonsense!
In the same way acronyms look great on resumes, they also look just
super on
product brochures.
If you use EJBs you can proudly proclaim that your application is "based
on
J2EE EJB technology"!
This is useful for impressing clueless manager types even if EJBs confer
no
actual technical advantage (and often many disadvantages) to what your
trying to do.
btw: afaik its not just distributed stuff but also transaction type
stuff
its good for (but lets face it - most dbs do enough in that regards for
most
apps transaction needs already)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 19:04
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
If you are asking these questions, you probably should not be using EJB.
The ONLY reason to use EJB is if you are developing a distributed
application; anything else is overkill. If you simply need data
persistence, use JDBC and use DAO, or one of the persistence frameworks:
Ibatus, Hibernate, or Kodo-JDO.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:51 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Nonsense!
In the same way acronyms look great on resumes, they also look just super on
product brochures.
If you use EJBs you can proudly proclaim that your application is "based on
J2EE EJB technology"!
This is useful for impressing clueless manager types even if EJBs confer no
actual technical advantage (and often many disadvantages) to what your
trying to do.
btw: afaik its not just distributed stuff but also transaction type stuff
its good for (but lets face it - most dbs do enough in that regards for most
apps transaction needs already)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mgalbreath@dirtroad.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2003 19:04
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: ejb's and tomcat
If you are asking these questions, you probably should not be using EJB.
The ONLY reason to use EJB is if you are developing a distributed
application; anything else is overkill. If you simply need data
persistence, use JDBC and use DAO, or one of the persistence frameworks:
Ibatus, Hibernate, or Kodo-JDO.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:51 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
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RE: ejb's and tomcat
Posted by Mark Galbreath <mg...@dirtroad.net>.
If you are asking these questions, you probably should not be using EJB.
The ONLY reason to use EJB is if you are developing a distributed
application; anything else is overkill. If you simply need data
persistence, use JDBC and use DAO, or one of the persistence frameworks:
Ibatus, Hibernate, or Kodo-JDO.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ajay brar [mailto:ajaybrar1@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:51 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: ejb's and tomcat
Hi!
does tomcat support ejb's. I'm building a web app which uses struts. i'm
using ejb's for the model part.
can i deploy the ejb component on tomcat?
what other alternate ways are there to do so?
thanks
cheers
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