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Posted to dev@couchdb.apache.org by Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org> on 2015/09/14 17:19:06 UTC
[PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Hello,
I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers, design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to CouchDB.
It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are not on github.
medium.com is another option.
more ideas?
Michelle Phung
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by ermouth <er...@gmail.com>.
> The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
> the minimal usable state?
What I have:
- JS compiler for posts, produces plain HTML.
- editor itself, heavily dogfooded, but not absolutely smooth.
- very simple environment to run editor offline and sync it with Couch.
What I do not have:
- No public frontend (although it‘s quiet easy task, for 50-100K daily
visitors it can be built in a 1-2 weeks using Couch, node and S3).
- No comment system – this is complex and requires discussion, there are
several approaches seen.
- No auth system – also complex task, first requires join policy
discussion.
Other noticeable points:
- Since Inliner (editor‘s name) was intended for use in highly skilled
small friendly communities, it allows executable code to travel with data,
that is unacceptable for wide public use. Although it is solvable using
vanilla CouchDB toolset.
- App was created in dev env, that is totally out of commonly used
git-based workflow.
- I don‘t see, how app can be tested automatically.
So my very raw estimate is ~200 hours for working minimal public beta and
~300-400 hours for more or less polished resource.
But do not think someone interested )
ermouth
2015-09-14 23:09 GMT+03:00 Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>:
> Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
> but win-win idea and ideal case (;
> In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
> they prefer for the effective workflow.
>
> The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
> the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
> what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
> (minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
>
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> more ideas?
> >
> > Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
> >
> > - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome, FF, O)
> > hosted on Cloudant,
> > - improve it to usable state,
> > - add comments,
> > - add registration using social networks,
> > - make it fly.
> >
> > We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy idea,
> > but it could be interesting social experiment )
> >
> >> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
> >
> > CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
> > example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
> >
> > ermouth
> >
> > 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <mi...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>:
> >
> >> Hi Eli,
> >>
> >> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
> >> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
> >>
> >> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
> >> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the
> website,
> >> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
> >>
> >> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
> >> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
> >> example.
> >>
> >>
> >> Michelle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <
> wickedgrey@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
> >> > examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
> >> >
> >> > The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
> >> > "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
> >> > still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
> >> > proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB backend?).
> >> >
> >> > To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view by
> >> > the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
> >> > impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project is
> >> > on topic?
> >> >
> >> > I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk there
> >> > too or not. :)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Eli
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Good morning, Michelle!
> >> >>
> >> >> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
> >> >> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> >> >> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> >> >> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> >> >> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
> >> >> such turn of events.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> ,,,^..^,,,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <
> michellep@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> Hello,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers,
> >> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to
> >> CouchDB.
> >> >>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment,
> and
> >> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers
> are
> >> not on github.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> medium.com is another option.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> more ideas?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Michelle Phung
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@nms.de>.
yeah same I can do. if anyone needs access rights just send your username
after you have created an account at cwiki. apache.org
Am Donnerstag, 24. September 2015 schrieb Alexander Shorin :
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Michelle Phung <michellep@apache.org
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > I have been sick with the flu for the past week, so I haven’t had time
> to set it up yet, and announce.
> > I will be out next week as well, so no time then either. (ApacheCon!)
>
> Get well and take care!
>
> > But it is on my list of things to do when I get back, I feel badly that
> I have been taking so long to get this done.
> > If anyone would like to move this forward in the meantime, please feel
> welcome. It would really help out.
>
> I'm not sure what's the plan here, but I can help with permissions and
> other stuff if needed.
>
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
--
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Hamburg - Germany
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I have been sick with the flu for the past week, so I haven’t had time to set it up yet, and announce.
> I will be out next week as well, so no time then either. (ApacheCon!)
Get well and take care!
> But it is on my list of things to do when I get back, I feel badly that I have been taking so long to get this done.
> If anyone would like to move this forward in the meantime, please feel welcome. It would really help out.
I'm not sure what's the plan here, but I can help with permissions and
other stuff if needed.
--
,,,^..^,,,
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org>.
I really like this idea as well.
+1
I have been sick with the flu for the past week, so I haven’t had time to set it up yet, and announce.
I will be out next week as well, so no time then either. (ApacheCon!)
But it is on my list of things to do when I get back, I feel badly that I have been taking so long to get this done.
If anyone would like to move this forward in the meantime, please feel welcome. It would really help out.
Michelle
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Confluence seems the best choice between features, usability
> (silence!) and ASF requirements. It's good base for quick start and
> estimate what good/bad sides it has for designers goals. Later, when
> user experience will be accumulated, we can find something better that
> eliminates annoying flaws while provides all the same required
> features.
>
> +1
>
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>> What do the others think about Confluence?
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On 17 September 2015 at 07:20, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
>>>> * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
>>>
>>> Opened Confluence editor and played a little – and surprisingly I like
>>> this idea. Moreover, seems it‘s very good match, far better than
>>> longread-intended Medium or pre-alpha state Inliner.
>>>
>>> ermouth
>>>
>>> 2015-09-16 13:10 GMT+03:00 Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>>> I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Apache+CouchDB+Wiki
>>>>
>>>> * we have that already set up
>>>> * it is run and supported by the ASF (INFRA)
>>>> * everyone with an account can create pages
>>>> * you can upload images easily
>>>> * everyone with an account can comment
>>>> * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: @ermouth: I like Inliner,
>>>> P.P.S: personally, I don't like medium at all due to some bad experiences
>>>> I made last week. The commenting does not support code and the UX is
>>>> horrible (and faulty).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 September 2015 at 06:53, Johs Ensby <jo...@b2w.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Michelle,
>>>>> suggest Medium account with ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Email notifications on your content
>>>>> ( We’ll email you when there’s notifications on your stories and
>>>>> publications.)"
>>>>>
>>>>> ... set to design@ to comply with ASF policy as per Alexander's concern
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexander,
>>>>> I support you on encouraging ermouth suggestion to use Couch/Pouch based
>>>>> Inliner app as bases for this.
>>>>> Agree that is not crazy at all, on the contrary. I am using Inliner now
>>>>> and it is a very good candidate to extend into Medium-like community
>>>> app.
>>>>> Integration with AFS mailing list would then be possible to customize
>>>> for
>>>>> "backward compatibility" while entering the area that arrived when
>>>> social
>>>>> media supplemented email).
>>>>>
>>>>> Medium, however has an excellent model for commenting that could be
>>>>> improved on and seen as the pilot exercise for including designers in
>>>> the
>>>>> community.
>>>>> (I presume Michelle's ambition is to attract a new group of
>>>> contributors,
>>>>> not only teach the non-desginers about design)
>>>>>
>>>>> johs
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14. sep. 2015, at 17.41, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good morning, Michelle!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
>>>>>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>>>>>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>>>>>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>>>>>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
>>>>>> such turn of events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14. sep. 2015, at 22.09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
>>>>>> but win-win idea and ideal case (;
>>>>>> In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
>>>>>> they prefer for the effective workflow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
>>>>>> the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
>>>>>> what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
>>>>>> (minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> more ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome,
>>>> FF, O)
>>>>>>> hosted on Cloudant,
>>>>>>> - improve it to usable state,
>>>>>>> - add comments,
>>>>>>> - add registration using social networks,
>>>>>>> - make it fly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy
>>>> idea,
>>>>>>> but it could be interesting social experiment )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
>>>>>>> example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ermouth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <
>>>> michelle@linux.vnet.ibm.com
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Eli,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
>>>>>>>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
>>>>>>>> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the
>>>>> website,
>>>>>>>> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michelle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <
>>>>> wickedgrey@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
>>>>>>>>> examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
>>>>>>>>> "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
>>>>>>>>> proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB
>>>> backend?).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the
>>>> view by
>>>>>>>>> the controller, which means that the choice of backing store
>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my
>>>> project is
>>>>>>>>> on topic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk
>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> too or not. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Eli
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <
>>>> kxepal@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Good morning, Michelle!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target
>>>> audience
>>>>>>>>>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment
>>>> (:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>>>>>>>>>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>>>>>>>>>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>>>>>>>>>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform,
>>>> but +1
>>>>>>>>>> such turn of events.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <
>>>>> michellep@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB
>>>> designers,
>>>>>>>> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> CouchDB.
>>>>>>>>>>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> there are some design threads on github, which let people
>>>> comment,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some
>>>> designers
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> not on github.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> medium.com is another option.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> more ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michelle Phung
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andy Wenk
>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>>>> RockIt!
>>>>
>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>>>
>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andy Wenk
>> Hamburg - Germany
>> RockIt!
>>
>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>
>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>.
Confluence seems the best choice between features, usability
(silence!) and ASF requirements. It's good base for quick start and
estimate what good/bad sides it has for designers goals. Later, when
user experience will be accumulated, we can find something better that
eliminates annoying flaws while provides all the same required
features.
+1
--
,,,^..^,,,
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> What do the others think about Confluence?
>
> All the best
>
> Andy
>
> On 17 September 2015 at 07:20, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
>> > * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
>>
>> Opened Confluence editor and played a little – and surprisingly I like
>> this idea. Moreover, seems it‘s very good match, far better than
>> longread-intended Medium or pre-alpha state Inliner.
>>
>> ermouth
>>
>> 2015-09-16 13:10 GMT+03:00 Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>:
>>
>>> I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Apache+CouchDB+Wiki
>>>
>>> * we have that already set up
>>> * it is run and supported by the ASF (INFRA)
>>> * everyone with an account can create pages
>>> * you can upload images easily
>>> * everyone with an account can comment
>>> * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> P.S.: @ermouth: I like Inliner,
>>> P.P.S: personally, I don't like medium at all due to some bad experiences
>>> I made last week. The commenting does not support code and the UX is
>>> horrible (and faulty).
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 September 2015 at 06:53, Johs Ensby <jo...@b2w.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Michelle,
>>> > suggest Medium account with ...
>>> >
>>> > "Email notifications on your content
>>> > ( We’ll email you when there’s notifications on your stories and
>>> > publications.)"
>>> >
>>> > ... set to design@ to comply with ASF policy as per Alexander's concern
>>> >
>>> > Alexander,
>>> > I support you on encouraging ermouth suggestion to use Couch/Pouch based
>>> > Inliner app as bases for this.
>>> > Agree that is not crazy at all, on the contrary. I am using Inliner now
>>> > and it is a very good candidate to extend into Medium-like community
>>> app.
>>> > Integration with AFS mailing list would then be possible to customize
>>> for
>>> > "backward compatibility" while entering the area that arrived when
>>> social
>>> > media supplemented email).
>>> >
>>> > Medium, however has an excellent model for commenting that could be
>>> > improved on and seen as the pilot exercise for including designers in
>>> the
>>> > community.
>>> > (I presume Michelle's ambition is to attract a new group of
>>> contributors,
>>> > not only teach the non-desginers about design)
>>> >
>>> > johs
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 14. sep. 2015, at 17.41, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Good morning, Michelle!
>>> > >
>>> > > That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
>>> > > which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>>> > >
>>> > > The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>>> > > discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>>> > > thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>>> > > don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
>>> > > such turn of events.
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > ,,,^..^,,,
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > > On 14. sep. 2015, at 22.09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
>>> > > but win-win idea and ideal case (;
>>> > > In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
>>> > > they prefer for the effective workflow.
>>> > >
>>> > > The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
>>> > > the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
>>> > > what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
>>> > > (minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > ,,,^..^,,,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>> more ideas?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome,
>>> FF, O)
>>> > >> hosted on Cloudant,
>>> > >> - improve it to usable state,
>>> > >> - add comments,
>>> > >> - add registration using social networks,
>>> > >> - make it fly.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy
>>> idea,
>>> > >> but it could be interesting social experiment )
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
>>> > >>
>>> > >> CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
>>> > >> example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> ermouth
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <
>>> michelle@linux.vnet.ibm.com
>>> > >:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Hi Eli,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
>>> > >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
>>> > >>> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the
>>> > website,
>>> > >>> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
>>> > >>> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
>>> > >>> example.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Michelle
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <
>>> > wickedgrey@gmail.com>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
>>> > >>>> examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
>>> > >>>> "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but
>>> it's
>>> > >>>> still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
>>> > >>>> proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB
>>> backend?).
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the
>>> view by
>>> > >>>> the controller, which means that the choice of backing store
>>> doesn't
>>> > >>>> impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my
>>> project is
>>> > >>>> on topic?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk
>>> there
>>> > >>>> too or not. :)
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Thanks,
>>> > >>>> Eli
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <
>>> kxepal@gmail.com>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>> Good morning, Michelle!
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target
>>> audience
>>> > >>>>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment
>>> (:
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>>> > >>>>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>>> > >>>>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>>> > >>>>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform,
>>> but +1
>>> > >>>>> such turn of events.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> --
>>> > >>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <
>>> > michellep@apache.org>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>>> Hello,
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB
>>> designers,
>>> > >>> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect
>>> to
>>> > >>> CouchDB.
>>> > >>>>>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> there are some design threads on github, which let people
>>> comment,
>>> > and
>>> > >>> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some
>>> designers
>>> > are
>>> > >>> not on github.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> medium.com is another option.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> more ideas?
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Michelle Phung
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andy Wenk
>>> Hamburg - Germany
>>> RockIt!
>>>
>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>>
>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Andy Wenk
> Hamburg - Germany
> RockIt!
>
> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>
> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>.
What do the others think about Confluence?
All the best
Andy
On 17 September 2015 at 07:20, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
> > * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
>
> Opened Confluence editor and played a little – and surprisingly I like
> this idea. Moreover, seems it‘s very good match, far better than
> longread-intended Medium or pre-alpha state Inliner.
>
> ermouth
>
> 2015-09-16 13:10 GMT+03:00 Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>:
>
>> I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Apache+CouchDB+Wiki
>>
>> * we have that already set up
>> * it is run and supported by the ASF (INFRA)
>> * everyone with an account can create pages
>> * you can upload images easily
>> * everyone with an account can comment
>> * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> P.S.: @ermouth: I like Inliner,
>> P.P.S: personally, I don't like medium at all due to some bad experiences
>> I made last week. The commenting does not support code and the UX is
>> horrible (and faulty).
>>
>>
>> On 16 September 2015 at 06:53, Johs Ensby <jo...@b2w.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Michelle,
>> > suggest Medium account with ...
>> >
>> > "Email notifications on your content
>> > ( We’ll email you when there’s notifications on your stories and
>> > publications.)"
>> >
>> > ... set to design@ to comply with ASF policy as per Alexander's concern
>> >
>> > Alexander,
>> > I support you on encouraging ermouth suggestion to use Couch/Pouch based
>> > Inliner app as bases for this.
>> > Agree that is not crazy at all, on the contrary. I am using Inliner now
>> > and it is a very good candidate to extend into Medium-like community
>> app.
>> > Integration with AFS mailing list would then be possible to customize
>> for
>> > "backward compatibility" while entering the area that arrived when
>> social
>> > media supplemented email).
>> >
>> > Medium, however has an excellent model for commenting that could be
>> > improved on and seen as the pilot exercise for including designers in
>> the
>> > community.
>> > (I presume Michelle's ambition is to attract a new group of
>> contributors,
>> > not only teach the non-desginers about design)
>> >
>> > johs
>> >
>> > >
>> > > On 14. sep. 2015, at 17.41, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Good morning, Michelle!
>> > >
>> > > That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
>> > > which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>> > >
>> > > The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>> > > discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>> > > thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>> > > don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>> > >
>> > > Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
>> > > such turn of events.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > ,,,^..^,,,
>> > >
>> >
>> > > On 14. sep. 2015, at 22.09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
>> > > but win-win idea and ideal case (;
>> > > In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
>> > > they prefer for the effective workflow.
>> > >
>> > > The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
>> > > the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
>> > > what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
>> > > (minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > ,,,^..^,,,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> more ideas?
>> > >>
>> > >> Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
>> > >>
>> > >> - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome,
>> FF, O)
>> > >> hosted on Cloudant,
>> > >> - improve it to usable state,
>> > >> - add comments,
>> > >> - add registration using social networks,
>> > >> - make it fly.
>> > >>
>> > >> We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy
>> idea,
>> > >> but it could be interesting social experiment )
>> > >>
>> > >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
>> > >>
>> > >> CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
>> > >> example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
>> > >>
>> > >> ermouth
>> > >>
>> > >> 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <
>> michelle@linux.vnet.ibm.com
>> > >:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi Eli,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
>> > >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
>> > >>> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the
>> > website,
>> > >>> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
>> > >>> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
>> > >>> example.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Michelle
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <
>> > wickedgrey@gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
>> > >>>> examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
>> > >>>> "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but
>> it's
>> > >>>> still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
>> > >>>> proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB
>> backend?).
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the
>> view by
>> > >>>> the controller, which means that the choice of backing store
>> doesn't
>> > >>>> impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my
>> project is
>> > >>>> on topic?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk
>> there
>> > >>>> too or not. :)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thanks,
>> > >>>> Eli
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <
>> kxepal@gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>>> Good morning, Michelle!
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target
>> audience
>> > >>>>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment
>> (:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>> > >>>>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>> > >>>>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>> > >>>>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform,
>> but +1
>> > >>>>> such turn of events.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <
>> > michellep@apache.org>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Hello,
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB
>> designers,
>> > >>> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect
>> to
>> > >>> CouchDB.
>> > >>>>>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> there are some design threads on github, which let people
>> comment,
>> > and
>> > >>> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some
>> designers
>> > are
>> > >>> not on github.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> medium.com is another option.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> more ideas?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Michelle Phung
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andy Wenk
>> Hamburg - Germany
>> RockIt!
>>
>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>
>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>
>
>
--
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!
GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by ermouth <er...@gmail.com>.
> I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
> * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
Opened Confluence editor and played a little – and surprisingly I like this
idea. Moreover, seems it‘s very good match, far better than
longread-intended Medium or pre-alpha state Inliner.
ermouth
2015-09-16 13:10 GMT+03:00 Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>:
> I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Apache+CouchDB+Wiki
>
> * we have that already set up
> * it is run and supported by the ASF (INFRA)
> * everyone with an account can create pages
> * you can upload images easily
> * everyone with an account can comment
> * we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> P.S.: @ermouth: I like Inliner,
> P.P.S: personally, I don't like medium at all due to some bad experiences
> I made last week. The commenting does not support code and the UX is
> horrible (and faulty).
>
>
> On 16 September 2015 at 06:53, Johs Ensby <jo...@b2w.com> wrote:
>
> > Michelle,
> > suggest Medium account with ...
> >
> > "Email notifications on your content
> > ( We’ll email you when there’s notifications on your stories and
> > publications.)"
> >
> > ... set to design@ to comply with ASF policy as per Alexander's concern
> >
> > Alexander,
> > I support you on encouraging ermouth suggestion to use Couch/Pouch based
> > Inliner app as bases for this.
> > Agree that is not crazy at all, on the contrary. I am using Inliner now
> > and it is a very good candidate to extend into Medium-like community app.
> > Integration with AFS mailing list would then be possible to customize for
> > "backward compatibility" while entering the area that arrived when social
> > media supplemented email).
> >
> > Medium, however has an excellent model for commenting that could be
> > improved on and seen as the pilot exercise for including designers in the
> > community.
> > (I presume Michelle's ambition is to attract a new group of contributors,
> > not only teach the non-desginers about design)
> >
> > johs
> >
> > >
> > > On 14. sep. 2015, at 17.41, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good morning, Michelle!
> > >
> > > That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
> > > which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
> > >
> > > The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> > > discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> > > thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> > > don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
> > >
> > > Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
> > > such turn of events.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ,,,^..^,,,
> > >
> >
> > > On 14. sep. 2015, at 22.09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
> > > but win-win idea and ideal case (;
> > > In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
> > > they prefer for the effective workflow.
> > >
> > > The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
> > > the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
> > > what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
> > > (minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
> > >
> > > --
> > > ,,,^..^,,,
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> more ideas?
> > >>
> > >> Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
> > >>
> > >> - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome, FF,
> O)
> > >> hosted on Cloudant,
> > >> - improve it to usable state,
> > >> - add comments,
> > >> - add registration using social networks,
> > >> - make it fly.
> > >>
> > >> We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy
> idea,
> > >> but it could be interesting social experiment )
> > >>
> > >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
> > >>
> > >> CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
> > >> example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
> > >>
> > >> ermouth
> > >>
> > >> 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <
> michelle@linux.vnet.ibm.com
> > >:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Eli,
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
> > >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
> > >>> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the
> > website,
> > >>> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
> > >>> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
> > >>> example.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Michelle
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <
> > wickedgrey@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
> > >>>> examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
> > >>>> "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
> > >>>> still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
> > >>>> proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB
> backend?).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view
> by
> > >>>> the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
> > >>>> impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project
> is
> > >>>> on topic?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk
> there
> > >>>> too or not. :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Eli
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kxepal@gmail.com
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>> Good morning, Michelle!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target
> audience
> > >>>>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment
> (:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> > >>>>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> > >>>>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> > >>>>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but
> +1
> > >>>>> such turn of events.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <
> > michellep@apache.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hello,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB
> designers,
> > >>> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to
> > >>> CouchDB.
> > >>>>>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment,
> > and
> > >>> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some
> designers
> > are
> > >>> not on github.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> medium.com is another option.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> more ideas?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Michelle Phung
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Andy Wenk
> Hamburg - Germany
> RockIt!
>
> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>
> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>.
I throw in another idea and do suggest to use Confluence at:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Apache+CouchDB+Wiki
* we have that already set up
* it is run and supported by the ASF (INFRA)
* everyone with an account can create pages
* you can upload images easily
* everyone with an account can comment
* we do not have to set up anything - we can start NOW
Thoughts?
Cheers
Andy
P.S.: @ermouth: I like Inliner,
P.P.S: personally, I don't like medium at all due to some bad experiences
I made last week. The commenting does not support code and the UX is
horrible (and faulty).
On 16 September 2015 at 06:53, Johs Ensby <jo...@b2w.com> wrote:
> Michelle,
> suggest Medium account with ...
>
> "Email notifications on your content
> ( We’ll email you when there’s notifications on your stories and
> publications.)"
>
> ... set to design@ to comply with ASF policy as per Alexander's concern
>
> Alexander,
> I support you on encouraging ermouth suggestion to use Couch/Pouch based
> Inliner app as bases for this.
> Agree that is not crazy at all, on the contrary. I am using Inliner now
> and it is a very good candidate to extend into Medium-like community app.
> Integration with AFS mailing list would then be possible to customize for
> "backward compatibility" while entering the area that arrived when social
> media supplemented email).
>
> Medium, however has an excellent model for commenting that could be
> improved on and seen as the pilot exercise for including designers in the
> community.
> (I presume Michelle's ambition is to attract a new group of contributors,
> not only teach the non-desginers about design)
>
> johs
>
> >
> > On 14. sep. 2015, at 17.41, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, Michelle!
> >
> > That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
> > which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
> >
> > The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> > discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> > thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> > don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
> >
> > Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
> > such turn of events.
> >
> > --
> > ,,,^..^,,,
> >
>
> > On 14. sep. 2015, at 22.09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
> > but win-win idea and ideal case (;
> > In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
> > they prefer for the effective workflow.
> >
> > The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
> > the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
> > what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
> > (minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
> >
> > --
> > ,,,^..^,,,
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> more ideas?
> >>
> >> Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
> >>
> >> - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome, FF, O)
> >> hosted on Cloudant,
> >> - improve it to usable state,
> >> - add comments,
> >> - add registration using social networks,
> >> - make it fly.
> >>
> >> We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy idea,
> >> but it could be interesting social experiment )
> >>
> >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
> >>
> >> CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
> >> example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
> >>
> >> ermouth
> >>
> >> 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <michelle@linux.vnet.ibm.com
> >:
> >>
> >>> Hi Eli,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
> >>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
> >>>
> >>> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
> >>> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the
> website,
> >>> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
> >>> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michelle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <
> wickedgrey@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
> >>>> examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
> >>>>
> >>>> The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
> >>>> "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
> >>>> still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
> >>>> proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB backend?).
> >>>>
> >>>> To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view by
> >>>> the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
> >>>> impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project is
> >>>> on topic?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk there
> >>>> too or not. :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Eli
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> Good morning, Michelle!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
> >>>>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> >>>>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> >>>>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> >>>>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
> >>>>> such turn of events.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <
> michellep@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers,
> >>> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to
> >>> CouchDB.
> >>>>>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment,
> and
> >>> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers
> are
> >>> not on github.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> medium.com is another option.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> more ideas?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Michelle Phung
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
--
Andy Wenk
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Johs Ensby <jo...@b2w.com>.
Michelle,
suggest Medium account with ...
"Email notifications on your content
( We’ll email you when there’s notifications on your stories and publications.)"
... set to design@ to comply with ASF policy as per Alexander's concern
Alexander,
I support you on encouraging ermouth suggestion to use Couch/Pouch based Inliner app as bases for this.
Agree that is not crazy at all, on the contrary. I am using Inliner now and it is a very good candidate to extend into Medium-like community app.
Integration with AFS mailing list would then be possible to customize for "backward compatibility" while entering the area that arrived when social media supplemented email).
Medium, however has an excellent model for commenting that could be improved on and seen as the pilot exercise for including designers in the community.
(I presume Michelle's ambition is to attract a new group of contributors, not only teach the non-desginers about design)
johs
>
> On 14. sep. 2015, at 17.41, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good morning, Michelle!
>
> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>
> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>
> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
> such turn of events.
>
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
> On 14. sep. 2015, at 22.09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
> but win-win idea and ideal case (;
> In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
> they prefer for the effective workflow.
>
> The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
> the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
> what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
> (minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
>
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> more ideas?
>>
>> Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
>>
>> - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome, FF, O)
>> hosted on Cloudant,
>> - improve it to usable state,
>> - add comments,
>> - add registration using social networks,
>> - make it fly.
>>
>> We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy idea,
>> but it could be interesting social experiment )
>>
>>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
>>
>> CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
>> example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
>>
>> ermouth
>>
>> 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <mi...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Eli,
>>>
>>> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
>>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
>>>
>>> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
>>> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the website,
>>> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
>>>
>>> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
>>> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
>>> example.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <wi...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
>>>> examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
>>>>
>>>> The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
>>>> "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
>>>> still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
>>>> proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB backend?).
>>>>
>>>> To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view by
>>>> the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
>>>> impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project is
>>>> on topic?
>>>>
>>>> I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk there
>>>> too or not. :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Eli
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Good morning, Michelle!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
>>>>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>>>>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>>>>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>>>>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
>>>>> such turn of events.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers,
>>> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to
>>> CouchDB.
>>>>>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and
>>> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are
>>> not on github.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> medium.com is another option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michelle Phung
>>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>.
Use CouchDB-based service to work on CouchDB....That's not much crazy,
but win-win idea and ideal case (;
In the end, designers would be able to shape this service in the way
they prefer for the effective workflow.
The only question is how much time/effort it would take to get it to
the minimal usable state? And, since we stated talk about features,
what are end users expectations and requirements for such service
(minimal, good to have, sweet spot)?
--
,,,^..^,,,
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:49 PM, ermouth <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> more ideas?
>
> Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
>
> - take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome, FF, O)
> hosted on Cloudant,
> - improve it to usable state,
> - add comments,
> - add registration using social networks,
> - make it fly.
>
> We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy idea,
> but it could be interesting social experiment )
>
>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
>
> CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
> example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
>
> ermouth
>
> 2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <mi...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>:
>
>> Hi Eli,
>>
>> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
>> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
>>
>> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
>> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the website,
>> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
>>
>> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
>> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
>> example.
>>
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <wi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
>> > examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
>> >
>> > The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
>> > "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
>> > still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
>> > proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB backend?).
>> >
>> > To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view by
>> > the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
>> > impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project is
>> > on topic?
>> >
>> > I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk there
>> > too or not. :)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Eli
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Good morning, Michelle!
>> >>
>> >> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
>> >> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>> >>
>> >> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>> >> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>> >> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>> >> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>> >>
>> >> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
>> >> such turn of events.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ,,,^..^,,,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers,
>> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to
>> CouchDB.
>> >>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>> >>>
>> >>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and
>> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are
>> not on github.
>> >>>
>> >>> medium.com is another option.
>> >>>
>> >>> more ideas?
>> >>>
>> >>> Michelle Phung
>> >
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by ermouth <er...@gmail.com>.
> more ideas?
Michelle, you may say I‘m crazy, but... What if we:
- take this proto http://bit.ly/1iqHRt8 (works well in Chrome, FF, O)
hosted on Cloudant,
- improve it to usable state,
- add comments,
- add registration using social networks,
- make it fly.
We may even enforce comments to start with ‘Yes, and ’ – bit crazy idea,
but it could be interesting social experiment )
> I am meaning the View part of the MVC
CouchDB is extremely effective for MVVM architectures as well. Above
example and ddoc.me/lab are both MVVM.
ermouth
2015-09-14 21:34 GMT+03:00 Michelle Phung <mi...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>:
> Hi Eli,
>
> Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
> I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
>
> I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton
> design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the website,
> and also design of supporting documents, etc.
>
> Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me:
> https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful
> example.
>
>
> Michelle
>
>
>
> > On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <wi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
> > examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
> >
> > The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
> > "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
> > still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
> > proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB backend?).
> >
> > To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view by
> > the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
> > impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project is
> > on topic?
> >
> > I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk there
> > too or not. :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eli
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Good morning, Michelle!
> >>
> >> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
> >> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
> >>
> >> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> >> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> >> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> >> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
> >>
> >> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
> >> such turn of events.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ,,,^..^,,,
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers,
> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
> >>>
> >>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to
> CouchDB.
> >>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
> >>>
> >>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and
> it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are
> not on github.
> >>>
> >>> medium.com is another option.
> >>>
> >>> more ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Michelle Phung
> >
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Michelle Phung <mi...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>.
Hi Eli,
Yes, by design, I am meaning UI/UX/CHI/visual design.
I am meaning the View part of the MVC. :)
I was meaning initially to create a space for people to give Fauxton design suggestions, but we also have to consider the design of the website, and also design of supporting documents, etc.
Here is an example that Robert Kowalski shared with me: https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/37 that i think is a helpful example.
Michelle
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Eli Stevens (Gmail) <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
> examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
>
> The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
> "UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
> still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
> proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB backend?).
>
> To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view by
> the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
> impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project is
> on topic?
>
> I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk there
> too or not. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Eli
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good morning, Michelle!
>>
>> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
>> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>>
>> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
>> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
>> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
>> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>>
>> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
>> such turn of events.
>>
>> --
>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers, design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>>>
>>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to CouchDB.
>>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>>>
>>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are not on github.
>>>
>>> medium.com is another option.
>>>
>>> more ideas?
>>>
>>> Michelle Phung
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by "Eli Stevens (Gmail)" <wi...@gmail.com>.
It would be helpful for me (and perhaps others, I think) if more
examples/details were given about the intended audience and use.
The emphasis on screenshots makes me suspect that "design" means
"UI/CHI/visual design" rather than "software architecture," but it's
still not clear exactly what would be considered on-topic for the
proposed space (Fauxton? Couchapps? Anything with a CouchDB backend?).
To my old-fashioned MVC brain, the model is separated from the view by
the controller, which means that the choice of backing store doesn't
impact the UI much. What criteria could I use to know if my project is
on topic?
I'm mostly interested because I'd like to know if I should lurk there
too or not. :)
Thanks,
Eli
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning, Michelle!
>
> That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
> which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
>
> The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
> discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
> thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
> don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
>
> Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
> such turn of events.
>
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers, design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>>
>> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to CouchDB.
>> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>>
>> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are not on github.
>>
>> medium.com is another option.
>>
>> more ideas?
>>
>> Michelle Phung
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>.
Good morning, Michelle!
That's really good idea to choose better platform for target audience
which simplifies main use cases. Should be interesting experiment (:
The problem could be with the policy that all the ASF project
discussions should happens on ASF mailing lists. So, with using
thirdparty service, we need to workaround this somehow. That means
don't throw too far away your idea with design@ ML.
Cannot say anything good or bad about medium or else platform, but +1
such turn of events.
--
,,,^..^,,,
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers, design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>
> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to CouchDB.
> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>
> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and it supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are not on github.
>
> medium.com is another option.
>
> more ideas?
>
> Michelle Phung
Re: [PROPOSAL] Create an account for designers to contribute to CouchDB
Posted by Robert Kowalski <ro...@kowalski.gd>.
> more ideas?
Slack
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Michelle Phung <mi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to open an account on a platform for CouchDB designers,
> design advocates, and design enthusiasts.
>
> It is a place to discuss all things design related with respect to CouchDB.
> It could be a good place for people to learn about design.
>
> there are some design threads on github, which let people comment, and it
> supports inline comments with screenshots, but maybe some designers are not
> on github.
>
> medium.com is another option.
>
> more ideas?
>
> Michelle Phung