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Posted to dev@tomcat.apache.org by Christopher Cain <cc...@mhsoftware.com> on 2001/09/10 09:07:53 UTC
[VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood :)
---------
Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev
receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the "assigned"
developer?
[] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
[] +0 Sure, why not
[] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
[] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
- Christopher
/**
* Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
* La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
* ---Corneille
*/
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@fujitsu-siemens.com>.
> ---------
>
> Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev
> receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the "assigned"
> developer?
>
> [X] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
> [] +0 Sure, why not
> [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
> [] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
So that every one can have fun fixing!
Cheers
Jean-frederic
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Christopher Cain <cc...@mhsoftware.com>.
Quoting Christopher Cain <cc...@mhsoftware.com>:
> [X] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the
> notifications
> [] +0 Sure, why not
> [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
> [] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
- Christopher
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Andy Armstrong <an...@tagish.com>.
Christopher Cain wrote:
>
> I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood :)
>
> ---------
>
> Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev
> receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the "assigned"
> developer?
>
> [X] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
> [ ] +0 Sure, why not
> [ ] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
> [ ] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
With the caveat that they should have a subject line that makes them
easily filterable.
--
Andy Armstrong, Tagish
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 9/10/01 12:19 AM, "Remy Maucherat" <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> Since we're at putting more eyballs on some bugs, if someone could come up
> with a reliable test case for bug 3511
> (http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3511), which was reported
> by Jon, that would be great :)
>
> Remy
FYI, I am working on creating another test case...
I just haven't gotten it yet because I need to solve some other problems
first...
-jon
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
> I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood
:)
>
> ---------
>
> Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should
Tomcat-Dev
> receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the "assigned"
> developer?
>
> [X] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
Ok, Jon's arguments were convincing :)
Really, the only problem is the added traffic on the list, but then again,
it should only be used by developers, who should be interested in bug
reports in the first place (right ?).
We should keep the default attribution of the bug depending on the
components, IMO. I think it's implied by your proposal.
I have no clue how to set that up, unfortunately ;-)
> [] +0 Sure, why not
> [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
> [] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
Since we're at putting more eyballs on some bugs, if someone could come up
with a reliable test case for bug 3511
(http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3511), which was reported
by Jon, that would be great :)
Remy
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by cm...@yahoo.com.
+1, Jon has a point. ( I was among those bad guys who sugested the current
behavior, mea culpa )
Costin
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Christopher Cain wrote:
> I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and brotherhood :)
>
> ---------
>
> Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev
> receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the "assigned"
> developer?
>
> [] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
> [] +0 Sure, why not
> [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
> [] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
>
>
> - Christopher
>
> /**
> * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
> * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
> * ---Corneille
> */
>
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Marc Saegesser <ma...@apropos.com>.
Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should Tomcat-Dev
receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the
"assigned"
developer?
[X] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
[] +0 Sure, why not
[] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
[] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
Marc Saegesser
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Paulo Gaspar <pa...@krankikom.de>.
You are right Christopher.
Besides the (a bit sarcastic[*]) sense of humor and besides knowing some
Latin expressions, you also make a lot of sense.
=:o)
Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. (Seriously!)
Have fun,
Paulo
[*] Which is a "plus".
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Cain [mailto:ccain@mhsoftware.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:02 PM
>
>
> There were a few reasons that I didn't include a "separate mailing list"
> option in the vote. There seemed to be more a little more support for
> just having them come here to the dev list, and it's hard to effectively
> call a vote on three options instead of two, so I picked the one that
> would be more likely to pass.
>
> Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on
> anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally
> cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new
> mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list
> duties on Pier.
>
> Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could
> realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't
> in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at
> this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I
> said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as
> they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages.
>
> Incidentally, we miss you over, Paulo ;-)
>
> - Christopher
>
> /**
> * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
> * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
> * ---Corneille
> */
>
> Paulo Gaspar wrote:
> > Christopher,
> >
> >
> > Since you are the VOTE proponent, could you take a look at my previous
> > suggestion:
> > - having a "tomcat-bugs" mailing list;
> > - having a _daily digest_ to "tomcat-dev" (which should refer the
> > existence of the bugs list).
> >
> > It was made clear along this discussion that BUG messages were removed
> > because people complained about clutter.
> >
> > The fact that they are faced as clutter by many defeats the idea of
> > getting more eye balls posting them all one by one - people will "jump
> > over" and ignore them just as everybody does to advertising banners.
> >
> >
> > The daily bug digest + bug list still sounds like a nice compromise to
> > me. I think that it is the best way to get more eye balls.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, I know I would prefer it this way, but I have no Karma to do
> > anything about that besides noise.
> >
> >
> > Thanks and have fun,
> > Paulo Gaspar
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Christopher Cain [mailto:ccain@mhsoftware.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:08 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and
> >>brotherhood :)
> >>
> >>---------
> >>
> >>Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should
> >>Tomcat-Dev
> >>receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the
> >>"assigned"
> >>developer?
> >>
> >>[] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
> >>[] +0 Sure, why not
> >>[] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
> >>[] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
> >>
> >>
> >>- Christopher
> >>
> >>/**
> >> * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
> >> * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
> >> * ---Corneille
> >> */
>
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Amy Roh <am...@apache.org>.
-1 for the same reasons.
Amy
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> "Remy Maucherat" <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >> [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list
> >> [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev
> >
> > Rationale is: I want other developers to look at the outstanding bugs, and
> > tomcat-dev is the dev list for Tomcat, so I don't see the point of having
> > another list.
>
> Agree with Remy: -1
>
> Pier
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Paulo Gaspar <pa...@krankikom.de>.
> *sigh* ... ever the diplomat ;-)
The only sure things in life:
death, taxes and Jon's "guerilla diplomacy".
=;o)
Have fun,
Paulo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Cain [mailto:ccain@mhsoftware.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:58 PM
> To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
>
>
>
> Jon Stevens wrote:
> > I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your
> panties into a
> > wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original
> > suggestion.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > -jon (runs for cover)
> >
>
> *sigh* ... ever the diplomat ;-)
>
> - Christopher
>
> /**
> * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
> * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
> * ---Corneille
> */
>
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Christopher Cain <cc...@mhsoftware.com>.
Jon Stevens wrote:
> I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a
> wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original
> suggestion.
>
> :-)
>
> -jon (runs for cover)
>
*sigh* ... ever the diplomat ;-)
- Christopher
/**
* Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
* La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
* ---Corneille
*/
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com> wrote:
> I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a
> wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original
> suggestion.
>
> :-)
>
> -jon (runs for cover)
Someone might call it "I'm so freaking tired of it so that I just don't want
to talk about it anymore"... :) :) :)
Pier
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails - OT
Posted by Paulo Gaspar <pa...@krankikom.de>.
I don't want you running for nothing so...
Your problem is:
- When you are wrong, you are wrong;
- When you are right, you still don't know how to prove it.
OTHO, you always make such a noise protesting that you are right that,
eventually, if you really are right, someone with better communication
skills ends up motivated to properly explain why you are right in a
proper way... just to have peace back... and when that happens I learn
something.
Have fun,
Paulo
P.S.: I have to confess that, obviously, you usually don't make all
the noise alone by yourself.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:47 PM
> To: tomcat-dev
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
>
>
> I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a
> wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original
> suggestion.
>
> :-)
>
> -jon (runs for cover)
>
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
I just have to say that it is cute how all of you get your panties into a
wad when I suggest something and then end up going with my original
suggestion.
:-)
-jon (runs for cover)
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Paulo Gaspar <pa...@krankikom.de>.
Even the pushy non voting bastard (me) agrees that something should
come to the dev list.
I was pushing the daily digest thing coming to dev, but after
Christopher rationale (it takes work doing it + don't ask what you
won't do) I sure agree that the practical solution is to have all
the bugs coming to tomcat-dev.
Meaning: I really changed my mind and I now think that the initial
vote was quite ok.
Just my 2 cents.
Have fun,
Paulo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:pier@betaversion.org]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:22 PM
> To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
>
>
> "Remy Maucherat" <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >> [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list
> >> [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev
> >
> > Rationale is: I want other developers to look at the
> outstanding bugs, and
> > tomcat-dev is the dev list for Tomcat, so I don't see the point
> of having
> > another list.
>
> Agree with Remy: -1
>
> Pier
>
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Remy Maucherat" <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list
>> [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev
>
> Rationale is: I want other developers to look at the outstanding bugs, and
> tomcat-dev is the dev list for Tomcat, so I don't see the point of having
> another list.
Agree with Remy: -1
Pier
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
> "Christopher Cain" <cc...@mhsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> > Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on
> > anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally
> > cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new
> > mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list
> > duties on Pier.
> >
> > Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could
> > realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't
> > in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at
> > this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I
> > said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as
> > they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages.
>
> Ok, so since I need to try to be the nice guy over here, let's do it this
> way... It seems apparent that the mailing list want to be notified of bugs
> (lots of +1 and no -1), so this is a simple one
>
> [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list
> [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev
Rationale is: I want other developers to look at the outstanding bugs, and
tomcat-dev is the dev list for Tomcat, so I don't see the point of having
another list.
Remy
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Marc Saegesser <ma...@apropos.com>.
-1
Marc Saegesser
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:pier@betaversion.org]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:03 PM
> To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
>
>
> "Christopher Cain" <cc...@mhsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> > Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on
> > anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally
> > cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new
> > mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list
> > duties on Pier.
> >
> > Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could
> > realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't
> > in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at
> > this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I
> > said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as
> > they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages.
>
> Ok, so since I need to try to be the nice guy over here, let's do it this
> way... It seems apparent that the mailing list want to be notified of bugs
> (lots of +1 and no -1), so this is a simple one
>
> [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list
> [ ] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev
>
> (I'd propose this is a non vetoing vote, so, majority wins)
>
> Pier
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by cm...@yahoo.com.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> Ok, so since I need to try to be the nice guy over here, let's do it this
> way... It seems apparent that the mailing list want to be notified of bugs
> (lots of +1 and no -1), so this is a simple one
>
> [ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list
> [X] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev
Costin
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Christopher Cain" <cc...@mhsoftware.com> wrote:
> Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on
> anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally
> cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new
> mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list
> duties on Pier.
>
> Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could
> realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't
> in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at
> this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I
> said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as
> they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages.
Ok, so since I need to try to be the nice guy over here, let's do it this
way... It seems apparent that the mailing list want to be notified of bugs
(lots of +1 and no -1), so this is a simple one
[ ] +1 - I want all messages to a new tomcat-bugs mailing list
[ ] -1 - I want all messages to tomcat-dev
(I'd propose this is a non vetoing vote, so, majority wins)
Pier
Re: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Christopher Cain <cc...@mhsoftware.com>.
There were a few reasons that I didn't include a "separate mailing list"
option in the vote. There seemed to be more a little more support for
just having them come here to the dev list, and it's hard to effectively
call a vote on three options instead of two, so I picked the one that
would be more likely to pass.
Also, while I might technically have the ability to call for a vote on
anything, it's bad form to call a vote on something that you personally
cannot make happen. Since I do not have the ability to set up a new
mailing list, it would be the equivalent of me forcing more mailing list
duties on Pier.
Basically, I did the most that I could do. The only people who could
realistically called for a vote on a new mailing list are Jon (who isn't
in favor of it), Pier (who I think is fed up with the whole business at
this point :), and Craig (who didn't say one way or the other). As I
said, I don't personally care how they get into my inbox, so long as
they do. So in calling a vote, I simply played the percentages.
Incidentally, we miss you over, Paulo ;-)
- Christopher
/**
* Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
* La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
* ---Corneille
*/
Paulo Gaspar wrote:
> Christopher,
>
>
> Since you are the VOTE proponent, could you take a look at my previous
> suggestion:
> - having a "tomcat-bugs" mailing list;
> - having a _daily digest_ to "tomcat-dev" (which should refer the
> existence of the bugs list).
>
> It was made clear along this discussion that BUG messages were removed
> because people complained about clutter.
>
> The fact that they are faced as clutter by many defeats the idea of
> getting more eye balls posting them all one by one - people will "jump
> over" and ignore them just as everybody does to advertising banners.
>
>
> The daily bug digest + bug list still sounds like a nice compromise to
> me. I think that it is the best way to get more eye balls.
>
>
> Anyway, I know I would prefer it this way, but I have no Karma to do
> anything about that besides noise.
>
>
> Thanks and have fun,
> Paulo Gaspar
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Cain [mailto:ccain@mhsoftware.com]
>>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:08 AM
>>
>>
>>I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and
>>brotherhood :)
>>
>>---------
>>
>>Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should
>>Tomcat-Dev
>>receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the
>>"assigned"
>>developer?
>>
>>[] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
>>[] +0 Sure, why not
>>[] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
>>[] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
>>
>>
>>- Christopher
>>
>>/**
>> * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
>> * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
>> * ---Corneille
>> */
RE: [VOTE] Bug Notification E-Mails
Posted by Paulo Gaspar <pa...@krankikom.de>.
Christopher,
Since you are the VOTE proponent, could you take a look at my previous
suggestion:
- having a "tomcat-bugs" mailing list;
- having a _daily digest_ to "tomcat-dev" (which should refer the
existence of the bugs list).
It was made clear along this discussion that BUG messages were removed
because people complained about clutter.
The fact that they are faced as clutter by many defeats the idea of
getting more eye balls posting them all one by one - people will "jump
over" and ignore them just as everybody does to advertising banners.
The daily bug digest + bug list still sounds like a nice compromise to
me. I think that it is the best way to get more eye balls.
Anyway, I know I would prefer it this way, but I have no Karma to do
anything about that besides noise.
Thanks and have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Cain [mailto:ccain@mhsoftware.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:08 AM
>
>
> I'm going to go ahead and call this, in the name of peace and
> brotherhood :)
>
> ---------
>
> Whenever a bug is entered or modified on Nagoya Bugzilla, should
> Tomcat-Dev
> receive a copy of the automatic e-mail notification sent to the
> "assigned"
> developer?
>
> [] +1 Tomcat-Dev should definitely be CC'ed a copy of the notifications
> [] +0 Sure, why not
> [] -0 I don't really care to see them, but I won't complain if I do :)
> [] -1 Leave it alone (explain)
>
>
> - Christopher
>
> /**
> * Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
> * La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
> * ---Corneille
> */
>