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process for going Dormant/Retired
David Crossley wrote:
> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> >
> > I would like to propose "Dormant" or "Retired" status for the alois
> > project - not sure what is more matching or what the difference
> > between these two is. Unfortunately I have not found any docs about
> > this process.
>
> I suggest search the mail lists for past similar situations.
>
> We did have a recent discussion too about the process.
> IIRC, the Leo Simons was very helpful.
>
> Clutch provides some links:
> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Retire
> However there is more involved. When we find/create/enhance
> some docs, we can add to those pointers.
>
> Ah yes, one of those links goes to INCUBATOR-100
Giving this discussion a new name and linking from JIRA.
-David
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Re: process for going Dormant/Retired
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
Should there be a way to comment on the dormant podling? Perhaps
analysis on what (over and above community, the core problem) would be
required to make the project viable, in case anyone who has the time
and interest and expertise (i.e. someone other than, say, me) wanted
to try to revive it?
Don
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> David Crossley wrote:
>>>> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I would like to propose "Dormant" or "Retired" status for the alois
>>>> > project - not sure what is more matching or what the difference
>>>> > between these two is. Unfortunately I have not found any docs about
>>>> > this process.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest search the mail lists for past similar situations.
>>>>
>>>> We did have a recent discussion too about the process.
>>>> IIRC, the Leo Simons was very helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Clutch provides some links:
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Retire
>>>> However there is more involved. When we find/create/enhance
>>>> some docs, we can add to those pointers.
>>>>
>>>> Ah yes, one of those links goes to INCUBATOR-100
>>>
>>> Giving this discussion a new name and linking from JIRA.
>>
>> Also, is there a retired-podlings url that the Attic can link to?
>
> Some additional thoughts after reviewing the Bluesky thread. Generally
> the Attic process should be followed for retired podlings; things like
> making svn, JIRA etc read-only, updating the podling website with a
> bold notice that the podling is retired and making the announcement.
>
> Also a FAQ item from the bluesky thread:
>
> "> What happens to a dormant podling? Are its files still accessible,
>> and does its licensing still apply?
>
> I'd guess that the files remain accessible. However...
> Please use unreleased code, especially from the Incubator, with extreme care.
> Nobody, especially not the ASF, will grant for it."
>
> We really want to be strong on that 'not vouched for' point. I think
> we also should think about the question of whether we keep source that
> wasn't able to check off its IP checklist items. We've got strong
> podlings (JSPWiki springs to mind) where these haven't been checked
> off yet - I think the Incubator PMC should push very strongly on
> podlings to sort out their copyright early instead of letting it
> linger. Perhaps even put in place some timelines 'sort it out in 3
> months' etc.
>
> Hen
>
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Re: process for going Dormant/Retired
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
>> David Crossley wrote:
>>> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I would like to propose "Dormant" or "Retired" status for the alois
>>> > project - not sure what is more matching or what the difference
>>> > between these two is. Unfortunately I have not found any docs about
>>> > this process.
>>>
>>> I suggest search the mail lists for past similar situations.
>>>
>>> We did have a recent discussion too about the process.
>>> IIRC, the Leo Simons was very helpful.
>>>
>>> Clutch provides some links:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Retire
>>> However there is more involved. When we find/create/enhance
>>> some docs, we can add to those pointers.
>>>
>>> Ah yes, one of those links goes to INCUBATOR-100
>>
>> Giving this discussion a new name and linking from JIRA.
>
> Also, is there a retired-podlings url that the Attic can link to?
Some additional thoughts after reviewing the Bluesky thread. Generally
the Attic process should be followed for retired podlings; things like
making svn, JIRA etc read-only, updating the podling website with a
bold notice that the podling is retired and making the announcement.
Also a FAQ item from the bluesky thread:
"> What happens to a dormant podling? Are its files still accessible,
> and does its licensing still apply?
I'd guess that the files remain accessible. However...
Please use unreleased code, especially from the Incubator, with extreme care.
Nobody, especially not the ASF, will grant for it."
We really want to be strong on that 'not vouched for' point. I think
we also should think about the question of whether we keep source that
wasn't able to check off its IP checklist items. We've got strong
podlings (JSPWiki springs to mind) where these haven't been checked
off yet - I think the Incubator PMC should push very strongly on
podlings to sort out their copyright early instead of letting it
linger. Perhaps even put in place some timelines 'sort it out in 3
months' etc.
Hen
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Re: process for going Dormant/Retired
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 18 June 2011 02:12, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>>
>> Also, is there a retired-podlings url that the Attic can link to?
>
> There is a default link generated from the section title.
>
> However i just created explicit links. So after rsync
> it will be:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/#dormant
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/#retired
>
> Probably
That page is rather long, and it's not immediately obvious that there
are 4 sections in it.
Might I suggest adding an intro at the start, e.g. something like:
This page lists all Incubator projects in the following sections:
* Currently in incubation
* Graduated from incubation
* Dormant Projects
* Retired from incubation
and link these accordingly?
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Re: process for going Dormant/Retired
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Also, is there a retired-podlings url that the Attic can link to?
There is a default link generated from the section title.
However i just created explicit links. So after rsync
it will be:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/#dormant
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/#retired
Probably
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Re: process for going Dormant/Retired
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
>> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> >
>> > I would like to propose "Dormant" or "Retired" status for the alois
>> > project - not sure what is more matching or what the difference
>> > between these two is. Unfortunately I have not found any docs about
>> > this process.
>>
>> I suggest search the mail lists for past similar situations.
>>
>> We did have a recent discussion too about the process.
>> IIRC, the Leo Simons was very helpful.
>>
>> Clutch provides some links:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#h-Retire
>> However there is more involved. When we find/create/enhance
>> some docs, we can add to those pointers.
>>
>> Ah yes, one of those links goes to INCUBATOR-100
>
> Giving this discussion a new name and linking from JIRA.
Also, is there a retired-podlings url that the Attic can link to?
Hen
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