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Posted to users@myfaces.apache.org by Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> on 2011/03/04 12:53:37 UTC
[Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Hi folks,
I'm a happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'm a bit worried about its future.
I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly) Primefaces and
I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
Am I right ? What do you think ?
Thanks,
Walter Mourão
http://waltermourao.com.br
http://arcadian.com.br
http://oriens.com.br
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>.
No offense. ;) I was just surprised.
On Mar 5, 2011, at 7:18 AM, "Rafa Pérez" <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I know I am part of the community, and yes, I have spent my "free
> time" in colaborating with several open source projects and creating
> some little patches to Trinidad. I know about open source and I know
> about community that supports it, and you are right, time is finite
> and all of we have lots of things to do.
> 1.0 it's not a good example, you're right. I'm sorry if my words have
> offended to anyone.
>
>
> Rafa
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What? Your example is the 1.0 branch? Let me ask you this.. If
>> MyFaces 1.0 and 1.1 receiving active development? What about he R.I.?
>> What about Tomcat 3 or 4 or 5?
>>
>> The 1.0 branch is old and we supported it, IMO, until well beyond when
>> most projects would have abandoned it. Further, there are only so
>> many hours in the day and the community, as a whole, needs to either
>> do this work in their spare time or because of what they need to do
>> for their real jobs.
>>
>> That's not a community issue, but one of open source.
>>
>> Look at it this way, all that development that used to go into 1.0 is
>> now going into 1.2. All of the development that used to go into 1.2
>> is now going into 2.0. That's the natural progression of things.
>>
>> And let us not forget either that 'YOU' are the community.. If you
>> wanted to see active development on 1.0, then it's your right to speak
>> up. I, for one, think that the Trinidad community benefits from more
>> voices.
>>
>> Apache, after all, is not about product, it's about people.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:46 AM, "Rafa Pérez" <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I think one of the principal problem is that there is not much
>>> documentation on Trinidad's internals... it's quite difficult to
>>> create a new renderkit if you don't know how to do it.
>>> And yes, community it's not very active on Trinidad's development...
>>> just see 1.0.x branch is being abandoned...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -- Rafa
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/4 Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Yeah, makes total sense. I mean heck, Trinidad's extendability and
>>>> plugability are second to none in that regard.
>>>>
>>>> I know I, for one, would lobe to see an new/enhanced renderkit to beef up
>>>> the Trinidad system and it's been talked about several times about having a
>>>> series off "Additional" renderkits added, but nobody's actually buckled down
>>>> and done it. ;)
>>>>
>>>> If there are any takers, by all means I can provide some infrastructure for
>>>> you to do all your work.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Scott
>>>>
>>>> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>>>>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>>>>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> me too!
>>>>
>>>> I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>>>>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>>>>> technologies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes... maybe that's the point: what about creating a new render kit using
>>>> JQuery (for example) ? Trinidad has rock solid back end and, the same way
>>>> there is a pda render kit, it could exist a JQuery render kit. Does it make
>>>> sense ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Walter Mourão
>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe. I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>>>>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>>>>> technologies.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>>>>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>>>>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
>>>>>> those used everywhere else
>>>>>> on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around
>>>>> em).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering
>>>>> Trinidad
>>>>>>> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
>>>>>>> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Walter Mourão
>>>>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>>>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any
>>>>> apparent
>>>>>>>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial
>>>>> backing
>>>>>>>> of the other two?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its
>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly)
>>>>> Primefaces
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Walter Mourão
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dominik Dorn
>>>>>> http://dominikdorn.com
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/domdorn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Rafa Pérez <ra...@gmail.com>.
Yes, I know I am part of the community, and yes, I have spent my "free
time" in colaborating with several open source projects and creating
some little patches to Trinidad. I know about open source and I know
about community that supports it, and you are right, time is finite
and all of we have lots of things to do.
1.0 it's not a good example, you're right. I'm sorry if my words have
offended to anyone.
Rafa
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What? Your example is the 1.0 branch? Let me ask you this.. If
> MyFaces 1.0 and 1.1 receiving active development? What about he R.I.?
> What about Tomcat 3 or 4 or 5?
>
> The 1.0 branch is old and we supported it, IMO, until well beyond when
> most projects would have abandoned it. Further, there are only so
> many hours in the day and the community, as a whole, needs to either
> do this work in their spare time or because of what they need to do
> for their real jobs.
>
> That's not a community issue, but one of open source.
>
> Look at it this way, all that development that used to go into 1.0 is
> now going into 1.2. All of the development that used to go into 1.2
> is now going into 2.0. That's the natural progression of things.
>
> And let us not forget either that 'YOU' are the community.. If you
> wanted to see active development on 1.0, then it's your right to speak
> up. I, for one, think that the Trinidad community benefits from more
> voices.
>
> Apache, after all, is not about product, it's about people.
>
> Scott
>
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:46 AM, "Rafa Pérez" <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I think one of the principal problem is that there is not much
>> documentation on Trinidad's internals... it's quite difficult to
>> create a new renderkit if you don't know how to do it.
>> And yes, community it's not very active on Trinidad's development...
>> just see 1.0.x branch is being abandoned...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -- Rafa
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/4 Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>:
>>> Yeah, makes total sense. I mean heck, Trinidad's extendability and
>>> plugability are second to none in that regard.
>>>
>>> I know I, for one, would lobe to see an new/enhanced renderkit to beef up
>>> the Trinidad system and it's been talked about several times about having a
>>> series off "Additional" renderkits added, but nobody's actually buckled down
>>> and done it. ;)
>>>
>>> If there are any takers, by all means I can provide some infrastructure for
>>> you to do all your work.
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott
>>>
>>> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>>>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>>>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> me too!
>>>
>>> I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>>>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>>>> technologies.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes... maybe that's the point: what about creating a new render kit using
>>> JQuery (for example) ? Trinidad has rock solid back end and, the same way
>>> there is a pda render kit, it could exist a JQuery render kit. Does it make
>>> sense ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Mourão
>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe. I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>>>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>>>> technologies.
>>>>
>>>> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>>>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>>>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
>>>>> those used everywhere else
>>>>> on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around
>>>> em).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering
>>>> Trinidad
>>>>>> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
>>>>>> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walter Mourão
>>>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any
>>>> apparent
>>>>>>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial
>>>> backing
>>>>>>> of the other two?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its
>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly)
>>>> Primefaces
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Walter Mourão
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dominik Dorn
>>>>> http://dominikdorn.com
>>>>> http://twitter.com/domdorn
>>>>>
>>>>> Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>.
What? Your example is the 1.0 branch? Let me ask you this.. If
MyFaces 1.0 and 1.1 receiving active development? What about he R.I.?
What about Tomcat 3 or 4 or 5?
The 1.0 branch is old and we supported it, IMO, until well beyond when
most projects would have abandoned it. Further, there are only so
many hours in the day and the community, as a whole, needs to either
do this work in their spare time or because of what they need to do
for their real jobs.
That's not a community issue, but one of open source.
Look at it this way, all that development that used to go into 1.0 is
now going into 1.2. All of the development that used to go into 1.2
is now going into 2.0. That's the natural progression of things.
And let us not forget either that 'YOU' are the community.. If you
wanted to see active development on 1.0, then it's your right to speak
up. I, for one, think that the Trinidad community benefits from more
voices.
Apache, after all, is not about product, it's about people.
Scott
On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:46 AM, "Rafa Pérez" <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I think one of the principal problem is that there is not much
> documentation on Trinidad's internals... it's quite difficult to
> create a new renderkit if you don't know how to do it.
> And yes, community it's not very active on Trinidad's development...
> just see 1.0.x branch is being abandoned...
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Rafa
>
>
> 2011/3/4 Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>:
>> Yeah, makes total sense. I mean heck, Trinidad's extendability and
>> plugability are second to none in that regard.
>>
>> I know I, for one, would lobe to see an new/enhanced renderkit to beef up
>> the Trinidad system and it's been talked about several times about having a
>> series off "Additional" renderkits added, but nobody's actually buckled down
>> and done it. ;)
>>
>> If there are any takers, by all means I can provide some infrastructure for
>> you to do all your work.
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott
>>
>> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>>
>>
>> me too!
>>
>> I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>>> technologies.
>>>
>>
>> Yes... maybe that's the point: what about creating a new render kit using
>> JQuery (for example) ? Trinidad has rock solid back end and, the same way
>> there is a pda render kit, it could exist a JQuery render kit. Does it make
>> sense ?
>>
>>
>> Walter Mourão
>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>> http://arcadian.com.br
>> http://oriens.com.br
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe. I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>>> technologies.
>>>
>>> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
>>>> those used everywhere else
>>>> on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around
>>> em).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering
>>> Trinidad
>>>>> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
>>>>> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walter Mourão
>>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any
>>> apparent
>>>>>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial
>>> backing
>>>>>> of the other two?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its
>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly)
>>> Primefaces
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walter Mourão
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dominik Dorn
>>>> http://dominikdorn.com
>>>> http://twitter.com/domdorn
>>>>
>>>> Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
>>>
>>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Rafa Pérez <ra...@gmail.com>.
Well, I think one of the principal problem is that there is not much
documentation on Trinidad's internals... it's quite difficult to
create a new renderkit if you don't know how to do it.
And yes, community it's not very active on Trinidad's development...
just see 1.0.x branch is being abandoned...
Regards,
-- Rafa
2011/3/4 Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>:
> Yeah, makes total sense. I mean heck, Trinidad's extendability and
> plugability are second to none in that regard.
>
> I know I, for one, would lobe to see an new/enhanced renderkit to beef up
> the Trinidad system and it's been talked about several times about having a
> series off "Additional" renderkits added, but nobody's actually buckled down
> and done it. ;)
>
> If there are any takers, by all means I can provide some infrastructure for
> you to do all your work.
>
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott
>
> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>
>
> me too!
>
> I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>> technologies.
>>
>
> Yes... maybe that's the point: what about creating a new render kit using
> JQuery (for example) ? Trinidad has rock solid back end and, the same way
> there is a pda render kit, it could exist a JQuery render kit. Does it make
> sense ?
>
>
> Walter Mourão
> http://waltermourao.com.br
> http://arcadian.com.br
> http://oriens.com.br
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe. I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
>> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
>> technologies.
>>
>> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
>> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
>> HttpServletRequest. :)
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
>> > those used everywhere else
>> > on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around
>> em).
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering
>> Trinidad
>> >> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
>> >> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
>> >>
>> >> Walter Mourão
>> >> http://waltermourao.com.br
>> >> http://arcadian.com.br
>> >> http://oriens.com.br
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any
>> apparent
>> >>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial
>> backing
>> >>> of the other two?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi folks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its
>> future.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly)
>> Primefaces
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Walter Mourão
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://arcadian.com.br
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://oriens.com.br
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dominik Dorn
>> > http://dominikdorn.com
>> > http://twitter.com/domdorn
>> >
>> > Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
>>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, makes total sense. I mean heck, Trinidad's extendability and
plugability are second to none in that regard.
I know I, for one, would lobe to see an new/enhanced renderkit to beef up
the Trinidad system and it's been talked about several times about having a
series off "Additional" renderkits added, but nobody's actually buckled down
and done it. ;)
If there are any takers, by all means I can provide some infrastructure for
you to do all your work.
On Mar 4, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Scott
When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
> HttpServletRequest. :)
>
me too!
I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
> technologies.
>
Yes... maybe that's the point: what about creating a new render kit using
JQuery (for example) ? Trinidad has rock solid back end and, the same way
there is a pda render kit, it could exist a JQuery render kit. Does it make
sense ?
Walter Mourão
http://waltermourao.com.br
http://arcadian.com.br
http://oriens.com.br
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe. I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
> technologies.
>
> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
> HttpServletRequest. :)
>
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com> wrote:
>
> > It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
> > those used everywhere else
> > on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around
> em).
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering
> Trinidad
> >> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
> >> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
> >>
> >> Walter Mourão
> >> http://waltermourao.com.br
> >> http://arcadian.com.br
> >> http://oriens.com.br
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any
> apparent
> >>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial
> backing
> >>> of the other two?
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its
> future.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly)
> Primefaces
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Walter Mourão
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> http://waltermourao.com.br
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> http://arcadian.com.br
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> http://oriens.com.br
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dominik Dorn
> > http://dominikdorn.com
> > http://twitter.com/domdorn
> >
> > Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Scott
When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
> HttpServletRequest. :)
>
me too!
I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
> technologies.
>
Yes... maybe that's the point: what about creating a new render kit using
JQuery (for example) ? Trinidad has rock solid back end and, the same way
there is a pda render kit, it could exist a JQuery render kit. Does it make
sense ?
Walter Mourão
http://waltermourao.com.br
http://arcadian.com.br
http://oriens.com.br
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe. I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
> earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
> technologies.
>
> When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
> Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
> HttpServletRequest. :)
>
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com> wrote:
>
> > It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
> > those used everywhere else
> > on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around
> em).
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering
> Trinidad
> >> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
> >> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
> >>
> >> Walter Mourão
> >> http://waltermourao.com.br
> >> http://arcadian.com.br
> >> http://oriens.com.br
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any
> apparent
> >>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial
> backing
> >>> of the other two?
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its
> future.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly)
> Primefaces
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Walter Mourão
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> http://waltermourao.com.br
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> http://arcadian.com.br
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> http://oriens.com.br
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dominik Dorn
> > http://dominikdorn.com
> > http://twitter.com/domdorn
> >
> > Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>.
Maybe. I mean as far as Rich Renderkits go, Trinidad was one of the
earliest. Many other renderkits got to take advantage of newer
technologies.
When I first started with Trinidad, before the thing moved over to
Apache, the AJAX was still using iframes instead of
HttpServletRequest. :)
On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com> wrote:
> It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
> those used everywhere else
> on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around em).
>
>
> 2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
>>
>>
>> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering Trinidad
>> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
>> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
>>
>> Walter Mourão
>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>> http://arcadian.com.br
>> http://oriens.com.br
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any apparent
>>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial backing
>>> of the other two?
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its future.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly) Primefaces
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>
>>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Mourão
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dominik Dorn
> http://dominikdorn.com
> http://twitter.com/domdorn
>
> Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Dominik Dorn <do...@dominikdorn.com>.
It's maybe that people want fancy JQuery/Javascript components like
those used everywhere else
on the web and primefaces has those (its basically just a wrapper around em).
2011/3/4 Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
>
>
> I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering Trinidad
> support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
> example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
>
> Walter Mourão
> http://waltermourao.com.br
> http://arcadian.com.br
> http://oriens.com.br
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any apparent
>> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial backing
>> of the other two?
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>
>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its future.
>>>
>>
>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly) Primefaces
>>> and
>>>
>>
>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>>>
>>
>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Walter Mourão
>>>
>>
>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>>
>>
>> http://arcadian.com.br
>>>
>>
>> http://oriens.com.br
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Dominik Dorn
http://dominikdorn.com
http://twitter.com/domdorn
Tausche Deine Lernunterlagen auf http://www.studyguru.eu !
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com>.
>
> Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
I don't think so... as far as I know there are companies offering Trinidad
support/consulting (Irian <http://www.irian.at/trinidad_support/>, for
example). Not sure about the level of commitment of these companies.
Walter Mourão
http://waltermourao.com.br
http://arcadian.com.br
http://oriens.com.br
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:49 AM, <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any apparent
> movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial backing
> of the other two?
>
> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>
> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its future.
>>
>
> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly) Primefaces
>> and
>>
>
> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>>
>
> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>>
>
>
>
> Walter Mourão
>>
>
> http://waltermourao.com.br
>>
>
> http://arcadian.com.br
>>
>
> http://oriens.com.br
>>
>
>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>.
I think Trinidad is going to continue to be a viable renderkit now and
in the future personally but a large part of that depends on the
community at large. I would love to see more participation in this
area.
Scott
On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:50 AM, "ascannon01@gmail.com" <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any apparent movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial backing of the other two?
>
> On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>
>> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its future.
>
>> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly) Primefaces and
>
>> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
>
>> Am I right ? What do you think ?
>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>
>
>
>> Walter Mourão
>
>> http://waltermourao.com.br
>
>> http://arcadian.com.br
>
>> http://oriens.com.br
>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Concerns about the future of Trinidad
Posted by as...@gmail.com.
I've had similar concerns. until recently there hadn't been any apparent
movement in Trinidad development. Is this because of the commercial backing
of the other two?
On Mar 4, 2011 5:53am, Walter Mourão <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I'ma happy Trinidad user, so far, but I'ma bit worried about its future.
> I'm seeing the evolution of Icefaces, Richfaces and (mainly) Primefaces
> and
> I feel like Trinidad isn't going with the same pace.
> Am I right ? What do you think ?
> Thanks,
> Walter Mourão
> http://waltermourao.com.br
> http://arcadian.com.br
> http://oriens.com.br