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Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that all mentors
> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
- Sam Ruby
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Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
Sorry about that. Fixed. Thanks for reviewing the output!
- Sam Ruby
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu> wrote:
> John,
>
> I'm a committer and PPMC member for Rya
>
> Adina
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Adina,
>>
>> What podling are you on?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not
>> on
>> > the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
>> > multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are committers
>> on
>> > active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
>> > committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
>> > list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated podlings
>> > are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
>> > those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
>> > implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers for
>> > the purpose of generating the list. (I believe that the assumption that
>> > all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> > > >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net
>> >
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that
>> > all
>> > > >> mentors
>> > > >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
>> > > >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
>> > > >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
>> > > >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
>> > > directly.
>> > > >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the
>> existing
>> > > >> processes.
>> > > >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
>> > > >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > > Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add
>> these
>> > > > individuals.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
>> > >
>> > > >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed
>> as a
>> > > >> committer of any podling"
>> > > >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
>> > > >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
>> > > >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
>> > > >> Does that matter?
>> > > >>
>> > > > I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of
>> adding
>> > > > someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
>> > > > incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already
>> > > graduated
>> > > > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
>> > >
>> > > Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
>> > > updated.
>> > >
>> > > But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
>> > > who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
>> > > may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
>> > > incubator resources and do away with this list.
>> > >
>> > > > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC.
>> I
>> > > feel
>> > > > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but
>> > > unless
>> > > > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from
>> > their
>> > > > mentor roles. What do others think?
>> > >
>> > > The individuals should probably be evaluated separately. As Sebb
>> > > points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
>> > > being added to the IPMC:
>> > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
>> > >
>> > > - Sam Ruby
>> > >
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
>> > Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> > United States Naval Academy
>> > 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822>
>> > adina@usna.edu
>> > http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> United States Naval Academy
> 410-293-6822
> adina@usna.edu
> http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
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Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Alright, we'll have to look, I was hoping it was something obvious but
everything about your setup looks correct. And I should have known which
podling you were on - I think we even met at ACNA.
John
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu> wrote:
> John,
>
> I'm a committer and PPMC member for Rya
>
> Adina
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Adina,
> >
> > What podling are you on?
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not
> > on
> > > the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
> > > multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are
> committers
> > on
> > > active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
> > > committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
> > > list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated
> podlings
> > > are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
> > > those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
> > > implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers
> for
> > > the purpose of generating the list. (I believe that the assumption
> that
> > > all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> wrote:
> > > > >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <
> rubys@intertwingly.net
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption:
> that
> > > all
> > > > >> mentors
> > > > >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> > > > >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
> > > > >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
> > > > >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
> > > > directly.
> > > > >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the
> > existing
> > > > >> processes.
> > > > >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
> > > > >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > > Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add
> > these
> > > > > individuals.
> > > >
> > > > You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
> > > >
> > > > >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed
> > as a
> > > > >> committer of any podling"
> > > > >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
> > > > >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
> > > > >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
> > > > >> Does that matter?
> > > > >>
> > > > > I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of
> > adding
> > > > > someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
> > > > > incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already
> > > > graduated
> > > > > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
> > > >
> > > > Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
> > > > updated.
> > > >
> > > > But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
> > > > who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
> > > > may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
> > > > incubator resources and do away with this list.
> > > >
> > > > > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC.
> > I
> > > > feel
> > > > > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened
> but
> > > > unless
> > > > > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from
> > > their
> > > > > mentor roles. What do others think?
> > > >
> > > > The individuals should probably be evaluated separately. As Sebb
> > > > points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
> > > > being added to the IPMC:
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
> > > >
> > > > - Sam Ruby
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> > > Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > United States Naval Academy
> > > 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822> <(410)%20293-6822>
> > > adina@usna.edu
> > > http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> United States Naval Academy
> 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822>
> adina@usna.edu
> http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
>
Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu>.
John,
I'm a committer and PPMC member for Rya
Adina
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Adina,
>
> What podling are you on?
>
> John
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu> wrote:
>
> > I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not
> on
> > the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
> > multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are committers
> on
> > active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
> > committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
> > list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated podlings
> > are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
> > those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
> > implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers for
> > the purpose of generating the list. (I believe that the assumption that
> > all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> > > >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that
> > all
> > > >> mentors
> > > >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> > > >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
> > > >>
> > > >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
> > > >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
> > > >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
> > > directly.
> > > >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the
> existing
> > > >> processes.
> > > >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
> > > >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > > Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add
> these
> > > > individuals.
> > >
> > > You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
> > >
> > > >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed
> as a
> > > >> committer of any podling"
> > > >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
> > > >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
> > > >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
> > > >> Does that matter?
> > > >>
> > > > I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of
> adding
> > > > someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
> > > > incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already
> > > graduated
> > > > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
> > >
> > > Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
> > > updated.
> > >
> > > But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
> > > who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
> > > may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
> > > incubator resources and do away with this list.
> > >
> > > > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC.
> I
> > > feel
> > > > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but
> > > unless
> > > > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from
> > their
> > > > mentor roles. What do others think?
> > >
> > > The individuals should probably be evaluated separately. As Sebb
> > > points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
> > > being added to the IPMC:
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
> > >
> > > - Sam Ruby
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> > Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > United States Naval Academy
> > 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822>
> > adina@usna.edu
> > http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
> >
>
--
Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
United States Naval Academy
410-293-6822
adina@usna.edu
http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Adina,
What podling are you on?
John
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu> wrote:
> I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not on
> the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
> multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are committers on
> active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
> committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
> list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated podlings
> are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
> those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
> implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers for
> the purpose of generating the list. (I believe that the assumption that
> all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> > >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that
> all
> > >> mentors
> > >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
> > >> >
> > >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> > >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
> > >>
> > >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
> > >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
> > >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
> > directly.
> > >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the existing
> > >> processes.
> > >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
> > >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add these
> > > individuals.
> >
> > You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
> >
> > >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed as a
> > >> committer of any podling"
> > >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
> > >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
> > >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
> > >> Does that matter?
> > >>
> > > I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of adding
> > > someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
> > > incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already
> > graduated
> > > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
> >
> > Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
> > updated.
> >
> > But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
> > who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
> > may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
> > incubator resources and do away with this list.
> >
> > > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC. I
> > feel
> > > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but
> > unless
> > > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from
> their
> > > mentor roles. What do others think?
> >
> > The individuals should probably be evaluated separately. As Sebb
> > points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
> > being added to the IPMC:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> United States Naval Academy
> 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822>
> adina@usna.edu
> http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
>
Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu>.
I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not on
the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are committers on
active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated podlings
are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers for
the purpose of generating the list. (I believe that the assumption that
all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that all
> >> mentors
> >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
> >> >
> >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
> >>
> >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
> >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
> >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
> directly.
> >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the existing
> >> processes.
> >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
> >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
> >>
> >>
> > Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add these
> > individuals.
>
> You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
>
> >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed as a
> >> committer of any podling"
> >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
> >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
> >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
> >> Does that matter?
> >>
> > I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of adding
> > someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
> > incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already
> graduated
> > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
>
> Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
> updated.
>
> But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
> who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
> may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
> incubator resources and do away with this list.
>
> > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC. I
> feel
> > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but
> unless
> > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from their
> > mentor roles. What do others think?
>
> The individuals should probably be evaluated separately. As Sebb
> points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
> being added to the IPMC:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
--
Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
United States Naval Academy
410-293-6822
adina@usna.edu
http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that all
>> mentors
>> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
>> >
>> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
>> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
>>
>> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
>> AFAIK, that should not happen.
>> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings directly.
>> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the existing
>> processes.
>> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
>> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
>>
>>
> Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add these
> individuals.
You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
>> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed as a
>> committer of any podling"
>> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
>> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
>> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
>> Does that matter?
>>
> I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of adding
> someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
> incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already graduated
> but I still had my incubator commit bit.
Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been updated.
But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
incubator resources and do away with this list.
> The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC. I feel
> like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but unless
> those people are members they're probably going to be removed from their
> mentor roles. What do others think?
The individuals should probably be evaluated separately. As Sebb
points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
being added to the IPMC:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
- Sam Ruby
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Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 11 June 2017 at 12:58, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that all
>> mentors
>> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
>> >
>> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
>> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
>>
>> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
>> AFAIK, that should not happen.
>> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings directly.
>> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the existing
>> processes.
>> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
>> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
>>
>>
> Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add these
> individuals.
>
>
>> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed as a
>> committer of any podling"
>> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
>> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
>> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
>> Does that matter?
>>
>>
> I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of adding
> someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
> incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already graduated
> but I still had my incubator commit bit.
>
> The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC. I feel
> like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but unless
> those people are members they're probably going to be removed from their
> mentor roles. What do others think?
The only one not currently an ASF member is:
https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committer/devaraj
>
>> > - Sam Ruby
>> >
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Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that all
> mentors
> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
> >
> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
>
> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
> AFAIK, that should not happen.
> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings directly.
> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the existing
> processes.
> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
>
>
Agreed. I appreciate the concise report. We should plan to add these
individuals.
> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed as a
> committer of any podling"
> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
> Does that matter?
>
>
I was thinking about this. I think I mis-stated the behavior of adding
someone to the PPMC. There is no requirement to remove them from
incubator. That's actually how I got started, my podling already graduated
but I still had my incubator commit bit.
The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC. I feel
like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but unless
those people are members they're probably going to be removed from their
mentor roles. What do others think?
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
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Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>
>> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that all mentors
>> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
>
> Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
"Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
AFAIK, that should not happen.
Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings directly.
New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the existing processes.
I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
"Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed as a
committer of any podling"
Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
incubation, so this list will continue growing.
Does that matter?
> - Sam Ruby
>
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