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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Qing Lan <la...@live.com> on 2020/08/05 01:49:03 UTC

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Hi Justin,

I am here to response the issues you mentioned in [2] [3] and [5].

For [2] and [5], I monitored the DJL project that addressed the folliowing:


  1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from documentation where it necessary
  2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL” to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for clarification
  3.  Other necessary changes to address the concerns

For [3], this package contains no source code from Apache MXNet and only contains the binary that built from source through the Apache MXNet source code without modification. It also brought necessary License and binary attribution from Apache MXNet. Hope this can help unblock Apache MXNet release.

Thanks,
Qing

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From: Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 18:27
To: general@incubator.apache.org <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Hi,

-1 (binding) as this release contains code that hasn’t gone though IP clearance (mshadow).

I checked:
- incubating in name
- disclaimer exists
- LICENSE and NOTICE have improved but I did not do an exhaustive check
-  No unexpected binary file
- ASF files have ASF headers
- unable to compile from source

It also seems that this code may have been released before the PPMC/IPMC vote is over see [1][2][3][4] There are also branding and trademark issue with this site [5] This is in addition to the issues previously noted with releases, branding and trademarks.[6]

Thanks,
Justin


1. https://sourceforge.net/projects/apache-mxnet.mirror/
2. https://repo.gradle.org/gradle/simple/repo/ai/djl/mxnet/mxnet-native-mkl/1.7.0-b/
3. https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/ai.djl.mxnet
4. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=nd&K=mxnet&SB=v&SO=d&PP=50&do_Search=Go
5. https://djl.ai
6. https://jira.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-253
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Hi -

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> 1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from documentation where it necessary
>> 2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL” to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for clarification
> 
> Thanks for doing that. ASF generally prefers “powdered by” so I would double check with trademarks (trademarks@a.o) if this is acceptable use. [1]

That’s “Powered by”, but “for” can also be acceptable. Agreed that trademark@ is the place for the PPMC to ask.

Regards,
Dave

> 
>> For [3], this package contains no source code from Apache MXNet and only contains the binary that built from source through the Apache MXNet source code without modification. It also brought necessary License and binary attribution from Apache MXNet.
> 
> I still have some concerns here’s for instance is a page [2] that says:
>    • The binaries are built from source from Apache MXNet without modification.
>    • The binaries are obtained from the Apache MXNet python pip wheel.
> 
> The issue here is those pip “releases" contain unreleased versions of Apache MxNet [2] and probably should not have been released by the MXNet project and shouldn’t be used by the general public. [4] ("must not be distributed through channels which encourage use by anyone outside the project development community”)
> 
> There is currently a draft policy on downstream distribution [5] but I don’t think it covers this situation. Now I would agree that the ALv2 allow you to use Apache MXNet code, even if it is unreleased, but I’m not sure if you can say the the resulting product is “for MXNet". That may be need a discussion on the legal@a.o or trademarks@a.o lists.
> 
> And to be clear this is not really a DJL issue at this point, it's more an issue for the PPMC of MXNet to sort out.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#products
> 2. https://djl.ai/mxnet/native/
> 3. https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/#history
> 4. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution#unreleased
> 5. http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/downstream.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: RE: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Posted by "Chen, Ciyong" <ci...@intel.com>.
Hello community and IPMC,

We're pending on the binding votes to move forward, appreciated if anyone could help on this release. Thanks!

Regards,
Ciyong

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org> 
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 1:07 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: RE: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

+1 carried from vote on dev@ [1].

-sz

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r28fbcad28a0a29c1b40edf4d3898d09946801b663cf103ad59a9bce2%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E

On 2020/08/11 05:21:39, "Chen, Ciyong" <ci...@intel.com> wrote: 
> Thank you Sheng and all for removing the blocker for the release.
> 
> Dear Community,
> 
> As the vote is resumed, please take your time to verify and vote on the upcoming release for Apache MXNet(incubating).
> I copied the content from the original vote mail for your reference.
> 
> This is a call for a releasing Apache MXNet (incubating) 1.7.0, release candidate 1.
> 
> Apache MXNet (incubating) community has voted and approved the release.
> 
> Vote thread:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r525a961a10f69bdfb255c64f0be0589b
> b70efdd880c1be87c81c0c06%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
> 
> Result thread:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rbd53614ca01f714d00097a02d9068952
> 11336a14ce0e083865cf5144%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
> 
> The source tarball, including signatures, digests, etc. can be found at:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mxnet/1.7.0.rc1
> 
> The tag to be voted upon is 1.7.0.rc1:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases/tag/1.7.0.rc1
> 
> The release hash is 64f737cdd59fe88d2c5b479f25d011c5156b6a8a:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/commit/64f737cdd59fe88d2c5b4
> 79f25d011c5156b6a8a
> 
> KEYS file available:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mxnet/KEYS
> 
> For information about the contents of this release, see:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/1.7.0+Release+Notes
> 
> The vote will be open for 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 release this package as ######### [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 do not release this package because...
> 
> Best regards,
> Ciyong Chen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sheng Zha <sz...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:36 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 
> 1.7.0.rc1
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Since the IP clearance for MShadow has passed [1] and third-party release issues are either resolved or tracked in INCUBATOR-253, let's resume this vote.
> 
> Here's my +1 carried from vote on dev@ [2].
> 
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rd6ad9de26c0f523db4264e2fe46b0db5
> e5ad6c5f614b7152352161ab%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r28fbcad28a0a29c1b40edf4d3898d099
> 46801b663cf103ad59a9bce2%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:55 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Justin Mclean 
> > <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > >  1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from 
> > > > documentation
> > > where it necessary
> > > >  2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL”
> > > to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for 
> > > clarification
> > >
> > > Thanks for doing that. ASF generally prefers “powdered by” so I 
> > > would double check with trademarks (trademarks@a.o) if this is acceptable use.
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> > The brand management committee has no issue with "Deep Java Library
> > (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXnet" as it's nominative use[1] and 
> > has been documented as such.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#other
> >
> 

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Re: RE: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Posted by Sheng Zha <zh...@apache.org>.
+1 carried from vote on dev@ [1].

-sz

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r28fbcad28a0a29c1b40edf4d3898d09946801b663cf103ad59a9bce2%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E

On 2020/08/11 05:21:39, "Chen, Ciyong" <ci...@intel.com> wrote: 
> Thank you Sheng and all for removing the blocker for the release.
> 
> Dear Community,
> 
> As the vote is resumed, please take your time to verify and vote on the upcoming release for Apache MXNet(incubating).
> I copied the content from the original vote mail for your reference.
> 
> This is a call for a releasing Apache MXNet (incubating) 1.7.0, release candidate 1.
> 
> Apache MXNet (incubating) community has voted and approved the release.
> 
> Vote thread:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r525a961a10f69bdfb255c64f0be0589bb70efdd880c1be87c81c0c06%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
> 
> Result thread:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rbd53614ca01f714d00097a02d906895211336a14ce0e083865cf5144%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
> 
> The source tarball, including signatures, digests, etc. can be found at:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mxnet/1.7.0.rc1
> 
> The tag to be voted upon is 1.7.0.rc1:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases/tag/1.7.0.rc1
> 
> The release hash is 64f737cdd59fe88d2c5b479f25d011c5156b6a8a:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/commit/64f737cdd59fe88d2c5b479f25d011c5156b6a8a
> 
> KEYS file available:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mxnet/KEYS
> 
> For information about the contents of this release, see:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/1.7.0+Release+Notes
> 
> The vote will be open for 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 release this package as ######### [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 do not release this package because...
> 
> Best regards,
> Ciyong Chen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sheng Zha <sz...@gmail.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:36 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Since the IP clearance for MShadow has passed [1] and third-party release issues are either resolved or tracked in INCUBATOR-253, let's resume this vote.
> 
> Here's my +1 carried from vote on dev@ [2].
> 
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rd6ad9de26c0f523db4264e2fe46b0db5e5ad6c5f614b7152352161ab%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r28fbcad28a0a29c1b40edf4d3898d09946801b663cf103ad59a9bce2%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:55 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Justin Mclean 
> > <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > >  1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from 
> > > > documentation
> > > where it necessary
> > > >  2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL”
> > > to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for 
> > > clarification
> > >
> > > Thanks for doing that. ASF generally prefers “powdered by” so I 
> > > would double check with trademarks (trademarks@a.o) if this is acceptable use.
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> > The brand management committee has no issue with "Deep Java Library 
> > (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXnet" as it's nominative use[1] and 
> > has been documented as such.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#other
> >
> 

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RE: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Posted by "Chen, Ciyong" <ci...@intel.com>.
Thank you Sheng and all for removing the blocker for the release.

Dear Community,

As the vote is resumed, please take your time to verify and vote on the upcoming release for Apache MXNet(incubating).
I copied the content from the original vote mail for your reference.

This is a call for a releasing Apache MXNet (incubating) 1.7.0, release candidate 1.

Apache MXNet (incubating) community has voted and approved the release.

Vote thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r525a961a10f69bdfb255c64f0be0589bb70efdd880c1be87c81c0c06%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E

Result thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rbd53614ca01f714d00097a02d906895211336a14ce0e083865cf5144%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E

The source tarball, including signatures, digests, etc. can be found at:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mxnet/1.7.0.rc1

The tag to be voted upon is 1.7.0.rc1:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/releases/tag/1.7.0.rc1

The release hash is 64f737cdd59fe88d2c5b479f25d011c5156b6a8a:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/commit/64f737cdd59fe88d2c5b479f25d011c5156b6a8a

KEYS file available:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mxnet/KEYS

For information about the contents of this release, see:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/1.7.0+Release+Notes

The vote will be open for 72 hours.
[ ] +1 release this package as ######### [ ] +0 no opinion [ ] -1 do not release this package because...

Best regards,
Ciyong Chen

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheng Zha <sz...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:36 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Hi,

Since the IP clearance for MShadow has passed [1] and third-party release issues are either resolved or tracked in INCUBATOR-253, let's resume this vote.

Here's my +1 carried from vote on dev@ [2].

[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rd6ad9de26c0f523db4264e2fe46b0db5e5ad6c5f614b7152352161ab%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r28fbcad28a0a29c1b40edf4d3898d09946801b663cf103ad59a9bce2%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:55 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Justin Mclean 
> <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > >  1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from 
> > > documentation
> > where it necessary
> > >  2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL”
> > to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for 
> > clarification
> >
> > Thanks for doing that. ASF generally prefers “powdered by” so I 
> > would double check with trademarks (trademarks@a.o) if this is acceptable use.
> > [1]
> >
>
> The brand management committee has no issue with "Deep Java Library 
> (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXnet" as it's nominative use[1] and 
> has been documented as such.
>
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#other
>

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Posted by Sheng Zha <sz...@gmail.com>.
Hi,

Since the IP clearance for MShadow has passed [1] and third-party release
issues are either resolved or tracked in INCUBATOR-253, let's resume this
vote.

Here's my +1 carried from vote on dev@ [2].

[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rd6ad9de26c0f523db4264e2fe46b0db5e5ad6c5f614b7152352161ab%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r28fbcad28a0a29c1b40edf4d3898d09946801b663cf103ad59a9bce2%40%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:55 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > >  1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from documentation
> > where it necessary
> > >  2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL”
> > to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for
> > clarification
> >
> > Thanks for doing that. ASF generally prefers “powdered by” so I would
> > double check with trademarks (trademarks@a.o) if this is acceptable use.
> > [1]
> >
>
> The brand management committee has no issue with "Deep Java Library (DJL)
> Engine Adapter for Apache MXnet" as it's nominative use[1] and has been
> documented as such.
>
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#other
>

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> >  1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from documentation
> where it necessary
> >  2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL”
> to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for
> clarification
>
> Thanks for doing that. ASF generally prefers “powdered by” so I would
> double check with trademarks (trademarks@a.o) if this is acceptable use.
> [1]
>

The brand management committee has no issue with "Deep Java Library (DJL)
Engine Adapter for Apache MXnet" as it's nominative use[1] and has been
documented as such.


[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#other

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,

>  1.  Change all MXNet to Apache MXNet (incubating) from documentation where it necessary
>  2.  Change maven package description ” MXNet Engine Adapter for DJL” to  "Deep Java Library (DJL) Engine Adapter for Apache MXNet" for clarification

Thanks for doing that. ASF generally prefers “powdered by” so I would double check with trademarks (trademarks@a.o) if this is acceptable use. [1]

> For [3], this package contains no source code from Apache MXNet and only contains the binary that built from source through the Apache MXNet source code without modification. It also brought necessary License and binary attribution from Apache MXNet.

I still have some concerns here’s for instance is a page [2] that says:
	• The binaries are built from source from Apache MXNet without modification.
	• The binaries are obtained from the Apache MXNet python pip wheel.

The issue here is those pip “releases" contain unreleased versions of Apache MxNet [2] and probably should not have been released by the MXNet project and shouldn’t be used by the general public. [4] ("must not be distributed through channels which encourage use by anyone outside the project development community”)

There is currently a draft policy on downstream distribution [5] but I don’t think it covers this situation. Now I would agree that the ALv2 allow you to use Apache MXNet code, even if it is unreleased, but I’m not sure if you can say the the resulting product is “for MXNet". That may be need a discussion on the legal@a.o or trademarks@a.o lists.

And to be clear this is not really a DJL issue at this point, it's more an issue for the PPMC of MXNet to sort out.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#products
2. https://djl.ai/mxnet/native/
3. https://pypi.org/project/mxnet/#history
4. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution#unreleased
5. http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/downstream.html





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