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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> on 2013/02/07 23:47:00 UTC
ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
Here is how I propose we fix this:
For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
a. Gather list of ideas
b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
c. Pick the best voted ideas
d. Assign the duties and roles
e. Conquer - one at a time
f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
g. Blog with SEO in mind
2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
i. Basic ACS POC setup
ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
iii. Hosting environment
iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
4) Host local user group meetups
a. Show CS and help others
5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
b. IronFondry
c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
d. Become part of major distributions
e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
* Next Steps to make this happen:
o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
o Help lead this effort as well as participate
Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
Thanks
ilya
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>.
I think we need to revisit the layout of cwiki ...
Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
On 12.02.2013 12:18, David Nalley wrote:
> I had the same problem, but found it here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=30744222
Right, cheers for that. I guess pages like that needs to be more easy
to find, otherwise they as good as nonexisting.
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
On 12.02.2013 12:18, David Nalley wrote:
> I had the same problem, but found it here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=30744222
Right, cheers for that. I guess pages like that needs to be more easy
to find, otherwise they as good as nonexisting.
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> On 11.02.2013 23:02, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
>>
>> BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated
>> the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company
>> logo - due to legal reasons.
>
>
> This seems to raise another issue: where is this page? Googling for "Who is
> using CloudStack" returns nothing conclusive.
>
> Lucian
>
I had the same problem, but found it here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=30744222
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
On 11.02.2013 23:02, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
> BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated
> the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company
> logo - due to legal reasons.
This seems to raise another issue: where is this page? Googling for
"Who is using CloudStack" returns nothing conclusive.
Lucian
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>.
I'm aiming for making 1 CS video per week and writing as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:46 AM
To: Musayev, Ilya
Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:02 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> Sebastien,
>
> Agreed with all your comments, joining the cloudstack-marketing list now.
>
> BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company logo - due to legal reasons.
>
> In my world, anything that has to go through legal is like throwing a request into a deep hole - and pray that at somepoint the request comes back and when it does.
>
Could you write something has an individual ?
> Regards
> ilya
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM
> To: Musayev, Ilya
> Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
>
>> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>>
>> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>>
>> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>>
>> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>>
>> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>>
>> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>>
>> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>>
>>
>> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>>
>> a. Gather list of ideas
>>
>> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>>
>> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>>
>> d. Assign the duties and roles
>>
>> e. Conquer - one at a time
>>
>> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>>
>
> This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
>
> They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
> http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
>
> All videos from CCC have been posted at:
> http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
>
>
>> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>>
>> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>>
>> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>>
>> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>>
>> iii. Hosting environment
>>
>> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>>
>>
>
> I have asked for screencast/demo at:
> http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
>>
>> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>>
>> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>>
>> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>>
>> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) Host local user group meet ups
>
> Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
>>
>> a. Show CS and help others
>>
>>
>
> This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
> http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
>
> My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
> Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
>
> Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
>
>
>>
>> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>>
>> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
> http://cloudevangelist.org
>
>
>>
>> b. IronFondry
>>
>> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>>
>> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> There was also a thread on this:
> http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
>>
>> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>>
>>
>
> Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
> http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
>
>>
>> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>>
>> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>>
>> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>>
>> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>>
>>
>> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>>
>> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>>
>> Thanks
>> ilya
>
> The bottom line to me is very simple:
> We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
> http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
>
> Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
>
> Easy :)
>
>
>
>
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>.
I'm aiming for making 1 CS video per week and writing as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:46 AM
To: Musayev, Ilya
Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:02 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> Sebastien,
>
> Agreed with all your comments, joining the cloudstack-marketing list now.
>
> BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company logo - due to legal reasons.
>
> In my world, anything that has to go through legal is like throwing a request into a deep hole - and pray that at somepoint the request comes back and when it does.
>
Could you write something has an individual ?
> Regards
> ilya
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM
> To: Musayev, Ilya
> Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
>
>> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>>
>> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>>
>> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>>
>> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>>
>> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>>
>> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>>
>> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>>
>>
>> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>>
>> a. Gather list of ideas
>>
>> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>>
>> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>>
>> d. Assign the duties and roles
>>
>> e. Conquer - one at a time
>>
>> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>>
>
> This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
>
> They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
> http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
>
> All videos from CCC have been posted at:
> http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
>
>
>> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>>
>> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>>
>> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>>
>> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>>
>> iii. Hosting environment
>>
>> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>>
>>
>
> I have asked for screencast/demo at:
> http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
>>
>> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>>
>> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>>
>> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>>
>> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) Host local user group meet ups
>
> Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
>>
>> a. Show CS and help others
>>
>>
>
> This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
> http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
>
> My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
> Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
>
> Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
>
>
>>
>> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>>
>> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
> http://cloudevangelist.org
>
>
>>
>> b. IronFondry
>>
>> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>>
>> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> There was also a thread on this:
> http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
>>
>> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>>
>>
>
> Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
> http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
>
>>
>> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>>
>> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>>
>> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>>
>> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>>
>>
>> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>>
>> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>>
>> Thanks
>> ilya
>
> The bottom line to me is very simple:
> We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
> http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
>
> Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
>
> Easy :)
>
>
>
>
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:02 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> Sebastien,
>
> Agreed with all your comments, joining the cloudstack-marketing list now.
>
> BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company logo - due to legal reasons.
>
> In my world, anything that has to go through legal is like throwing a request into a deep hole - and pray that at somepoint the request comes back and when it does.
>
Could you write something has an individual ?
> Regards
> ilya
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM
> To: Musayev, Ilya
> Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
>
>> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>>
>> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>>
>> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>>
>> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>>
>> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>>
>> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>>
>> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>>
>>
>> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>>
>> a. Gather list of ideas
>>
>> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>>
>> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>>
>> d. Assign the duties and roles
>>
>> e. Conquer - one at a time
>>
>> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>>
>
> This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
>
> They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
> http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
>
> All videos from CCC have been posted at:
> http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
>
>
>> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>>
>> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>>
>> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>>
>> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>>
>> iii. Hosting environment
>>
>> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>>
>>
>
> I have asked for screencast/demo at:
> http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
>>
>> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>>
>> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>>
>> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>>
>> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) Host local user group meet ups
>
> Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
>>
>> a. Show CS and help others
>>
>>
>
> This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
> http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
>
> My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
> Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
>
> Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
>
>
>>
>> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>>
>> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
> http://cloudevangelist.org
>
>
>>
>> b. IronFondry
>>
>> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>>
>> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> There was also a thread on this:
> http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
>>
>> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>>
>>
>
> Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
> http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
>
>>
>> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>>
>> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>>
>> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>>
>> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>>
>>
>> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>>
>> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>>
>> Thanks
>> ilya
>
> The bottom line to me is very simple:
> We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
> http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
>
> Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
>
> Easy :)
>
>
>
>
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:02 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> Sebastien,
>
> Agreed with all your comments, joining the cloudstack-marketing list now.
>
> BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company logo - due to legal reasons.
>
> In my world, anything that has to go through legal is like throwing a request into a deep hole - and pray that at somepoint the request comes back and when it does.
>
Could you write something has an individual ?
> Regards
> ilya
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM
> To: Musayev, Ilya
> Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
>
>> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>>
>> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>>
>> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>>
>> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>>
>> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>>
>> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>>
>> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>>
>>
>> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>>
>> a. Gather list of ideas
>>
>> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>>
>> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>>
>> d. Assign the duties and roles
>>
>> e. Conquer - one at a time
>>
>> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>>
>
> This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
>
> They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
> http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
>
> All videos from CCC have been posted at:
> http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
>
>
>> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>>
>> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>>
>> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>>
>> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>>
>> iii. Hosting environment
>>
>> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>>
>>
>
> I have asked for screencast/demo at:
> http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
>>
>> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>>
>> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>>
>> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>>
>> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) Host local user group meet ups
>
> Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
>>
>> a. Show CS and help others
>>
>>
>
> This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
> http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
>
> My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
> Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
>
> Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
>
>
>>
>> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>>
>> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
> http://cloudevangelist.org
>
>
>>
>> b. IronFondry
>>
>> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>>
>> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> There was also a thread on this:
> http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
>>
>> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>>
>>
>
> Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
> http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
>
>>
>> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>>
>> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>>
>> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>>
>> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>>
>>
>> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>>
>> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>>
>> Thanks
>> ilya
>
> The bottom line to me is very simple:
> We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
> http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
>
> Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
>
> Easy :)
>
>
>
>
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>.
Sebastien,
Agreed with all your comments, joining the cloudstack-marketing list now.
BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company logo - due to legal reasons.
In my world, anything that has to go through legal is like throwing a request into a deep hole - and pray that at somepoint the request comes back and when it does.
Regards
ilya
-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM
To: Musayev, Ilya
Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
All videos from CCC have been posted at:
http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
I have asked for screencast/demo at:
http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meet ups
Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
http://cloudevangelist.org
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
There was also a thread on this:
http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
The bottom line to me is very simple:
We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
Easy :)
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>.
Sebastien,
Agreed with all your comments, joining the cloudstack-marketing list now.
BTW, I could mention that we are cloudstack user - and I did updated the page of "Who is using CloudStack", I just cant put the company logo - due to legal reasons.
In my world, anything that has to go through legal is like throwing a request into a deep hole - and pray that at somepoint the request comes back and when it does.
Regards
ilya
-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:runseb@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM
To: Musayev, Ilya
Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
All videos from CCC have been posted at:
http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
I have asked for screencast/demo at:
http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meet ups
Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
http://cloudevangelist.org
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
There was also a thread on this:
http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
The bottom line to me is very simple:
We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
Easy :)
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
All videos from CCC have been posted at:
http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
I have asked for screencast/demo at:
http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meet ups
Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
http://cloudevangelist.org
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
There was also a thread on this:
http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
The bottom line to me is very simple:
We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
Easy :)
RE: Marketing Wiki Page (was Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP
IS NEEDED)
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
+1 good idea
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Brockmeier [mailto:jzb@zonker.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:12 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Marketing Wiki Page (was Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS
> NEEDED)
>
> Hey all,
>
> A couple of things on this:
>
> - I've moved up the marketing page in the wiki so it's now a top-level
> page:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Marketing
>
> It'd be good to capture things that are works-in-progress there so
> anyone can easily find them.
>
> The cloudstack-marketing list is now live. To subscribe send an email
> to:
>
> cloudstack-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
>
> I will also send an email to -dev and -users for folks who might not be
> following this thread.
>
> More in-line:
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 04:47 PM, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
> > To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one
> major
> > flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing
> > we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but
> > barely used.
>
> CloudStack isn't like BSD, though: It is used in production quite a bit,
> though folks don't speak about it as much as we'ld like.
>
> > We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack,
> I'm
> > not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go
> > for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the
> > approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the
> > buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way
> > - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and
> > maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do
> > better.
>
> Let's focus on promoting CloudStack rather than worrying about how much
> love other projects get.
>
> > b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what
> > can be done better
>
> Sure - when do you propose?
>
> > f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use
> > existing means and other social media
>
> We have these, but we need to get a social media policy in place.
>
> > g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
> Do we have specific ideas here?
>
> > 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I
> > can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at
> > the moment
>
> This isn't a bad idea, but it's a bit beyond "marketing" and might be
> biting off quite a bit at first start.
>
> > b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any
> > documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than
> > none
>
> Sort of - this also gets into documentation, which we could also improve
> - but I'd like to see us take a more organized approach to documentation
> than "just copy and paste from mailing list". Unsorted information isn't
> much more useful than information scattered on the mailing list.
>
> > 4) Host local user group meetups
>
> Yes, definitely.
>
> One of the reasons I started the creation of the marketing list is that
> I am working on getting some "meetup in a box" stuff together and didn't
> want to flood the -dev list with that project.
>
> > o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills
> > and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't
> > have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
> >
> > o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> Did you have any ideas on this? We already do the weekly meeting at
> 17:00 UTC on Wednesdays. Not sure if it makes sense to schedule a
> marketing meeting close to that or not.
>
> Best,
>
> jzb
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Marketing Wiki Page (was Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS
NEEDED)
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
Hey all,
A couple of things on this:
- I've moved up the marketing page in the wiki so it's now a top-level
page:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Marketing
It'd be good to capture things that are works-in-progress there so
anyone can easily find them.
The cloudstack-marketing list is now live. To subscribe send an email
to:
cloudstack-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
I will also send an email to -dev and -users for folks who might not be
following this thread.
More in-line:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013, at 04:47 PM, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major
> flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing
> we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but
> barely used.
CloudStack isn't like BSD, though: It is used in production quite a bit,
though folks don't speak about it as much as we'ld like.
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm
> not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go
> for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the
> approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the
> buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way
> - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and
> maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do
> better.
Let's focus on promoting CloudStack rather than worrying about how much
love other projects get.
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what
> can be done better
Sure - when do you propose?
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use
> existing means and other social media
We have these, but we need to get a social media policy in place.
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
Do we have specific ideas here?
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I
> can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at
> the moment
This isn't a bad idea, but it's a bit beyond "marketing" and might be
biting off quite a bit at first start.
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any
> documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than
> none
Sort of - this also gets into documentation, which we could also improve
- but I'd like to see us take a more organized approach to documentation
than "just copy and paste from mailing list". Unsorted information isn't
much more useful than information scattered on the mailing list.
> 4) Host local user group meetups
Yes, definitely.
One of the reasons I started the creation of the marketing list is that
I am working on getting some "meetup in a box" stuff together and didn't
want to flood the -dev list with that project.
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills
> and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't
> have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
Did you have any ideas on this? We already do the weekly meeting at
17:00 UTC on Wednesdays. Not sure if it makes sense to schedule a
marketing meeting close to that or not.
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
This is great, I just want to point out that we have talked about a few of these items already:
They already exist (from prior Apache move) and we talked about it:
http://markmail.org/thread/p3awdls6khvvtyzk
All videos from CCC have been posted at:
http://www.youtube.com/diycloudcomputing
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
I have asked for screencast/demo at:
http://markmail.org/thread/j4dv4wt2xkhqv73v
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meet ups
Personnally, I attend and speak at JUG in France/Geneva region. I was just at the Grenoble JUG last week and I am heading to Edinburgh JUG in March 27.
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
This is what we try to do with buildacloud.org (former cloudstack.org):
http://buildacloud.org/blog/202-bacd-ghent-summary-and-slides.html
My question to all the CloudStack users reading this is how can we get all of you to speak out about your deployments.
Write a blog describing your use case, how you use CloudStack and why you love it ?
Not to pick on you Ilya, but If I google for "cloudstack webmd" it only returns links to the mailing list. So what prevents you from writing about how you use CloudStack ? What can we do as a community to get you to write about CloudStack ?
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
As an example, see my podcast with redhat during FOSDEM where I reach out to delta cloud:
http://cloudevangelist.org
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
There was also a thread on this:
http://markmail.org/thread/3nm2g7elvoxek7ga
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
Momentum is building, at least in France it's picking up nicely:
http://ies.ikoula.com/cloud-prive
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
The bottom line to me is very simple:
We need everyone on this list to write a blog about how they use cloudstack or develop on cloudstack:
http://sebgoa.blogspot.com
Then we need to tweet the hell out of it :)
Easy :)
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Tariq Iqbal <ta...@shapeblue.com>.
Great initiative, and I am happy to join in and help.
Let us know when the first meeting will be.
Regards,
Tariq Iqbal
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447909911600
tariq.iqbal@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
Sent: 08 February 2013 16:13
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Musayev, Ilya <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meetups
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
This is indeed great initiative, and I am happy to join in and help.
Let us know when the first meeting will be and lets start tackling some of this stuff.
--David
ShapeBlue provides a range of strategic and technical consulting and implementation services to help IT Service Providers and Enterprises to build a true IaaS compute cloud. ShapeBlue’s expertise, combined with CloudStack technology, allows IT Service Providers and Enterprises to deliver true, utility based, IaaS to the customer or end-user.
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RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Tariq Iqbal <ta...@shapeblue.com>.
Great initiative, and I am happy to join in and help.
Let us know when the first meeting will be.
Regards,
Tariq Iqbal
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447909911600
tariq.iqbal@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: David Nalley [mailto:david@gnsa.us]
Sent: 08 February 2013 16:13
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Musayev, Ilya <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meetups
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
This is indeed great initiative, and I am happy to join in and help.
Let us know when the first meeting will be and lets start tackling some of this stuff.
--David
ShapeBlue provides a range of strategic and technical consulting and implementation services to help IT Service Providers and Enterprises to build a true IaaS compute cloud. ShapeBlue’s expertise, combined with CloudStack technology, allows IT Service Providers and Enterprises to deliver true, utility based, IaaS to the customer or end-user.
________________________________
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Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Musayev, Ilya <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meetups
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
This is indeed great initiative, and I am happy to join in and help.
Let us know when the first meeting will be and lets start tackling
some of this stuff.
--David
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 10:47:00PM +0000, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
Great ideas Ilya, and great initiative!
I'd be happy to participate and help. I'll leave plenty of room for others to
take the lead on these initiatives, but I'm more than willing to help
where I can.
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>.
Sonny,
I agree with you, the CS design is very good and keeping it in line with incubating site - would be even better.
Thanks for the awesome work, can't wait to see it.
Ilya
-----Original Message-----
From: Sonny Chhen [mailto:Sonny.Chhen@citrix.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:14 PM
To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Hey Ilya,
I'm playing around with redesigning the current incubation site for people who are onboarding or want to learn about CloudStack for the first time. I'll send out a design proposal and plan on discussing this with Joe, Mark, David as to how we can get this off the ground. CloudStack has a pretty good ui design and we might as well try to extend this sense of design to all other aspects of CloudStack(from marketing, social, documentation, etc...)
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
Sonny H. Chhen
Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems - CloudPlatform
4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusayev@webmd.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:47 PM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
Here is how I propose we fix this:
For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
a. Gather list of ideas
b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
c. Pick the best voted ideas
d. Assign the duties and roles
e. Conquer - one at a time
f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
g. Blog with SEO in mind
2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
i. Basic ACS POC setup
ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
iii. Hosting environment
iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
4) Host local user group meetups
a. Show CS and help others
5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
b. IronFondry
c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
d. Become part of major distributions
e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
* Next Steps to make this happen:
o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
o Help lead this effort as well as participate
Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
Thanks
ilya
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by "Musayev, Ilya" <im...@webmd.net>.
Sonny,
I agree with you, the CS design is very good and keeping it in line with incubating site - would be even better.
Thanks for the awesome work, can't wait to see it.
Ilya
-----Original Message-----
From: Sonny Chhen [mailto:Sonny.Chhen@citrix.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:14 PM
To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Hey Ilya,
I'm playing around with redesigning the current incubation site for people who are onboarding or want to learn about CloudStack for the first time. I'll send out a design proposal and plan on discussing this with Joe, Mark, David as to how we can get this off the ground. CloudStack has a pretty good ui design and we might as well try to extend this sense of design to all other aspects of CloudStack(from marketing, social, documentation, etc...)
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
Sonny H. Chhen
Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems - CloudPlatform
4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusayev@webmd.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:47 PM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
Here is how I propose we fix this:
For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
a. Gather list of ideas
b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
c. Pick the best voted ideas
d. Assign the duties and roles
e. Conquer - one at a time
f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
g. Blog with SEO in mind
2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
i. Basic ACS POC setup
ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
iii. Hosting environment
iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
4) Host local user group meetups
a. Show CS and help others
5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
b. IronFondry
c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
d. Become part of major distributions
e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
* Next Steps to make this happen:
o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
o Help lead this effort as well as participate
Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
Thanks
ilya
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Sonny Chhen <So...@citrix.com>.
Hey Ilya,
I'm playing around with redesigning the current incubation site for people who are onboarding or want to learn about CloudStack for the first time. I'll send out a design proposal and plan on discussing this with Joe, Mark, David as to how we can get this off the ground. CloudStack has a pretty good ui design and we might as well try to extend this sense of design to all other aspects of CloudStack(from marketing, social, documentation, etc...)
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
Sonny H. Chhen
Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems - CloudPlatform
4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusayev@webmd.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:47 PM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
Here is how I propose we fix this:
For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
a. Gather list of ideas
b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
c. Pick the best voted ideas
d. Assign the duties and roles
e. Conquer - one at a time
f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
g. Blog with SEO in mind
2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
i. Basic ACS POC setup
ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
iii. Hosting environment
iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
4) Host local user group meetups
a. Show CS and help others
5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
b. IronFondry
c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
d. Become part of major distributions
e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
* Next Steps to make this happen:
o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
o Help lead this effort as well as participate
Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
Thanks
ilya
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 10:47:00PM +0000, Musayev, Ilya wrote:
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
Great ideas Ilya, and great initiative!
I'd be happy to participate and help. I'll leave plenty of room for others to
take the lead on these initiatives, but I'm more than willing to help
where I can.
RE: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by Sonny Chhen <So...@citrix.com>.
Hey Ilya,
I'm playing around with redesigning the current incubation site for people who are onboarding or want to learn about CloudStack for the first time. I'll send out a design proposal and plan on discussing this with Joe, Mark, David as to how we can get this off the ground. CloudStack has a pretty good ui design and we might as well try to extend this sense of design to all other aspects of CloudStack(from marketing, social, documentation, etc...)
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
Sonny H. Chhen
Manager of User Interface & User Experience | Citrix Systems - CloudPlatform
4988 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusayev@webmd.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:47 PM
To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
Here is how I propose we fix this:
For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
a. Gather list of ideas
b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
c. Pick the best voted ideas
d. Assign the duties and roles
e. Conquer - one at a time
f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
g. Blog with SEO in mind
2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
i. Basic ACS POC setup
ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
iii. Hosting environment
iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
4) Host local user group meetups
a. Show CS and help others
5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
b. IronFondry
c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
d. Become part of major distributions
e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
* Next Steps to make this happen:
o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
o Help lead this effort as well as participate
Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
Thanks
ilya
Re: ACS - Better Marketing - YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Musayev, Ilya <im...@webmd.net> wrote:
> To be completely honest, CloudStack is an awesome product, with one major flow - it's a "best kept secret" not too many know about. The last thing we want to see is for CS to become like BSD (awesome and stable) but barely used.
>
> I'm not Citrix employee, I will speak freely - so pardon my honesty.
>
> We lose the market to a peer pressure phenomenon known as OpenStack, I'm not saying OS is bad by any means, but realistically, many companies go for OS - because thats what everyone talks about, they don't use the approach of what is right for my environment, instead they go for the buzzword. Not many can actually get OS to work - in true open source way - and end up paying for various companies to make it work for them and maintain as well. We need to get the word out there for CS - we can do better.
>
> For the most part, (my strong opinion based on where I worked in past) I can say that in most use cases for small, mid and large size companies, CS is a better fit.
>
> Bad marketing, works against everyone's interest. Anything from future job opportunity - to actually working with a product that is simply great, stable and feature rich.
>
> Here is how I propose we fix this:
>
> For each of the bullet points below - we assign leads that work with contributors.
>
>
> 1) Create an ACS social media marketing team - We NEED social media attention
>
> a. Gather list of ideas
>
> b. Meet regularly on IRC to follow up on progress and discuss what can be done better
>
> c. Pick the best voted ideas
>
> d. Assign the duties and roles
>
> e. Conquer - one at a time
>
> f. Create Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube Channels or use existing means and other social media
>
> g. Blog with SEO in mind
>
>
>
> 2) Show the world how you can get ACS to work in your environment on youtube and other video sites
>
> a. Create a set of step by step tutorial (video preferred)
>
> i. Basic ACS POC setup
>
> ii. Setting up ACS in corporate environment with strict compliance
>
> iii. Hosting environment
>
> iv. Development Environment - educate new developers on how to troubleshoot issues and how to address them - actual basic examples would be really good on how bug X was fixed
>
>
>
> b. Take it a step further and show how you can bolt on CS with other offerings - again video preferred but text will do
>
> i. Show how to bolt on OpenSwift for block storage, OpenShift (linux PaaS) and IronFoundry (windows PaaS), Chef and SpaceWalk and others
>
>
>
> 3) Create support groups based on area of expertise, for example I can help with VmWare and CS setups, but I'm not good with XEN or KVM at the moment
>
> a. We need support groups for different hypervisors, storage and networks that can help newcomers
>
> b. Each issue resolved must be documented preferable on wiki - any documentation (including copy and paste from mailing list) is better than none
>
>
>
>
> 4) Host local user group meetups
>
> a. Show CS and help others
>
>
>
> 5) Reach out to other open source (and not) players and work with them to have easy integration and cross functionality
>
> a. RedHat with OpenShift PaaS
>
> b. IronFondry
>
> c. Cisco, Microsoft, VMWare, etc...
>
> d. Become part of major distributions
>
> e. Others will join as soon as they see the momentum
>
>
>
> * Next Steps to make this happen:
>
> o Gather list of people willing to contribute their time with skills and desired areas of involvement, even if you are a new comer or don't have enough experience with CS, we can use your help!
>
> o Set the time for regular IRC meeting
>
> o Help lead this effort as well as participate
>
>
> Together we can make ACS better for everyone and we can beat the buzzword players - because we are truly better.
>
> Your input is welcome, if you want to reach out to me off the list, please feel free, I'm on irc.freenode.net nick "serverchief", or email me directly.
>
> Thanks
> ilya
This is indeed great initiative, and I am happy to join in and help.
Let us know when the first meeting will be and lets start tackling
some of this stuff.
--David