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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com> on 2017/01/07 14:41:08 UTC
Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Hi,
A tweet reminded me of this open issue. It's been noted a few times that
BSD 4-clause falls under Category X (e.g. do not include, binary optional
dependency) [1]
I just want to check that it's agreed that BSD 4-clause is in fact Category
X [2].
John
[1]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/84cc007ab334ab12c2d0b75ea63c840630cee8bbf45c9561479521df@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
[2]: https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Ah ha. That's the thread. Wasn't showing for me.
So in the scope of this, I can update resolved.html I suspect.
John
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be consider
> Category X. [1]
>
> Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code from the
> BSD. [2]
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1.
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>.
That's the one :)
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 5:16 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I just want to confirm - when we say BSD-4-Clause we're talking about this:
>
> https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
>
> I'm going to update tonight.
>
> - John
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:43 PM Phil Odence <po...@blackducksoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The SPDX group is committed to maintaining these URLs. So, I agree with
>> my friend Henri, SPDX links are cool.
>>
>> Phil Odence
>>
>> SPDX Workgroup Chair
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>
>> *Reply-To: *"legal-discuss@apache.org" <le...@apache.org>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM
>> *To: *ASF Legal Discuss <le...@apache.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
>>
>>
>>
>> SPDX links are cool. Would be good for this one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:39 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:27 AM Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Henri Yandell wrote on 1/10/17 1:10 AM:
>> > Reminder to make it clear that by '4-clause BSD', we mean the
>> > advertising clause. I've seen other BSD derivatives with 4 clauses (how
>> > dare they!) that didn't have an advertising clause :)
>>
>> For cases where license name + version number isn't explicit and
>> unambiguous, perhaps we should use SPDX names?
>>
>> Is it this one?
>>
>> https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
>>
>> Or do links to the OSI definitions of specific license text work better?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll note that there is no OSI page for BSD 4 Clause.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>> >
>> > Hen
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
>> > <ma...@jagunet.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean
>> > <justin@classsoftware.com <ma...@classsoftware.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be
>> > consider Category X. [1]
>> > >
>> > > Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code
>> > from the BSD. [2]
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Justin
>> > >
>> > > 1.
>> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2
>> bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
>> > <https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
>> 557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%
>> 3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E>
>> > > 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
>> > <ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change>
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
I just want to confirm - when we say BSD-4-Clause we're talking about this:
https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
I'm going to update tonight.
- John
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:43 PM Phil Odence <po...@blackducksoftware.com>
wrote:
> The SPDX group is committed to maintaining these URLs. So, I agree with my
> friend Henri, SPDX links are cool.
>
> Phil Odence
>
> SPDX Workgroup Chair
>
>
>
> *From: *Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>
> *Reply-To: *"legal-discuss@apache.org" <le...@apache.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM
> *To: *ASF Legal Discuss <le...@apache.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
>
>
>
> SPDX links are cool. Would be good for this one.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:39 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:27 AM Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
> wrote:
>
> Henri Yandell wrote on 1/10/17 1:10 AM:
> > Reminder to make it clear that by '4-clause BSD', we mean the
> > advertising clause. I've seen other BSD derivatives with 4 clauses (how
> > dare they!) that didn't have an advertising clause :)
>
> For cases where license name + version number isn't explicit and
> unambiguous, perhaps we should use SPDX names?
>
> Is it this one?
>
> https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
>
> Or do links to the OSI definitions of specific license text work better?
>
>
>
> I'll note that there is no OSI page for BSD 4 Clause.
>
>
>
>
> - Shane
>
> >
> > Hen
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
> > <ma...@jagunet.com>> wrote:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean
> > <justin@classsoftware.com <ma...@classsoftware.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be
> > consider Category X. [1]
> > >
> > > Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code
> > from the BSD. [2]
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > 1.
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> > <
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> >
> > > 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
> > <ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change>
> > >
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by Phil Odence <po...@blackducksoftware.com>.
The SPDX group is committed to maintaining these URLs. So, I agree with my friend Henri, SPDX links are cool.
Phil Odence
SPDX Workgroup Chair
From: Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>
Reply-To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" <le...@apache.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM
To: ASF Legal Discuss <le...@apache.org>
Subject: Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
SPDX links are cool. Would be good for this one.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:39 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:27 AM Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>> wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote on 1/10/17 1:10 AM:
> Reminder to make it clear that by '4-clause BSD', we mean the
> advertising clause. I've seen other BSD derivatives with 4 clauses (how
> dare they!) that didn't have an advertising clause :)
For cases where license name + version number isn't explicit and
unambiguous, perhaps we should use SPDX names?
Is it this one?
https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
Or do links to the OSI definitions of specific license text work better?
I'll note that there is no OSI page for BSD 4 Clause.
- Shane
>
> Hen
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com>
> <ma...@jagunet.com>>> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean
> <ju...@classsoftware.com> <ma...@classsoftware.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be
> consider Category X. [1]
> >
> > Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code
> from the BSD. [2]
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1.
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> <https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E>
> > 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
> <ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change>
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>.
SPDX links are cool. Would be good for this one.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 7:39 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:27 AM Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Henri Yandell wrote on 1/10/17 1:10 AM:
>> > Reminder to make it clear that by '4-clause BSD', we mean the
>> > advertising clause. I've seen other BSD derivatives with 4 clauses (how
>> > dare they!) that didn't have an advertising clause :)
>>
>> For cases where license name + version number isn't explicit and
>> unambiguous, perhaps we should use SPDX names?
>>
>> Is it this one?
>>
>> https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
>>
>> Or do links to the OSI definitions of specific license text work better?
>>
>
> I'll note that there is no OSI page for BSD 4 Clause.
>
>
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>> >
>> > Hen
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
>> > <ma...@jagunet.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean
>> > <justin@classsoftware.com <ma...@classsoftware.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be
>> > consider Category X. [1]
>> > >
>> > > Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code
>> > from the BSD. [2]
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Justin
>> > >
>> > > 1.
>> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2
>> bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
>> > <https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
>> 557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%
>> 3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E>
>> > > 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
>> > <ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change>
>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:27 AM Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote on 1/10/17 1:10 AM:
> > Reminder to make it clear that by '4-clause BSD', we mean the
> > advertising clause. I've seen other BSD derivatives with 4 clauses (how
> > dare they!) that didn't have an advertising clause :)
>
> For cases where license name + version number isn't explicit and
> unambiguous, perhaps we should use SPDX names?
>
> Is it this one?
>
> https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
>
> Or do links to the OSI definitions of specific license text work better?
>
I'll note that there is no OSI page for BSD 4 Clause.
>
> - Shane
>
> >
> > Hen
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
> > <ma...@jagunet.com>> wrote:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean
> > <justin@classsoftware.com <ma...@classsoftware.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be
> > consider Category X. [1]
> > >
> > > Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code
> > from the BSD. [2]
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > 1.
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> > <
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> >
> > > 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
> > <ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change>
> > >
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote on 1/10/17 1:10 AM:
> Reminder to make it clear that by '4-clause BSD', we mean the
> advertising clause. I've seen other BSD derivatives with 4 clauses (how
> dare they!) that didn't have an advertising clause :)
For cases where license name + version number isn't explicit and
unambiguous, perhaps we should use SPDX names?
Is it this one?
https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause.html
Or do links to the OSI definitions of specific license text work better?
- Shane
>
> Hen
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com
> <ma...@jagunet.com>> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean
> <justin@classsoftware.com <ma...@classsoftware.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be
> consider Category X. [1]
> >
> > Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code
> from the BSD. [2]
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1.
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> <https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E>
> > 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
> <ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change>
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>.
Reminder to make it clear that by '4-clause BSD', we mean the advertising
clause. I've seen other BSD derivatives with 4 clauses (how dare they!)
that didn't have an advertising clause :)
Hen
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> > On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be consider
> Category X. [1]
> >
> > Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code from
> the BSD. [2]
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2
> bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> > 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
+1
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be consider Category X. [1]
>
> Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code from the BSD. [2]
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> 2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
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Re: Adding BSD 4-clause to Category X List?
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Last time this was discussed I think it clear it should be consider Category X. [1]
Note there are exceptions like OpenSSL and and any 4 clause code from the BSD. [2]
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/557a49d678809e2c543ef465dc36b2bd02eb02fda3c484f204468e39@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
2. ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change
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