[wiki] created flex-contributors group

[Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>]

Hi,

FYI flex-administrators, I have created a flex-contributors group,
with the same rights as flex-committers for now, and added Frank
Wienberg to it as per his request. It's probably more convenient to
handle contributors permissions in this way, but I'm not sure what
level of confluence permissions you need to be able to change that.

Anyway, I have also added Alex and Justin to the flex-administrators
group, so that they can grant access to others as needed.

-Bertrand

Re: [wiki] created flex-contributors group

[Frank Wienberg <fr...@jangaroo.net>]

Hi Alex, hi Bertrand,

just to let you know, I already triggered that my employer issues a CCLA so
that I can contribute (I suppose our legal department is on holiday, so it
will probably take until January).
Greetings
-Frank-


On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> > On 12/28/12 8:29 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> ...a contribution on the wiki is
> >> definitely voluntary, it cannot happen by mistake - so even without an
> >> iCLA it's IMO clear that said contribution belongs to the ASF.
> >
> > OK, I get that it is voluntary, but it would seem to me we would want a
> > paper trail that shows that the contributions are authorized by copyright
> > owner (which in this case would be Frank's employer)?...
>
> IANAL but I'd say a wiki @apache.org is clearly an ASF property, so I
> don't see how someone could contribute content there and later claim
> that the ASF is not allowed to use that content in whatever way we
> want.
>
> Anyway, I agree that requesting an iCLA is good for regular wiki
> contributors. And it makes things easier when those folks become
> committers ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
>

Re: [wiki] created flex-contributors group

[Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/12 8:29 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...a contribution on the wiki is
>> definitely voluntary, it cannot happen by mistake - so even without an
>> iCLA it's IMO clear that said contribution belongs to the ASF.
>
> OK, I get that it is voluntary, but it would seem to me we would want a
> paper trail that shows that the contributions are authorized by copyright
> owner (which in this case would be Frank's employer)?...

IANAL but I'd say a wiki @apache.org is clearly an ASF property, so I
don't see how someone could contribute content there and later claim
that the ASF is not allowed to use that content in whatever way we
want.

Anyway, I agree that requesting an iCLA is good for regular wiki
contributors. And it makes things easier when those folks become
committers ;-)

-Bertrand

Re: [wiki] created flex-contributors group

[Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>]

On 12/28/12 8:29 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bd...@apache.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>> ...One question though: do we need ICLAs from folks who want write
>> access to the wiki?...
> 
> I'd say it's good to have, but a contribution on the wiki is
> definitely voluntary, it cannot happen by mistake - so even without an
> iCLA it's IMO clear that said contribution belongs to the ASF.

OK, I get that it is voluntary, but it would seem to me we would want a
paper trail that shows that the contributions are authorized by copyright
owner (which in this case would be Frank's employer)?

-- 
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui

Re: [wiki] created flex-contributors group

[Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> ...One question though: do we need ICLAs from folks who want write
> access to the wiki?...

I'd say it's good to have, but a contribution on the wiki is
definitely voluntary, it cannot happen by mistake - so even without an
iCLA it's IMO clear that said contribution belongs to the ASF.

-Bertrand

Re: [wiki] created flex-contributors group

[Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>]

On 12/28/12 7:27 AM, "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 28, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> FYI flex-administrators, I have created a flex-contributors group,
>> with the same rights as flex-committers for now, and added Frank
>> Wienberg to it as per his request. It's probably more convenient to
>> handle contributors permissions in this way, but I'm not sure what
>> level of confluence permissions you need to be able to change that.
>> 
>> Anyway, I have also added Alex and Justin to the flex-administrators
>> group, so that they can grant access to others as needed.
> 
> I like this solution. I'm around to help as well. Bertrand beat me to this
> request by 30 minutes :-)
> 
Thanks.  One question though: do we need ICLAs from folks who want write
access to the wiki?  Frank, in particular, works for a company that has
already delivered a product in the topic area, and even though the company's
source code is open and lots of Frank's thoughts are on his blog, do we need
to be extra careful about his contributions to Apache wikis?

-- 
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui

Re: [wiki] created flex-contributors group

[Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>]

On Dec 28, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> FYI flex-administrators, I have created a flex-contributors group,
> with the same rights as flex-committers for now, and added Frank
> Wienberg to it as per his request. It's probably more convenient to
> handle contributors permissions in this way, but I'm not sure what
> level of confluence permissions you need to be able to change that.
> 
> Anyway, I have also added Alex and Justin to the flex-administrators
> group, so that they can grant access to others as needed.

I like this solution. I'm around to help as well. Bertrand beat me to this request by 30 minutes :-)

Regards,
Dave

> 
> -Bertrand