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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> on 2011/12/12 16:31:19 UTC
[OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on Android
Marketplace and Apple App Store
There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
on Android Marketplace.[2]
While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give them
a try!
[1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
[2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>.
I can see how this news might read due to the branding....FWIW, the small
team that worked on the project just called them ODF Viewers. They work for
the Symphony project, which has an offering available now, hence the
branding. This needs to change in 2012, and it will.
They are freely available. Hopefully, many will find them useful...
On Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM, "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Graham Lauder wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 07:24:47 Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 04:31:19 Donald Harbison wrote:
> >>>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's
> >>>> release of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th
> >>>> release of same on Android Marketplace.[2]
> >>>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with
> most
> >>>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
> >>>> them a try!
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
> >>>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
> >>>
> >>> Until such time as we see concrete evidence of IBM promises being
> >>> actually fulfilled with regard to open sourcing of Symphony, then this
> >>> is just spam and nothing that this list needs to know.
> >>
> >> Maybe you didn't catch this discussion earlier. Symphony is based on
> >> OpenOffice,og. The OpenOffice.org code was contributed to Apache,
> >> with a Software Grant Agreement that put many of its source files
> >> under the Apache 2.0 license instead of the LGPL that OpenOffice.org
> >> originally had. We're now in the process of reviewing all of code,
> >> reconciling that with the SGA, and replacing components that are not
> >> included in the SGA and which have incompatible licenses, e.g., 3rd
> >> party copyleft components.
> >>
> >> Until this IP review phase is completed and accepted, IBM don't have
> >> the right to contribute the Symphony source code under the Apache 2.0
> >> license. In other words, successful completion of the IP review is a
> >> prerequisite for IBM contributing Symphony code with its own SGA.
> >>
> >
> > I caught the announcement and the discussion. Perhaps you didn't notice
> that
> > I was one of the loudest cheer leaders. I have after all been waiting
> for some
> > such contribution for years. However all we have is posturing and no
> real
> > evidence. You yourself stated at that time: "we at IBM have not been
> > exemplary community members when it came to OpenOffice.org." so you'll
> forgive
> > me if I wait till I see hard evidence. Right now all we have is
> statements of
> > intent.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I await with eager anticipation to see Symphony code
> > adding to OOo. In fact if I were to pinpoint a single item from
> Symphony that
> > I would want to have included in OOo it would be the mail merge feature.
> The
> > present mail merge has been a blocker for corporate uptake for as long
> as I've
> > been a MarCon.
> >
> >
> >> Since IBM engineers are working hard in the community to do this IP
> >> review, and to clean up this code, in preparation for their SGA, I
> >> think your comments are a bit severe.
> >
> > Not severe at all, if it had popped up in my moderation queue I would
> have
> > blocked it.
>
> That seems like extreme moderation. Are you a moderator of any of the
> project lists?
>
> >
> > Symphony marketing announcements have no place on this list at this
> point in
> > time. In the future I look forward to that changing.
>
> It doesn't bother me.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > GL
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Graham Lauder wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 07:24:47 Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 04:31:19 Donald Harbison wrote:
>>>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's
>>>> release of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th
>>>> release of same on Android Marketplace.[2]
>>>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>>>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
>>>> them a try!
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>>>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>>>
>>> Until such time as we see concrete evidence of IBM promises being
>>> actually fulfilled with regard to open sourcing of Symphony, then this
>>> is just spam and nothing that this list needs to know.
>>
>> Maybe you didn't catch this discussion earlier. Symphony is based on
>> OpenOffice,og. The OpenOffice.org code was contributed to Apache,
>> with a Software Grant Agreement that put many of its source files
>> under the Apache 2.0 license instead of the LGPL that OpenOffice.org
>> originally had. We're now in the process of reviewing all of code,
>> reconciling that with the SGA, and replacing components that are not
>> included in the SGA and which have incompatible licenses, e.g., 3rd
>> party copyleft components.
>>
>> Until this IP review phase is completed and accepted, IBM don't have
>> the right to contribute the Symphony source code under the Apache 2.0
>> license. In other words, successful completion of the IP review is a
>> prerequisite for IBM contributing Symphony code with its own SGA.
>>
>
> I caught the announcement and the discussion. Perhaps you didn't notice that
> I was one of the loudest cheer leaders. I have after all been waiting for some
> such contribution for years. However all we have is posturing and no real
> evidence. You yourself stated at that time: "we at IBM have not been
> exemplary community members when it came to OpenOffice.org." so you'll forgive
> me if I wait till I see hard evidence. Right now all we have is statements of
> intent.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I await with eager anticipation to see Symphony code
> adding to OOo. In fact if I were to pinpoint a single item from Symphony that
> I would want to have included in OOo it would be the mail merge feature. The
> present mail merge has been a blocker for corporate uptake for as long as I've
> been a MarCon.
>
>
>> Since IBM engineers are working hard in the community to do this IP
>> review, and to clean up this code, in preparation for their SGA, I
>> think your comments are a bit severe.
>
> Not severe at all, if it had popped up in my moderation queue I would have
> blocked it.
That seems like extreme moderation. Are you a moderator of any of the project lists?
>
> Symphony marketing announcements have no place on this list at this point in
> time. In the future I look forward to that changing.
It doesn't bother me.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
> I caught the announcement and the discussion. Perhaps you didn't notice that
> I was one of the loudest cheer leaders. I have after all been waiting for some
> such contribution for years. However all we have is posturing and no real
> evidence. You yourself stated at that time: "we at IBM have not been
> exemplary community members when it came to OpenOffice.org." so you'll forgive
> me if I wait till I see hard evidence. Right now all we have is statements of
> intent.
>
Maybe you need to look beyond the marketing list, then? The work IBM
is doing is on IP review and cleanup, a necessary prerequisite for
contributing Symphony. The hard evidence is the code that is being
cleaned up by Juergen, Armin, Herbert, Andre and Oliver. This work is
all being done openly, on the list and in SVN.
A week does not pass without the Symphony team asking me, "Can we
contribute the Symphony code now?". I just had a call with them this
morning, in fact. They really want to do this, to make this work.
They are almost exploding with anticipation. But we need to follow
the rules. And when we check in code we need to make sure that we
have permission, per all relevant licenses, to do this. And our
ability to check in code derived from OpenOffice.org code will not be
permitted until we first clear the code that Oracle contributed to
Apache.
-Rob
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 07:24:47 Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 04:31:19 Donald Harbison wrote:
> >> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's
> >> release of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th
> >> release of same on Android Marketplace.[2]
> >> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
> >> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
> >> them a try!
> >>
> >> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
> >> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
> >
> > Until such time as we see concrete evidence of IBM promises being
> > actually fulfilled with regard to open sourcing of Symphony, then this
> > is just spam and nothing that this list needs to know.
>
> Maybe you didn't catch this discussion earlier. Symphony is based on
> OpenOffice,og. The OpenOffice.org code was contributed to Apache,
> with a Software Grant Agreement that put many of its source files
> under the Apache 2.0 license instead of the LGPL that OpenOffice.org
> originally had. We're now in the process of reviewing all of code,
> reconciling that with the SGA, and replacing components that are not
> included in the SGA and which have incompatible licenses, e.g., 3rd
> party copyleft components.
>
> Until this IP review phase is completed and accepted, IBM don't have
> the right to contribute the Symphony source code under the Apache 2.0
> license. In other words, successful completion of the IP review is a
> prerequisite for IBM contributing Symphony code with its own SGA.
>
I caught the announcement and the discussion. Perhaps you didn't notice that
I was one of the loudest cheer leaders. I have after all been waiting for some
such contribution for years. However all we have is posturing and no real
evidence. You yourself stated at that time: "we at IBM have not been
exemplary community members when it came to OpenOffice.org." so you'll forgive
me if I wait till I see hard evidence. Right now all we have is statements of
intent.
Don't get me wrong, I await with eager anticipation to see Symphony code
adding to OOo. In fact if I were to pinpoint a single item from Symphony that
I would want to have included in OOo it would be the mail merge feature. The
present mail merge has been a blocker for corporate uptake for as long as I've
been a MarCon.
> Since IBM engineers are working hard in the community to do this IP
> review, and to clean up this code, in preparation for their SGA, I
> think your comments are a bit severe.
Not severe at all, if it had popped up in my moderation queue I would have
blocked it.
Symphony marketing announcements have no place on this list at this point in
time. In the future I look forward to that changing.
Cheers
GL
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 04:31:19 Donald Harbison wrote:
>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
>> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
>> on Android Marketplace.[2]
>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give them
>> a try!
>>
>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>
> Until such time as we see concrete evidence of IBM promises being actually
> fulfilled with regard to open sourcing of Symphony, then this is just spam and
> nothing that this list needs to know.
>
Maybe you didn't catch this discussion earlier. Symphony is based on
OpenOffice,og. The OpenOffice.org code was contributed to Apache,
with a Software Grant Agreement that put many of its source files
under the Apache 2.0 license instead of the LGPL that OpenOffice.org
originally had. We're now in the process of reviewing all of code,
reconciling that with the SGA, and replacing components that are not
included in the SGA and which have incompatible licenses, e.g., 3rd
party copyleft components.
Until this IP review phase is completed and accepted, IBM don't have
the right to contribute the Symphony source code under the Apache 2.0
license. In other words, successful completion of the IP review is a
prerequisite for IBM contributing Symphony code with its own SGA.
Since IBM engineers are working hard in the community to do this IP
review, and to clean up this code, in preparation for their SGA, I
think your comments are a bit severe.
-Rob
> GL
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 04:31:19 Donald Harbison wrote:
> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
> on Android Marketplace.[2]
> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give them
> a try!
>
> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
Until such time as we see concrete evidence of IBM promises being actually
fulfilled with regard to open sourcing of Symphony, then this is just spam and
nothing that this list needs to know.
GL
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Hey, thanks.
Louis
On 13 December 2011 17:08, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> Go to the App Store.
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibm-lotus-symphony-viewer/id482597218?mt=8
>
> cheers,
>
> Pedro.
>
> --- Mar 13/12/11, Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Don,
>> I went to big blue site and seemed to miss an iOS mutant.
>> Did I go blind at the wrong time?
>>
>> louis
>>
>> On 12 December 2011 10:31, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > There has been some Twitter activity calling attention
>> to today's release
>> > of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November
>> 18th release of same
>> > on Android Marketplace.[2]
>> > While these are currently carrying the IBM branding,
>> they work with most
>> > ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice,
>> LibreOffice, etc. Give them
>> > a try!
>> >
>> > [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>> > [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
try
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibm-lotus-symphony-viewer/id482597218?mt=8
On 12/13/11 10:57 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Hi Don,
> I went to big blue site and seemed to miss an iOS mutant. Did I go
> blind at the wrong time?
>
> louis
>
> On 12 December 2011 10:31, Donald Harbison<dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
>> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
>> on Android Marketplace.[2]
>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give them
>> a try!
>>
>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW<http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2<http://t.co/7PoElUds>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
Go to the App Store.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibm-lotus-symphony-viewer/id482597218?mt=8
cheers,
Pedro.
--- Mar 13/12/11, Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hi Don,
> I went to big blue site and seemed to miss an iOS mutant.
> Did I go blind at the wrong time?
>
> louis
>
> On 12 December 2011 10:31, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > There has been some Twitter activity calling attention
> to today's release
> > of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November
> 18th release of same
> > on Android Marketplace.[2]
> > While these are currently carrying the IBM branding,
> they work with most
> > ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice,
> LibreOffice, etc. Give them
> > a try!
> >
> > [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
> > [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Hi Don,
I went to big blue site and seemed to miss an iOS mutant. Did I go
blind at the wrong time?
louis
On 12 December 2011 10:31, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
> on Android Marketplace.[2]
> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give them
> a try!
>
> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Hi Don,
I went to big blue site and seemed to miss an iOS mutant. Did I go
blind at the wrong time?
louis
On 12 December 2011 10:31, Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
> on Android Marketplace.[2]
> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give them
> a try!
>
> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW <http://s.apache.org/YGW>
> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2 <http://t.co/7PoElUds>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Malte Timmermann
<ma...@gmx.com>wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
>
> On 28.12.2011 20:23, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Malte Timmermann
>> <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> thanks for clarification :)
>>>
>>> I still wonder: There must be some common code between these two apps.
>>> The ODF filter, the DOM and the renderings stuff (well, at least the
>>> layouter, while the renderer itself might more be SDK specific).
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, that is a good assumption.
>>
>> So it would still be interesting to have good and lightweight ODF viewers
>>> for desktop systems. With better layout than ODF2HTML transformations can
>>> do.
>>>
>>> Will the code for the ODF viewers also become AL2? :)
>>>
>>>
>> That is an interesting idea. Currently the viewers are "free as in
>> beer", but they are not open source. I can investigate this further,
>> to see what is possible on our end, but I'd really like to see this
>> project demonstrate further success working with the considerable
>> amount of code it already has, from OpenOffice and soon from Symphony,
>> and is growing the number of active coders, before throwing more code
>> at it.
>>
>
> Well, maybe ODF Toolkit would be a good home for this?
>
> Then, people would not only have tools for manipulating ODF, but also for
> displaying ODF. Could also help to develop some ODF2PDF stuff with ODF
> Toolkit.
>
> +1 -- I think this idea has merit. By itself, it will be difficult to
attract a community. It does have complementary value to the ODF Toolkit
project, so perhaps this makes good sense. We could open a discussion on
this prospect to determine if there are other volunteers who see it this
way...or not.
Best,
> Malte.
>
>
>
>> -Rob
>>
>> Best,
>>> Malte.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24.12.2011 02:44, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Malte Timmermann
>>>> <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Don,
>>>>>
>>>>> nice stuff - but may I ask why the viewers only exist for mobiles, not
>>>>> for
>>>>> the desktop systems?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The viewers are written to the iOS and Android SDK's. You can't run
>>>> on desktop's except through emulators. And from our perspective we
>>>> already had desktop and web server-generated HTML viewers for ODF.
>>>> What we lacked was a viewer for disconnected mobile use. So that's
>>>> what we made.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>> Malte.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12.12.2011 16:31, Donald Harbison wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's
>>>>>> release
>>>>>> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> on Android Marketplace.[2]
>>>>>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> a try!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW<http:/**/s.apache.org/YGW<http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2<http://t.**co/7PoElUds<http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Hi Rob,
On 28.12.2011 20:23, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Malte Timmermann
> <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> thanks for clarification :)
>>
>> I still wonder: There must be some common code between these two apps.
>> The ODF filter, the DOM and the renderings stuff (well, at least the
>> layouter, while the renderer itself might more be SDK specific).
>>
>
> Yes, that is a good assumption.
>
>> So it would still be interesting to have good and lightweight ODF viewers
>> for desktop systems. With better layout than ODF2HTML transformations can
>> do.
>>
>> Will the code for the ODF viewers also become AL2? :)
>>
>
> That is an interesting idea. Currently the viewers are "free as in
> beer", but they are not open source. I can investigate this further,
> to see what is possible on our end, but I'd really like to see this
> project demonstrate further success working with the considerable
> amount of code it already has, from OpenOffice and soon from Symphony,
> and is growing the number of active coders, before throwing more code
> at it.
Well, maybe ODF Toolkit would be a good home for this?
Then, people would not only have tools for manipulating ODF, but also
for displaying ODF. Could also help to develop some ODF2PDF stuff with
ODF Toolkit.
Best,
Malte.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Best,
>> Malte.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24.12.2011 02:44, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Malte Timmermann
>>> <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Don,
>>>>
>>>> nice stuff - but may I ask why the viewers only exist for mobiles, not
>>>> for
>>>> the desktop systems?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The viewers are written to the iOS and Android SDK's. You can't run
>>> on desktop's except through emulators. And from our perspective we
>>> already had desktop and web server-generated HTML viewers for ODF.
>>> What we lacked was a viewer for disconnected mobile use. So that's
>>> what we made.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Malte.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12.12.2011 16:31, Donald Harbison wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's
>>>>> release
>>>>> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of
>>>>> same
>>>>> on Android Marketplace.[2]
>>>>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>>>>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
>>>>> them
>>>>> a try!
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW<http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>>>>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2<http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Malte Timmermann
<ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> thanks for clarification :)
>
> I still wonder: There must be some common code between these two apps.
> The ODF filter, the DOM and the renderings stuff (well, at least the
> layouter, while the renderer itself might more be SDK specific).
>
Yes, that is a good assumption.
> So it would still be interesting to have good and lightweight ODF viewers
> for desktop systems. With better layout than ODF2HTML transformations can
> do.
>
> Will the code for the ODF viewers also become AL2? :)
>
That is an interesting idea. Currently the viewers are "free as in
beer", but they are not open source. I can investigate this further,
to see what is possible on our end, but I'd really like to see this
project demonstrate further success working with the considerable
amount of code it already has, from OpenOffice and soon from Symphony,
and is growing the number of active coders, before throwing more code
at it.
-Rob
> Best,
> Malte.
>
>
>
> On 24.12.2011 02:44, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Malte Timmermann
>> <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Don,
>>>
>>> nice stuff - but may I ask why the viewers only exist for mobiles, not
>>> for
>>> the desktop systems?
>>>
>>
>> The viewers are written to the iOS and Android SDK's. You can't run
>> on desktop's except through emulators. And from our perspective we
>> already had desktop and web server-generated HTML viewers for ODF.
>> What we lacked was a viewer for disconnected mobile use. So that's
>> what we made.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Malte.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12.12.2011 16:31, Donald Harbison wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's
>>>> release
>>>> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of
>>>> same
>>>> on Android Marketplace.[2]
>>>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>>>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
>>>> them
>>>> a try!
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW<http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>>>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2<http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Hi Rob,
thanks for clarification :)
I still wonder: There must be some common code between these two apps.
The ODF filter, the DOM and the renderings stuff (well, at least the
layouter, while the renderer itself might more be SDK specific).
So it would still be interesting to have good and lightweight ODF
viewers for desktop systems. With better layout than ODF2HTML
transformations can do.
Will the code for the ODF viewers also become AL2? :)
Best,
Malte.
On 24.12.2011 02:44, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Malte Timmermann
> <ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> nice stuff - but may I ask why the viewers only exist for mobiles, not for
>> the desktop systems?
>>
>
> The viewers are written to the iOS and Android SDK's. You can't run
> on desktop's except through emulators. And from our perspective we
> already had desktop and web server-generated HTML viewers for ODF.
> What we lacked was a viewer for disconnected mobile use. So that's
> what we made.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Malte.
>>
>>
>> On 12.12.2011 16:31, Donald Harbison wrote:
>>>
>>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
>>> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
>>> on Android Marketplace.[2]
>>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
>>> them
>>> a try!
>>>
>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW<http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2<http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>>>
>>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Malte Timmermann
<ma...@gmx.com> wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> nice stuff - but may I ask why the viewers only exist for mobiles, not for
> the desktop systems?
>
The viewers are written to the iOS and Android SDK's. You can't run
on desktop's except through emulators. And from our perspective we
already had desktop and web server-generated HTML viewers for ODF.
What we lacked was a viewer for disconnected mobile use. So that's
what we made.
-Rob
> Malte.
>
>
> On 12.12.2011 16:31, Donald Harbison wrote:
>>
>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
>> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
>> on Android Marketplace.[2]
>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
>> them
>> a try!
>>
>> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW<http://s.apache.org/YGW>
>> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2<http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>>
>
Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on
Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Hi Don,
nice stuff - but may I ask why the viewers only exist for mobiles, not
for the desktop systems?
Malte.
On 12.12.2011 16:31, Donald Harbison wrote:
> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's release
> of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th release of same
> on Android Marketplace.[2]
> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give them
> a try!
>
> [1] http://s.apache.org/YGW<http://s.apache.org/YGW>
> [2] http://bit.ly/tc7Un2<http://t.co/7PoElUds>
>