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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com> on 2015/10/27 13:50:07 UTC
Re: Service Offering documentation - GPU
Looks very complete and seems to answer many of my questions (and
probably some that I have not thought of yet).
This is in the 4.4 Design docs but did not make it into the 4.5 Design
docs section.
Should it be in 4.5 as well?
Ron
On 27/10/2015 3:53 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote:
> Dear Ron,
>
> I suggest you to read this document:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs.
> I have tested pass-through mode with XenServer 6.2 and can give
> probably a bit more information if you need. The reference document is
> good indeed, so you probably do not need my comments :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Vadim.
>
> On 2015-10-26 22:47, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>> The GPU section on page
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>> [1] seems to be lacking some information (at least as far as I can
>> tell).
>> 1) What does the GPU do? It says to select a card that I want to use.
>> No hint about the basis on which I should make the selection or if
>> there are any restrictions on the choice (based on hardware?)
>> 2) It mentions support for 2 NVIDIA cards and says that if you want
>> to use another card "make the createServiceOffering API call". How is
>> this done on a UI screen?
>> 3) The Type selection is worded in an odd way with 3 selections
>> explicitly named and a "so on" thrown in. Then it goes on to talk
>> about a passthrough vGPU type in a separate paragraph.
>>
>> Perhaps there should be links to external web sites to clarify the
>> definitions of these cards and types.
>>
>> If someone can explain what this section actually means, I will try
>> to write it in a clearer fashion.
>>
>> Ron
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>
--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Service Offering documentation - GPU
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
In this case it seems that putting the design changes from 4.5 (new GPU
types) in the 4.4 docs is problematic.
It seems that the 4.5 docs should document the vgpuTypes that were added
in 4.5 with a link to the 4.4 docs if there are no other changes.
Perhaps part of the problem is that the Administrator documents are
lacking some key info and explanation from the design docs.
It will become increasingly hard to locate the missing information as
versions are released.
It will be very difficult to find GPU information for Cloudstack version
6.2 if you have to find it in the design docs for 4.4.
I have updated the admin doc to add a bit of context and a reference to
the Design docs .
Ron
On 27/10/2015 10:19 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote:
> I don't know what is a best way to present such kind of information.
> From one side each version should contain its own copy of the chapter,
> but this is probably hard to maintain. From the other side - having
> just one wiki document with history of versions is probably simpler.
>
> Vadim.
>
> On 2015-10-27 15:29, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>> My question was whether this page needs to be in the 4.5 Design docs.
>>
>> Currently the new GPU types are in the 4.4 Design Docs which you seem
>> to be saying is wrong (K160Q, K180Q, K280Q were added to 4.5 not 4.4)
>>
>> It looks like someone updated the 4.4 docs rather than adding the
>> page to the 4.5 doc set.
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, the current 4.4 page should be copied to 4.5
>> and then the changes made to the 4.4 page should be reverted to an
>> earlier version where the new GPUs are not included.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 27/10/2015 9:18 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: New vGPU types
>> K160Q, K180Q, K280Q were added to UI at 4.5 version, but this is
>> already reflected in the cwiki article.
>>
>> Vadim.
>>
>> On 2015-10-27 14:50, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> Looks very complete and seems to answer many of my questions (and
>> probably some that I have not thought of yet).
>>
>> This is in the 4.4 Design docs but did not make it into the 4.5
>> Design docs section.
>> Should it be in 4.5 as well?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 27/10/2015 3:53 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: Dear Ron,
>>
>> I suggest you to read this document:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
>> [1] [1 [1]]. I have tested pass-through mode with XenServer 6.2 and
>> can give probably a bit more information if you need. The reference
>> document is good indeed, so you probably do not need my comments :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Vadim.
>>
>> On 2015-10-26 22:47, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> The GPU section on page
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>> [2] [2 [2]] [1 [2]] seems to be lacking some information (at least as
>> far as I can tell).
>> 1) What does the GPU do? It says to select a card that I want to use.
>> No hint about the basis on which I should make the selection or if
>> there are any restrictions on the choice (based on hardware?)
>> 2) It mentions support for 2 NVIDIA cards and says that if you want
>> to use another card "make the createServiceOffering API call". How is
>> this done on a UI screen?
>> 3) The Type selection is worded in an odd way with 3 selections
>> explicitly named and a "so on" thrown in. Then it goes on to talk
>> about a passthrough vGPU type in a separate paragraph.
>>
>> Perhaps there should be links to external web sites to clarify the
>> definitions of these cards and types.
>>
>> If someone can explain what this section actually means, I will try
>> to write it in a clearer fashion.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1]
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>> [2] [2 [2]]
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
>> [1]
>> [2]
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>> [2]
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
> [2]
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>
--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Service Offering documentation - GPU
Posted by Vadim Kimlaychuk <va...@kickcloud.net>.
I don't know what is a best way to present such kind of information.
From one side each version should contain its own copy of the chapter,
but this is probably hard to maintain. From the other side - having just
one wiki document with history of versions is probably simpler.
Vadim.
On 2015-10-27 15:29, Ron Wheeler wrote:
> My question was whether this page needs to be in the 4.5 Design docs.
>
> Currently the new GPU types are in the 4.4 Design Docs which you seem
> to be saying is wrong (K160Q, K180Q, K280Q were added to 4.5 not 4.4)
>
> It looks like someone updated the 4.4 docs rather than adding the page
> to the 4.5 doc set.
>
> If I am not mistaken, the current 4.4 page should be copied to 4.5 and
> then the changes made to the 4.4 page should be reverted to an earlier
> version where the new GPUs are not included.
>
> Ron
>
> On 27/10/2015 9:18 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: New vGPU types K160Q,
> K180Q, K280Q were added to UI at 4.5 version, but this is already
> reflected in the cwiki article.
>
> Vadim.
>
> On 2015-10-27 14:50, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
> Looks very complete and seems to answer many of my questions (and
> probably some that I have not thought of yet).
>
> This is in the 4.4 Design docs but did not make it into the 4.5 Design
> docs section.
> Should it be in 4.5 as well?
>
> Ron
>
> On 27/10/2015 3:53 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: Dear Ron,
>
> I suggest you to read this document:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
> [1] [1 [1]]. I have tested pass-through mode with XenServer 6.2 and can
> give probably a bit more information if you need. The reference
> document is good indeed, so you probably do not need my comments :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Vadim.
>
> On 2015-10-26 22:47, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
> The GPU section on page
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
> [2] [2 [2]] [1 [2]] seems to be lacking some information (at least as
> far as I can tell).
> 1) What does the GPU do? It says to select a card that I want to use.
> No hint about the basis on which I should make the selection or if
> there are any restrictions on the choice (based on hardware?)
> 2) It mentions support for 2 NVIDIA cards and says that if you want to
> use another card "make the createServiceOffering API call". How is this
> done on a UI screen?
> 3) The Type selection is worded in an odd way with 3 selections
> explicitly named and a "so on" thrown in. Then it goes on to talk about
> a passthrough vGPU type in a separate paragraph.
>
> Perhaps there should be links to external web sites to clarify the
> definitions of these cards and types.
>
> If someone can explain what this section actually means, I will try to
> write it in a clearer fashion.
>
> Ron
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
> [2] [2 [2]]
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
> [1]
> [2]
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
> [2]
Links:
------
[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
[2]
http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
Re: Service Offering documentation - GPU
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
My question was whether this page needs to be in the 4.5 Design docs.
Currently the new GPU types are in the 4.4 Design Docs which you seem to
be saying is wrong (K160Q, K180Q, K280Q were added to 4.5 not 4.4)
It looks like someone updated the 4.4 docs rather than adding the page
to the 4.5 doc set.
If I am not mistaken, the current 4.4 page should be copied to 4.5 and
then the changes made to the 4.4 page should be reverted to an earlier
version where the new GPUs are not included.
Ron
On 27/10/2015 9:18 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote:
> New vGPU types K160Q, K180Q, K280Q were added to UI at 4.5 version,
> but this is already reflected in the cwiki article.
>
> Vadim.
>
> On 2015-10-27 14:50, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>> Looks very complete and seems to answer many of my questions (and
>> probably some that I have not thought of yet).
>>
>> This is in the 4.4 Design docs but did not make it into the 4.5
>> Design docs section.
>> Should it be in 4.5 as well?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 27/10/2015 3:53 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: Dear Ron,
>>
>> I suggest you to read this document:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
>> [1]. I have tested pass-through mode with XenServer 6.2 and can give
>> probably a bit more information if you need. The reference document
>> is good indeed, so you probably do not need my comments :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Vadim.
>>
>> On 2015-10-26 22:47, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> The GPU section on page
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>> [2] [1 [2]] seems to be lacking some information (at least as far as
>> I can tell).
>> 1) What does the GPU do? It says to select a card that I want to use.
>> No hint about the basis on which I should make the selection or if
>> there are any restrictions on the choice (based on hardware?)
>> 2) It mentions support for 2 NVIDIA cards and says that if you want
>> to use another card "make the createServiceOffering API call". How is
>> this done on a UI screen?
>> 3) The Type selection is worded in an odd way with 3 selections
>> explicitly named and a "so on" thrown in. Then it goes on to talk
>> about a passthrough vGPU type in a separate paragraph.
>>
>> Perhaps there should be links to external web sites to clarify the
>> definitions of these cards and types.
>>
>> If someone can explain what this section actually means, I will try
>> to write it in a clearer fashion.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1]
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>> [2]
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
> [2]
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
>
--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Service Offering documentation - GPU
Posted by Vadim Kimlaychuk <va...@kickcloud.net>.
New vGPU types K160Q, K180Q, K280Q were added to UI at 4.5 version, but
this is already reflected in the cwiki article.
Vadim.
On 2015-10-27 14:50, Ron Wheeler wrote:
> Looks very complete and seems to answer many of my questions (and
> probably some that I have not thought of yet).
>
> This is in the 4.4 Design docs but did not make it into the 4.5 Design
> docs section.
> Should it be in 4.5 as well?
>
> Ron
>
> On 27/10/2015 3:53 AM, Vadim Kimlaychuk wrote: Dear Ron,
>
> I suggest you to read this document:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
> [1]. I have tested pass-through mode with XenServer 6.2 and can give
> probably a bit more information if you need. The reference document is
> good indeed, so you probably do not need my comments :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Vadim.
>
> On 2015-10-26 22:47, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
> The GPU section on page
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
> [2] [1 [2]] seems to be lacking some information (at least as far as I
> can tell).
> 1) What does the GPU do? It says to select a card that I want to use.
> No hint about the basis on which I should make the selection or if
> there are any restrictions on the choice (based on hardware?)
> 2) It mentions support for 2 NVIDIA cards and says that if you want to
> use another card "make the createServiceOffering API call". How is this
> done on a UI screen?
> 3) The Type selection is worded in an odd way with 3 selections
> explicitly named and a "so on" thrown in. Then it goes on to talk about
> a passthrough vGPU type in a separate paragraph.
>
> Perhaps there should be links to external web sites to clarify the
> definitions of these cards and types.
>
> If someone can explain what this section actually means, I will try to
> write it in a clearer fashion.
>
> Ron
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html
> [2]
Links:
------
[1]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/GPU+and+vGPU+support+for+CloudStack+Guest+VMs
[2]
http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-administration/en/4.5/service_offerings.html