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Posted to dev@vcl.apache.org by "Kumar, Amit H." <AH...@odu.edu> on 2011/05/27 16:39:08 UTC
Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Hi All,
Reading through this document on VCL on IBM developers site: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-vcl/index.html
Brings me to the following question: First of all I am not sure how this question will be treated on this forum , because I have not seen a discussion on VCL that talks about Private vs. Public setup like the IBMers do in the above link. So please bare with me and my naïve thoughts ....
Q. When would an implementation of VCL be considered as a Public Cloud Setup? I cannot draw a clear line to distinguish between private vs. public VCL setup.
Here is what I am thinking:
>> If the VCL implementation allows anyone to sign up(either freely or paid) to access the resources provided. Then it is a public cloud setup. ?
>> If the VCL implementation allows other similar VCL type resources to join the existing pool of resources to provide free or paid access to once signed up. Is this a public cloud setup?
Please advise!
Regards,
Amit
RE: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Posted by "Kumar, Amit H." <AH...@odu.edu>.
Hi Aaron,
This is really great, being able to access EC2 & IBM resource or any other cloud resources for that matter. I can't wait to test that one out.
Any body working on EC2 interface?
Thank you for your insight!
Regards,
Amit
________________________________________
From: Aaron Peeler [fapeeler@ncsu.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:19 PM
To: vcl-user@incubator.apache.org
Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Hello Amit,
Good questions.
I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what
you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc.
The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud
that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud.
There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can
request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working
on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example.
Aaron
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Kumar, Amit H. <AH...@odu.edu> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Reading through this document on VCL on IBM developers site:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-vcl/index.html
>
>
>
> Brings me to the following question: First of all I am not sure how this
> question will be treated on this forum , because I have not seen a
> discussion on VCL that talks about Private vs. Public setup like the IBMers
> do in the above link. So please bare with me and my naïve thoughts ….
>
>
>
> Q. When would an implementation of VCL be considered as a Public Cloud
> Setup? I cannot draw a clear line to distinguish between private vs. public
> VCL setup.
>
> Here is what I am thinking:
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
>>> paid) to access the resources provided. Then it is a public cloud setup. ?
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows other similar VCL type resources to
>>> join the existing pool of resources to provide free or paid access to once
>>> signed up. Is this a public cloud setup?
>
>
>
> Please advise!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Amit
>
>
--
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Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University
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Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Posted by Henry E Schaffer <he...@unity.ncsu.edu>.
Aaron writes:
> ...
> I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what
> you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
> paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc.
>
> The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud
> that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud.
> There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can
> request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working
> on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example.
I agree - but would like to add a non-technological dimension to the
definition.
We normally call the VCL a "private cloud" because that is how we and
most (all?) universities use it - and it could be a "hybrid cloud" if
the provisioning modules were running.
However, I think the real distinction is in how the VCL (or other
cloud) is *managed.*
The VCL can be run to allow anyone/everyone to log in access the
resources provided. This isn't done because of resource limitations,
license limitations, etc. - all real reasons but not technological
limitations.
Therefore I'll even quibble with the above definition of a "hybrid
cloud" because the user interface is into a private cloud, and the user
ideally isn't even aware of where the cloud resources live and so just
sees it as a private cloud.
Bottom line: private/hybrid/public distinctions have both
technological and administrative meanings.
--henry schaffer
RE: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Posted by "Kumar, Amit H." <AH...@odu.edu>.
Hi Aaron,
This is really great, being able to access EC2 & IBM resource or any other cloud resources for that matter. I can't wait to test that one out.
Any body working on EC2 interface?
Thank you for your insight!
Regards,
Amit
________________________________________
From: Aaron Peeler [fapeeler@ncsu.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:19 PM
To: vcl-user@incubator.apache.org
Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Hello Amit,
Good questions.
I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what
you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc.
The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud
that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud.
There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can
request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working
on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example.
Aaron
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Kumar, Amit H. <AH...@odu.edu> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Reading through this document on VCL on IBM developers site:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-vcl/index.html
>
>
>
> Brings me to the following question: First of all I am not sure how this
> question will be treated on this forum , because I have not seen a
> discussion on VCL that talks about Private vs. Public setup like the IBMers
> do in the above link. So please bare with me and my naïve thoughts ….
>
>
>
> Q. When would an implementation of VCL be considered as a Public Cloud
> Setup? I cannot draw a clear line to distinguish between private vs. public
> VCL setup.
>
> Here is what I am thinking:
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
>>> paid) to access the resources provided. Then it is a public cloud setup. ?
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows other similar VCL type resources to
>>> join the existing pool of resources to provide free or paid access to once
>>> signed up. Is this a public cloud setup?
>
>
>
> Please advise!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Amit
>
>
--
Aaron Peeler
Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University
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Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Posted by Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu>.
Hello Amit,
Good questions.
I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what
you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc.
The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud
that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud.
There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can
request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working
on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example.
Aaron
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Kumar, Amit H. <AH...@odu.edu> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Reading through this document on VCL on IBM developers site:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-vcl/index.html
>
>
>
> Brings me to the following question: First of all I am not sure how this
> question will be treated on this forum , because I have not seen a
> discussion on VCL that talks about Private vs. Public setup like the IBMers
> do in the above link. So please bare with me and my naïve thoughts ….
>
>
>
> Q. When would an implementation of VCL be considered as a Public Cloud
> Setup? I cannot draw a clear line to distinguish between private vs. public
> VCL setup.
>
> Here is what I am thinking:
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
>>> paid) to access the resources provided. Then it is a public cloud setup. ?
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows other similar VCL type resources to
>>> join the existing pool of resources to provide free or paid access to once
>>> signed up. Is this a public cloud setup?
>
>
>
> Please advise!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Amit
>
>
--
Aaron Peeler
Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University
All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Posted by Aaron Peeler <fa...@ncsu.edu>.
Hello Amit,
Good questions.
I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what
you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc.
The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud
that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud.
There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can
request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working
on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example.
Aaron
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Kumar, Amit H. <AH...@odu.edu> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Reading through this document on VCL on IBM developers site:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-vcl/index.html
>
>
>
> Brings me to the following question: First of all I am not sure how this
> question will be treated on this forum , because I have not seen a
> discussion on VCL that talks about Private vs. Public setup like the IBMers
> do in the above link. So please bare with me and my naïve thoughts ….
>
>
>
> Q. When would an implementation of VCL be considered as a Public Cloud
> Setup? I cannot draw a clear line to distinguish between private vs. public
> VCL setup.
>
> Here is what I am thinking:
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows anyone to sign up(either freely or
>>> paid) to access the resources provided. Then it is a public cloud setup. ?
>
>>> If the VCL implementation allows other similar VCL type resources to
>>> join the existing pool of resources to provide free or paid access to once
>>> signed up. Is this a public cloud setup?
>
>
>
> Please advise!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Amit
>
>
--
Aaron Peeler
Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University
All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.