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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@apache.org> on 2016/12/17 08:14:58 UTC
[ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing messages
in the OFBiz mailing lists
Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the same
time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which OFBiz
related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
directions to govern how third parties can announce their
products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will be
unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
The OFBiz PMC
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
I don't personally recall seeing Pierre break any of the linked guidelines
aside from cross posting to dev/private. IMO his marketing messages are
neither excessive or unfair. So maybe, just maybe, this isn't about
Pierre. And maybe we should stop worrying about who/what triggered it and
instead take the message in and accept what are actually perfectly fair
guidelines and carry on with our day.
Regards
Scott
On 20/12/2016 06:38, "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As a user, I appreciate information or even marketing emails related to
> ofbiz. If not here, then where?
>
> For instance, I appreciate it when bigfish announces a new version for
> download [here], and I also appreciate it when Pierre posts new modules.
> What is the big deal? The developers have ANOTHER email list, which I
> don't subscribe (because I don't care about it), so, yes, posting ads to
> THAT small audience is not appropriate.
>
> Let's lighten up... Please.
>
> > I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz
>
> I believe this is all about Pierre. I think the stuff HE is doing with
> ofbiz is fantastic and much appreciated (from my viewpoint).
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jacques,
> >
> > Thank you for expressing a perception.
> >
> > If that were so I guess the punishment described in the announcement
> would
> > have been effected.
> >
> > But given that the statement is interpretable in many ways, I just
> thought
> > to hedge my bets.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > OFBiz based solutions & services
> >
> > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> > jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Pierre,
> > >
> > > I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz
> > >
> > > Jacques
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 18/12/2016 à 14:39, Pierre Smits a écrit :
> > >
> > >> First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ!
> > >>
> > >> So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A
> > >> clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF
> > >> project,
> > >> as the announcement lacks various references.
> > >>
> > >> The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is
> that
> > >> image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC
> > members?
> > >> Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if
> that
> > >> is
> > >> indeed necessary)?
> > >>
> > >> The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean
> that
> > >> individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks
> are
> > >> not
> > >> treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And
> > are
> > >> the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few
> > >> weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to
> > the
> > >> project's image?
> > >> This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a
> moment
> > >> in
> > >> the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to
> > only
> > >> actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid)
> or
> > >> also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this
> > >> project?
> > >>
> > >> I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held
> against
> > >> an
> > >> explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various
> > >> years of the existence of this project we all have seen various
> > viewpoints
> > >> expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how
> > >> they
> > >> feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the
> > >> individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we
> seen
> > >> something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action
> > plan
> > >> and resulting in a clear ruleset.
> > >>
> > >> In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does
> > >> that
> > >> entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base
> > >> criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the
> > posting
> > >> of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries
> where
> > >> the
> > >> expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something
> > that
> > >> is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'?
> > >>
> > >> In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought
> > before
> > >> us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further
> > description.
> > >> Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service
> Providers
> > >> that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings,
> > or
> > >> what?
> > >>
> > >> The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of
> > the
> > >> 3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage
> > >> regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the
> > >> prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and
> > >> execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we
> > >> ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of
> > the
> > >> arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community
> member
> > >> can
> > >> learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions?
> > >>
> > >> In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists
> of
> > >> the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a
> life
> > >> sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the
> > >> punishment fits the crime?
> > >>
> > >> Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he
> > >> will
> > >> remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Pierre Smits
> > >>
> > >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> > >> OFBiz based solutions & services
> > >>
> > >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> > >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <
> jacopoc@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
> > >>> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the
> > same
> > >>> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which
> > OFBiz
> > >>> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
> > >>> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
> > >>>
> > >>> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
> > >>> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
> > >>> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
> > >>>
> > >>> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will
> > be
> > >>> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
> > >>>
> > >>> The OFBiz PMC
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Mike <mz...@gmail.com>.
As a user, I appreciate information or even marketing emails related to
ofbiz. If not here, then where?
For instance, I appreciate it when bigfish announces a new version for
download [here], and I also appreciate it when Pierre posts new modules.
What is the big deal? The developers have ANOTHER email list, which I
don't subscribe (because I don't care about it), so, yes, posting ads to
THAT small audience is not appropriate.
Let's lighten up... Please.
> I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz
I believe this is all about Pierre. I think the stuff HE is doing with
ofbiz is fantastic and much appreciated (from my viewpoint).
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Jacques,
>
> Thank you for expressing a perception.
>
> If that were so I guess the punishment described in the announcement would
> have been effected.
>
> But given that the statement is interpretable in many ways, I just thought
> to hedge my bets.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pierre,
> >
> > I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 18/12/2016 à 14:39, Pierre Smits a écrit :
> >
> >> First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ!
> >>
> >> So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A
> >> clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF
> >> project,
> >> as the announcement lacks various references.
> >>
> >> The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is that
> >> image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC
> members?
> >> Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if that
> >> is
> >> indeed necessary)?
> >>
> >> The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean that
> >> individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks are
> >> not
> >> treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And
> are
> >> the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few
> >> weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to
> the
> >> project's image?
> >> This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a moment
> >> in
> >> the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to
> only
> >> actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid) or
> >> also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this
> >> project?
> >>
> >> I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held against
> >> an
> >> explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various
> >> years of the existence of this project we all have seen various
> viewpoints
> >> expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how
> >> they
> >> feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the
> >> individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we seen
> >> something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action
> plan
> >> and resulting in a clear ruleset.
> >>
> >> In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does
> >> that
> >> entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base
> >> criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the
> posting
> >> of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries where
> >> the
> >> expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something
> that
> >> is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'?
> >>
> >> In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought
> before
> >> us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further
> description.
> >> Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service Providers
> >> that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings,
> or
> >> what?
> >>
> >> The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of
> the
> >> 3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage
> >> regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the
> >> prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and
> >> execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we
> >> ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of
> the
> >> arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community member
> >> can
> >> learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions?
> >>
> >> In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists of
> >> the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a life
> >> sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the
> >> punishment fits the crime?
> >>
> >> Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he
> >> will
> >> remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists?
> >>
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Pierre Smits
> >>
> >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> >> OFBiz based solutions & services
> >>
> >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
> >>> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the
> same
> >>> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which
> OFBiz
> >>> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
> >>> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
> >>>
> >>> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
> >>> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
> >>> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
> >>>
> >>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
> >>>
> >>> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will
> be
> >>> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
> >>>
> >>> The OFBiz PMC
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jacques,
Thank you for expressing a perception.
If that were so I guess the punishment described in the announcement would
have been effected.
But given that the statement is interpretable in many ways, I just thought
to hedge my bets.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
> Hi Pierre,
>
> I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 18/12/2016 à 14:39, Pierre Smits a écrit :
>
>> First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ!
>>
>> So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A
>> clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF
>> project,
>> as the announcement lacks various references.
>>
>> The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is that
>> image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC members?
>> Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if that
>> is
>> indeed necessary)?
>>
>> The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean that
>> individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks are
>> not
>> treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And are
>> the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few
>> weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to the
>> project's image?
>> This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a moment
>> in
>> the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to only
>> actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid) or
>> also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this
>> project?
>>
>> I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held against
>> an
>> explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various
>> years of the existence of this project we all have seen various viewpoints
>> expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how
>> they
>> feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the
>> individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we seen
>> something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action plan
>> and resulting in a clear ruleset.
>>
>> In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does
>> that
>> entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base
>> criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the posting
>> of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries where
>> the
>> expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something that
>> is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'?
>>
>> In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought before
>> us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further description.
>> Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service Providers
>> that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings, or
>> what?
>>
>> The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of the
>> 3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage
>> regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the
>> prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and
>> execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we
>> ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of the
>> arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community member
>> can
>> learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions?
>>
>> In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists of
>> the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a life
>> sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the
>> punishment fits the crime?
>>
>> Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he
>> will
>> remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Pierre Smits
>>
>> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
>> OFBiz based solutions & services
>>
>> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
>> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
>>> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the same
>>> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which OFBiz
>>> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
>>> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
>>>
>>> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
>>> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
>>> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
>>>
>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
>>>
>>> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will be
>>> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
>>>
>>> The OFBiz PMC
>>>
>>>
>
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Pierre,
I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz
Jacques
Le 18/12/2016 � 14:39, Pierre Smits a �crit :
> First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ!
>
> So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A
> clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF project,
> as the announcement lacks various references.
>
> The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is that
> image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC members?
> Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if that is
> indeed necessary)?
>
> The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean that
> individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks are not
> treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And are
> the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few
> weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to the
> project's image?
> This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a moment in
> the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to only
> actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid) or
> also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this
> project?
>
> I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held against an
> explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various
> years of the existence of this project we all have seen various viewpoints
> expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how they
> feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the
> individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we seen
> something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action plan
> and resulting in a clear ruleset.
>
> In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does that
> entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base
> criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the posting
> of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries where the
> expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something that
> is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'?
>
> In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought before
> us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further description.
> Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service Providers
> that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings, or
> what?
>
> The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of the
> 3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage
> regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the
> prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and
> execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we
> ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of the
> arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community member can
> learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions?
>
> In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists of
> the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a life
> sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the
> punishment fits the crime?
>
> Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he will
> remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
>> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the same
>> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which OFBiz
>> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
>> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
>>
>> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
>> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
>> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
>>
>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
>>
>> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will be
>> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
>>
>> The OFBiz PMC
>>
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ!
So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A
clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF project,
as the announcement lacks various references.
The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is that
image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC members?
Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if that is
indeed necessary)?
The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean that
individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks are not
treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And are
the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few
weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to the
project's image?
This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a moment in
the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to only
actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid) or
also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this
project?
I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held against an
explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various
years of the existence of this project we all have seen various viewpoints
expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how they
feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the
individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we seen
something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action plan
and resulting in a clear ruleset.
In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does that
entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base
criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the posting
of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries where the
expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something that
is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'?
In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought before
us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further description.
Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service Providers
that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings, or
what?
The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of the
3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage
regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the
prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and
execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we
ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of the
arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community member can
learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions?
In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists of
the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a life
sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the
punishment fits the crime?
Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he will
remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists?
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
OFBiz based solutions & services
OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the same
> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which OFBiz
> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
>
> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
>
> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
>
> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will be
> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
>
> The OFBiz PMC
>
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
> Long ago, I created the OFBiz Nabble forum with as many sub-forums as we
> have mailing lists.
>
I have started a new thread to discuss Nabble in the dev listwith subject:
"Review the configuration of the OFBiz forums at Nabble".
Cheers
Jacopo
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Le 17/12/2016 � 09:14, Jacopo Cappellato a �crit :
> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages
> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the same
> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which OFBiz
> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are
> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image.
>
> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some
> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
>
> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
>
> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will be
> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists.
>
> The OFBiz PMC
>
Long ago, I created the OFBiz Nabble forum with as many sub-forums as we have mailing lists.
I'm the sole responsible and administrator of this forum and will apply the same rules than on our official mailing lists.
I'm though not sure if we should mention that in the official mailing lists page.
Jacques
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Directions to limit excessive or unfair marketing
messages in the OFBiz mailing lists
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@apache.org>
wrote:
> [...] the OFBiz PMC has published some
> directions to govern how third parties can announce their
> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list:
>
> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing
>
>
With my PMC hat on:
- the policy is effective from now on (i.e. what happened in the past is
not important)
- third parties that are planning to use this list for a marketing related
initiative, and are unsure if the format is compliant with the new policy,
are invited to contact the PMC (at private@ofbiz.apache.org and optionally
cc trademarks@apache.org)
- as it is already a prerogative of the PMC, repeated violations will be
treated similarly to any other behavior potentially harmful for the
community: any case will be carefully evaluated and the minimal and most
effective action for the specific case will be taken with the goal of
correcting rather than punishing