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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Rob Hartill <ro...@imdb.com> on 1997/04/22 23:40:53 UTC
Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7 (fwd)
Seen on Usenet.
I've read user comments that b8 is a significant improvement over
b7, so mybe he needs to start there.
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Date: 22 Apr 1997 16:20:09 GMT
From: Tom Sherrod <ts...@nando.net>
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7
Netscape Enterprise 2.01 vs Apache 1.2.b7
We have 2 identical machines. Ultra 1s 192mb RAM
Netscape on one, Apache on the other.
Using Cisco's LocalDirector to direct traffic based on least
number of connections.
Netscape has it's DNS lookup turned off and runs away from the
Apache server in the number of hits. Turn on DNS and the Apache
wins, hands down.
Now I turned off DNS lookup on the Apache server, expecting some
great increase but to my dismay, the Netscape server is still
rocking meaning it still services connections quicker.
Netscape recommended KeepAlives turned off so I also turned it
off the Apache server, no change.
Both machines have the same Docroot and such.
I just expected the Apache server to fly with DNS lookup turned
off, I was disappointed.
Before I move to the Netscape servers, anyone have more
recommendations on speeding the Apache server up?
(Yes, I'm aware of even more variables between the two but
I have tried to make them as equal as possible.)
--
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Tom Sherrod tsherrod@nando.net
Technical Director
Nando.net http://www.nando.net
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Re: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7 (fwd)
Posted by Graham Bignell <gr...@nbc.netcom.ca>.
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Marc Slemko wrote:
> The biggest problem with this one that I see is that all he is saying is
> Netscape "services connections quicker". Hell, I'll buy that if he is
> serving 2 byte documents since Apache outputs twice the volume of headers
> that most versions of Netscape's server do. I asked what metrics he was
> using, but he skipped that question...
They are probably also not noticing things like the footprint of
the Netscape server compared to Apache, most of the netscape servers
I have run take 12-16 megs (Solaris 2.5.1, netscape enterprise with
the patch to fix the threading problem) and Apache doesn't usually
need more than about 2. (per child of course). I can still make
a server populated with netscape daemons grind to a painful halt
with a little forking telnet/get script, but I saturate the
eithernet well before the server starts bugging out when using
Apache.
---
Graham
Re: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7 (fwd)
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
Speaking of docs, sometime when I am feeling braindead but bored I may try
to do a sweep through all of the documentation to fix up some of the
completely-outdated things that sound silly now.
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> I'm strongly considering writing a tuning doc, and a how not to benchmark
> doc. I'll add to one if someone else starts it first.
>
> Dean
>
Re: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7 (fwd)
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> I'm strongly considering writing a tuning doc, and a how not to benchmark
> doc. I'll add to one if someone else starts it first.
Sounds good to me. Then we can add some benchmarks showing the oldest
NCSA we can find running from inetd beating everything else around.
Hey, I can make a perfectly repeatable test that shows that. <g>
I've been meaning to do the same thing... will have a bit more free time
starting thursday assuming I don't drown, but it is a bit down on my
priority list. If I feel like writing silly docs suEXEC may come first...
Re: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7 (fwd)
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
I'm strongly considering writing a tuning doc, and a how not to benchmark
doc. I'll add to one if someone else starts it first.
Dean
Re: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7 (fwd)
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> And (flame me!) try -DNO_LINGCLOSE if upgrading to 1.2b8 (or preferably
> 1.2b9-dev) doesn't even things up.
>
> But actually my guess is that if you were to look at their config it looks
> like this:
>
> StartServers 5
> MinSpareServers 5
> MaxSpareServers 10
No, their config did look like
MinSpareServers 24
MaxSpareServers 48
MaxRequestsPerChild 30
(with MaxRequestsPerChild increased to 200 after I suggested raising it)
The biggest problem with this one that I see is that all he is saying is
Netscape "services connections quicker". Hell, I'll buy that if he is
serving 2 byte documents since Apache outputs twice the volume of headers
that most versions of Netscape's server do. I asked what metrics he was
using, but he skipped that question...
Some metrics (eg. time for first packet of response to arrive, which some
magazines _have_ used) are darn misleading because sending a bunch of
small packets will decrease that time interval, but will lead to overall
worse performance.
>
> rather than something reasonable for the load they're seeing. This has
> been my experience with other "benchmarks". Maybe I should spend the
> afternoon doing documentation...
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
>
> >
> > Seen on Usenet.
> >
> > I've read user comments that b8 is a significant improvement over
> > b7, so mybe he needs to start there.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: 22 Apr 1997 16:20:09 GMT
> > From: Tom Sherrod <ts...@nando.net>
> > Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
> > Subject: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7
> >
> > Netscape Enterprise 2.01 vs Apache 1.2.b7
> > We have 2 identical machines. Ultra 1s 192mb RAM
> > Netscape on one, Apache on the other.
> > Using Cisco's LocalDirector to direct traffic based on least
> > number of connections.
> > Netscape has it's DNS lookup turned off and runs away from the
> > Apache server in the number of hits. Turn on DNS and the Apache
> > wins, hands down.
> > Now I turned off DNS lookup on the Apache server, expecting some
> > great increase but to my dismay, the Netscape server is still
> > rocking meaning it still services connections quicker.
> > Netscape recommended KeepAlives turned off so I also turned it
> > off the Apache server, no change.
> > Both machines have the same Docroot and such.
> > I just expected the Apache server to fly with DNS lookup turned
> > off, I was disappointed.
> > Before I move to the Netscape servers, anyone have more
> > recommendations on speeding the Apache server up?
> > (Yes, I'm aware of even more variables between the two but
> > I have tried to make them as equal as possible.)
> > --
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Tom Sherrod tsherrod@nando.net
> > Technical Director
> > Nando.net http://www.nando.net
> > ###############################################################
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7 (fwd)
Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
And (flame me!) try -DNO_LINGCLOSE if upgrading to 1.2b8 (or preferably
1.2b9-dev) doesn't even things up.
But actually my guess is that if you were to look at their config it looks
like this:
StartServers 5
MinSpareServers 5
MaxSpareServers 10
rather than something reasonable for the load they're seeing. This has
been my experience with other "benchmarks". Maybe I should spend the
afternoon doing documentation...
Dean
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Rob Hartill wrote:
>
> Seen on Usenet.
>
> I've read user comments that b8 is a significant improvement over
> b7, so mybe he needs to start there.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: 22 Apr 1997 16:20:09 GMT
> From: Tom Sherrod <ts...@nando.net>
> Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
> Subject: Netscape 2.01 vs Apache 1.2b7
>
> Netscape Enterprise 2.01 vs Apache 1.2.b7
> We have 2 identical machines. Ultra 1s 192mb RAM
> Netscape on one, Apache on the other.
> Using Cisco's LocalDirector to direct traffic based on least
> number of connections.
> Netscape has it's DNS lookup turned off and runs away from the
> Apache server in the number of hits. Turn on DNS and the Apache
> wins, hands down.
> Now I turned off DNS lookup on the Apache server, expecting some
> great increase but to my dismay, the Netscape server is still
> rocking meaning it still services connections quicker.
> Netscape recommended KeepAlives turned off so I also turned it
> off the Apache server, no change.
> Both machines have the same Docroot and such.
> I just expected the Apache server to fly with DNS lookup turned
> off, I was disappointed.
> Before I move to the Netscape servers, anyone have more
> recommendations on speeding the Apache server up?
> (Yes, I'm aware of even more variables between the two but
> I have tried to make them as equal as possible.)
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Tom Sherrod tsherrod@nando.net
> Technical Director
> Nando.net http://www.nando.net
> ###############################################################
>
>
>
>
>