Re: Summary of IRC meeting in #apachemarmotta, Wed Feb 6 09:05:05 2013

[Peter Ansell <an...@gmail.com>]

On 6 February 2013 19:50, ASF IRC Services <as...@wilderness.apache.org> wrote:
> Members present: westei, wastl, tkurz, jfrank, wikier
>
> ----------------
> Meeting summary:
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>
> 1. Preface
>
> 2. memento
>   a. tkurz will send a report to sesame about the problems with sparql result writer and rdf 1.1 (tkurz, 2)
>
> 3. reasoner
>
> 4. aob
>   a. document the jira workflow in the wiki (wastl, 4)
>   b. http://wiki.apache.org/marmotta/IssueWorkflow (jfrank, 4)
>   c. https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/marmotta/logo/ (wastl, 4)
>   d. ask infra about the expected date to solve INFRA-5624 (wikier, 4)
>
>
> --------
> Actions:
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> - tkurz will send a report to sesame about the problems with sparql result writer and rdf 1.1 (tkurz, 09:11:35)
> - document the jira workflow in the wiki (wastl, 09:32:40)
> - ask infra about the expected date to solve INFRA-5624 (wikier, 09:39:17)
>
> IRC log follows:
>
>
> # 1. Preface #
> 09:05:12 [wikier]: topics?
> 09:05:42 [tkurz]: memento
> 09:05:51 [wastl]: reasoning (short progress report)
> 09:06:50 [tkurz]: any other topic?
> 09:07:05 [wikier]: no from my side
> 09:07:20 [wastl]: Jakob?
>
>
> # 2. memento #
> 09:07:27 [jfrank]: none
> 09:07:50 [tkurz]: just read the updated version of the menento protocol
> 09:07:59 [tkurz]: today I will start implementing
> 09:08:14 [tkurz]: If the bugs allow it
> 09:08:27 [wastl]: there are no bugs :)
> 09:08:35 [tkurz]: yes there are ;)
> 09:08:42 [jfrank]: i think i heard that before...
> 09:08:52 [wikier]: xD
> 09:09:05 [wikier]: tkurz: sorry for the issue yesterday
> 09:09:07 [tkurz]: np
> 09:09:20 [wikier]: finally I reverted the huge commit with the license
> 09:09:42 [tkurz]: just fixed some other stuff yesterday regarding skosjs, user webservice, sparql result writer, etc
> 09:09:57 [tkurz]: so that's it from my side
> 09:10:27 [jfrank]: did you file an issue to seasame about the result writer?
> 09:10:50 [jfrank]: s/sea/se
> 09:11:05 [tkurz]: not yet. I will do that
> 09:11:35 [tkurz]: #action tkurz will send a report to sesame about the problems with sparql result writer and rdf 1.1

I would be interested to hear about these. I have been working on the
sparql result writers recently, and I added another feature today, but
issues with it are always interesting.

https://bitbucket.org/openrdf/sesame/pull-request/57/ses-1054-ses-1724-integrate-tuple-and

> 09:11:42 [wastl]: +1
> 09:11:57 [jfrank]: +1
> 09:11:57 [wikier]: +1
> 09:12:22 [wastl]: maybe you should mention that this is not only a Sesame issue
> 09:12:42 [wastl]: it is an inconsistency between the SPARQL spec and the RDF 1.1 spec

Sesame doesn't currently support the RDF-1.1 working draft, however, I
opened an issue to track the necessary changes.

https://openrdf.atlassian.net/browse/SES-1720

> 09:13:07 [tkurz]: okay. I will check this
> 09:13:42 [wikier]: a sync issue between boths specs, right?
> 09:13:50 [wastl]: yes, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/PR-sparql11-results-json-20121108/#select-results
> 09:13:57 [wastl]: section 3.2.2
> 09:14:27 [wastl]: and the SPARQL XML result format is still the same as for SPARQL 1.0
> 09:15:07 [wastl]: it is not exactly an inconsistency, just underspecified
> 09:15:20 [wikier]: aja
> 09:15:20 [wastl]: the case with datatype and language is missing in the spec
> 09:16:19 [wastl]: ok, anything more regarding this topic?
> 09:16:59 [tkurz]: no
> 09:17:05 [wastl]: ok
>
>
> # 3. reasoner #
> 09:17:13 [wastl]: quick progress report
> 09:17:35 [wastl]: - persistence layer is working (i.e. storing/loading programs, rules, justifications, ...)
> 09:18:04 [wastl]: - this morning I will work on translation from rule query patterns to SQL (partly working already)
> 09:18:12 [wastl]: - this afternoon I will do the reasoning SAIL
> 09:18:22 [wastl]: - tomorrow integration back into LMF
> 09:18:49 [wikier]: cool
> 09:19:04 [wastl]: please do not do big changes that affect also the triple store, because I am working in a separate branch and this would be merge hell
> 09:19:27 [wastl]: so I have a lock on the kiwi/ components for now :)
> 09:20:29 [wastl]: that's it from my side, so I hope we can have the system complete again by tomorrow evening and prepare the Lucy demo
> 09:20:57 [tkurz]: okay. next topic
> 09:21:12 [tkurz]: ?
> 09:21:20 [wastl]: none for me
> 09:21:27 [wikier]: nothing specific...
>
>
> # 4. aob #
> 09:21:35 [wikier]: aob?
> 09:21:35 [wikier]: ah, yes, wiki
> 09:21:35 [wastl]: short note:
> 09:21:37 [wikier]: see MARMOTTA-3
> 09:21:42 [wikier]: MARMOTTA-3
> 09:21:57 [wikier]: I migrated some content yesterday to the apache wiki
> 09:22:12 [jfrank]: so this issue can be closed?
> 09:22:12 [wastl]: great
> 09:22:20 [wikier]: but I'd prefer to wait until the code importation the week on 18th
> 09:22:42 [wikier]: who has access to the wii?
> 09:22:50 [wikier]: I know that wastl and jfrank
> 09:22:50 [wikier]: tkurz?
> 09:23:00 [wastl]: I have
> 09:23:34 [tkurz]: I think i have. Let's try
> 09:23:57 [tkurz]: nope
> 09:23:59 [wikier]: I just need to know your username to add karma to you
> 09:24:34 [wikier]: tkurz: http://wiki.apache.org/marmotta/FrontPage?action=newaccount
> 09:24:43 [wastl]: did you copy the jira workflow already from Sling? :)
> 09:25:21 [tkurz]: okay. my account name is tkurz
> 09:25:28 [wikier]: we'd just need to add a couple of additional satates
> 09:25:35 [wikier]: states
> 09:25:35 [wikier]: do we want?
> 09:25:50 [wastl]: I think they are already default
> 09:26:06 [wastl]: no need to add them
> 09:26:42 [wastl]: ok, no need to hurry
> 09:26:50 [wastl]: I'd briefly like to mentioin
> 09:26:51 [jfrank]: really? test/doc required is default?
> 09:26:58 [wastl]: yes
> 09:26:59 [wikier]: the also have "Documentation Required" and "Testcase Required"
> 09:27:05 [wikier]: http://sling.apache.org/site/issue-tracker.html#IssueTracker-IssueStates
> 09:27:23 [wikier]: tkurz, westei: added karma at the wiki
> 09:27:35 [tkurz]: thx
> 09:27:42 [westei]: thx
> 09:28:04 [wastl]: wikier: these states are in the Apache default, AFAIK
> 09:28:49 [wikier]: this is what we have now
> 09:28:50 [wikier]: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/608222/tmp/jira-workflow.png
> 09:29:27 [wikier]: the default jira workflow
> 09:29:30 [wastl]: ok
> 09:29:42 [wastl]: so no need to hurry, keep it for the future
> 09:30:04 [wikier]: with my user I cannot change it
> 09:30:07 [wikier]: sure
> 09:30:11 [wikier]: ok
> 09:30:18 [jfrank]: we should  document our agreement on closing/resolving issues
> 09:30:32 [wikier]: +1
> 09:30:34 [wastl]: yes
> 09:31:02 [wikier]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MARMOTTA#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aissues-panel
> 09:31:02 [wastl]: it is in the mail archives already, but should move into the wiki
> 09:31:32 [tkurz]: westei made a good recommendation for the workflow in the mailing list
> 09:31:40 [wastl]: ok, can we close this topic? I have another one and we already discussed it on the list
> 09:32:02 [wikier]: I've just closed the single two resolved issues that were not code
> 09:32:24 [tkurz]: yes. but we should document the workflow in the wiki asap
> 09:32:32 [wikier]: which is what jfrank basically points
> 09:32:40 [wastl]: #action document the jira workflow in the wiki
> 09:32:54 [jfrank]: #link http://wiki.apache.org/marmotta/IssueWorkflow
> 09:33:02 [wastl]: maybe we can create an issue for it
> 09:33:03 [wastl]: ok
> 09:33:09 [wastl]: so done :)
> 09:33:24 [jfrank]: no content yet...
> 09:33:47 [wastl]: copy from Sling for now, and we add the additional states later
> 09:34:34 [wastl]: now let me finally talk about
> 09:34:39 [wastl]: MARMOTTA-5
> 09:34:47 [wastl]: the logo
> 09:35:03 [wastl]: I have checked in all logo files (bitmaps and vector sources)
> 09:35:17 [wastl]: to the repository for the marmotta website
> 09:35:34 [wastl]: you can find everything here:
> 09:35:39 [wastl]: #link https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/marmotta/logo/
> 09:36:24 [wastl]: includes icons (ICO and PNG format), the logo itself, and a powered-by version of the logo
> 09:36:54 [tkurz]: nice. as soon we have a website we should offer a page with all the logos
> 09:37:09 [wastl]: a propos: website :)
> 09:37:24 [wastl]: should we ask again at infra?
> 09:37:39 [wastl]: they said "not before 1st February", but today is already 6th
> 09:37:39 [wikier]: still awaiting for INFRA-5624
> 09:37:54 [wikier]: I pointed it in the IPMC report
> 09:38:17 [wikier]: I'm not sure how difficult is to setup a new cms instance... but, you know, not so long
> 09:38:39 [wastl]: of course they have other things to do as well, but the website is very important
> 09:38:48 [wikier]: I'll try to ask at #asfinfra again
> 09:38:50 [wastl]: maybe I add a comment to the issue
> 09:39:17 [wikier]: #action ask infra about the expected date to solve INFRA-5624
> 09:40:32 [tkurz]: perfect. aob?
> 09:40:39 [tkurz]: 40 min ....
> 09:41:09 [jfrank]: another jira...
> 09:41:25 [jfrank]: we have several new feature issues scheduled for v2.6...
> 09:42:17 [wastl]: which ones?
> 09:42:24 [jfrank]: new features should go to version 3.1
> 09:43:11 [wastl]: there are only two
> 09:43:11 [jfrank]: MARMOTTA-60
> 09:43:17 [jfrank]: MARMOTTA-61
> 09:43:33 [wastl]: I only see
> 09:43:39 [wastl]: MARMOTTA-18
> 09:43:47 [wastl]: and MARMOTTA-19
> 09:44:02 [wastl]: and both are not scheduled for 2.6
> 09:44:09 [wikier]: mine probably
> 09:44:26 [wikier]: part of ldp draft implementation
> 09:44:34 [wikier]: which we could release at 2.6 as experimental
> 09:44:47 [wastl]: +1
> 09:44:48 [tkurz]: +1
> 09:45:09 [wastl]: they are not really new features, they are a part towards Marmotta
> 09:45:18 [wastl]: which we claim to be a LDP platform implementation
> 09:46:17 [wikier]: but I see jfrank's point.. maybe I should started all ldp in a separate branch
> 09:46:32 [wikier]: something to improve when moving to marmotta
> 09:46:54 [wastl]: well, I think the first implementation needs to be there at 3.0
> 09:47:17 [jfrank]: why?
> 09:47:17 [wastl]: so I don't mind having it experimental in 2.6
> 09:47:26 [wastl]: because we say we are the LDP implementation :)
> 09:47:32 [wikier]: and, since from 2.6 to 3.0 no new code will go in, we need it as 2.6, right
> 09:48:26 [wastl]: no new code, but bug fixes and adaptations yes
> 09:49:33 [wastl]: ok, can we stop the meeting now?
> 09:49:40 [wikier]: +1
> 09:49:49 [tkurz]: +1
> 09:49:50 [jfrank]: to close this topic: plz think twice before adding new issues to 2.6
> 09:49:57 [jfrank]: @close: +1
> 09:50:04 [wikier]: ok
>