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Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry testing and i
wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
Yep, I'm a big fan of TestNG.
It's annotation driven.
It has a much better model for organizing the tests (into groups) and
controlling which tests run when.
It can run tests in parallel, which actually makes a difference on dual core
monsters like my home desktop.
It generates a much more comprehensive HTML report.
It allows you to perform setup and teardown for many tests; this allows it
to begin to move from pure unit testing towards integration testing. For
example, you can start up Jetty, run a bunch of tests against it, then shut
it down. You can do similar things for database access.
The Eclipse plugin is almost there (relative to the very mature JUnit
plugin).
On 8/23/06, Henri Dupre <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I second that TestNG is no harder to learn than Junit. Actually I find
> TestNG documentation much better than the current JUnit 4. TestNG has an
> excellent Eclipse plugin... What I like better about TestNG is that it
> evolves often and has many more features than JUnit.
>
>
> On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Really? I didn't feel like TestNG was any harder to learn than
> junit...In
> > fact it felt like it made more sense than the former ;)
> >
> > Like many things, junit4 is simply a response to TestNG. There is so
> much
> > more going on.
> >
> > I think they also use it in a couple places at google. (maybe I'm wrong,
> > but
> > the creator is a senior eng there)
> >
> > I'm sort of a small contributor to the library as well, so my opinions
> are
> > definitely biased...
> >
> > On 8/22/06, Paul Field <pa...@db.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > JUnit 4 is already available (and supported in IDEs such as Eclipse
> 3.2)
> > -
> > > see www.junit.org
> > >
> > > Here's a couple of articles that describe some of the JUnit 4
> features:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.instrumentalservices.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=52
> > > http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/31983/0/page/1
> > >
> > > However, TestNG is still far ahead in terms of features. Their home
> page
> > > lists some of the features (http://testng.org/doc/). It does have a
> > bigger
> > > learning curve than JUnit but then it does a lot more :-)
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > ------------------
> > > Paul Field
> > > Global Markets Research IT
> > > Deutsche Bank
> > >
> > > news <ne...@sea.gmane.org> wrote on 22/08/2006 16:33:42:
> > >
> > > > I do seem to recall a description of the upcoming JUnit version
> which
> > > seem
> > > > much better
> > > >
> > > > "Vinicius Carvalho" <ja...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > > > news:fde284ef0608220445o370f31d6ua2bede94b2ca2852@mail.gmail.com...
> > > > > Not better, WAY better! I like Junit and what they've done for the
> > > > > comunity, but testNG ROCKS!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Because TestNG is better ;)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry
> > > testing
> > > > >> > and i
> > > > >> > wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > View this message in context:
> > > > >> > http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-
> > > > test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by Henri Dupre <he...@gmail.com>.
I second that TestNG is no harder to learn than Junit. Actually I find
TestNG documentation much better than the current JUnit 4. TestNG has an
excellent Eclipse plugin... What I like better about TestNG is that it
evolves often and has many more features than JUnit.
On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Really? I didn't feel like TestNG was any harder to learn than junit...In
> fact it felt like it made more sense than the former ;)
>
> Like many things, junit4 is simply a response to TestNG. There is so much
> more going on.
>
> I think they also use it in a couple places at google. (maybe I'm wrong,
> but
> the creator is a senior eng there)
>
> I'm sort of a small contributor to the library as well, so my opinions are
> definitely biased...
>
> On 8/22/06, Paul Field <pa...@db.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > JUnit 4 is already available (and supported in IDEs such as Eclipse 3.2)
> -
> > see www.junit.org
> >
> > Here's a couple of articles that describe some of the JUnit 4 features:
> >
> >
> http://www.instrumentalservices.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=52
> > http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/31983/0/page/1
> >
> > However, TestNG is still far ahead in terms of features. Their home page
> > lists some of the features (http://testng.org/doc/). It does have a
> bigger
> > learning curve than JUnit but then it does a lot more :-)
> >
> > Paul
> > ------------------
> > Paul Field
> > Global Markets Research IT
> > Deutsche Bank
> >
> > news <ne...@sea.gmane.org> wrote on 22/08/2006 16:33:42:
> >
> > > I do seem to recall a description of the upcoming JUnit version which
> > seem
> > > much better
> > >
> > > "Vinicius Carvalho" <ja...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > > news:fde284ef0608220445o370f31d6ua2bede94b2ca2852@mail.gmail.com...
> > > > Not better, WAY better! I like Junit and what they've done for the
> > > > comunity, but testNG ROCKS!!!
> > > >
> > > > On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Because TestNG is better ;)
> > > >>
> > > >> On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry
> > testing
> > > >> > and i
> > > >> > wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > View this message in context:
> > > >> > http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-
> > > test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
> > > >> > Sent from the Tapestry - User forum at Nabble.com.
> > > >> >
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Jesse Kuhnert
> > > >> Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
> > > >>
> > > >> Open source based consulting work centered around
> > > >> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
> > > >>
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>
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Really? I didn't feel like TestNG was any harder to learn than junit...In
fact it felt like it made more sense than the former ;)
Like many things, junit4 is simply a response to TestNG. There is so much
more going on.
I think they also use it in a couple places at google. (maybe I'm wrong, but
the creator is a senior eng there)
I'm sort of a small contributor to the library as well, so my opinions are
definitely biased...
On 8/22/06, Paul Field <pa...@db.com> wrote:
>
>
> JUnit 4 is already available (and supported in IDEs such as Eclipse 3.2) -
> see www.junit.org
>
> Here's a couple of articles that describe some of the JUnit 4 features:
>
> http://www.instrumentalservices.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=52
> http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/31983/0/page/1
>
> However, TestNG is still far ahead in terms of features. Their home page
> lists some of the features (http://testng.org/doc/). It does have a bigger
> learning curve than JUnit but then it does a lot more :-)
>
> Paul
> ------------------
> Paul Field
> Global Markets Research IT
> Deutsche Bank
>
> news <ne...@sea.gmane.org> wrote on 22/08/2006 16:33:42:
>
> > I do seem to recall a description of the upcoming JUnit version which
> seem
> > much better
> >
> > "Vinicius Carvalho" <ja...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:fde284ef0608220445o370f31d6ua2bede94b2ca2852@mail.gmail.com...
> > > Not better, WAY better! I like Junit and what they've done for the
> > > comunity, but testNG ROCKS!!!
> > >
> > > On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Because TestNG is better ;)
> > >>
> > >> On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry
> testing
> > >> > and i
> > >> > wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
> > >> > --
> > >> > View this message in context:
> > >> > http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-
> > test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
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> > >> >
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> > >>
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> > >> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by Paul Field <pa...@db.com>.
JUnit 4 is already available (and supported in IDEs such as Eclipse 3.2) - see www.junit.org
Here's a couple of articles that describe some of the JUnit 4 features:
http://www.instrumentalservices.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=52
http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/31983/0/page/1
However, TestNG is still far ahead in terms of features. Their home page lists some of the features (http://testng.org/doc/). It does have a bigger learning curve than JUnit but then it does a lot more :-)
Paul
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Global Markets Research IT
Deutsche Bank
news <ne...@sea.gmane.org> wrote on 22/08/2006 16:33:42:
> I do seem to recall a description of the upcoming JUnit version which seem
> much better
>
> "Vinicius Carvalho" <ja...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:fde284ef0608220445o370f31d6ua2bede94b2ca2852@mail.gmail.com...
> > Not better, WAY better! I like Junit and what they've done for the
> > comunity, but testNG ROCKS!!!
> >
> > On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Because TestNG is better ;)
> >>
> >> On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry testing
> >> > and i
> >> > wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
> >> > --
> >> > View this message in context:
> >> > http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-
> test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
> >> > Sent from the Tapestry - User forum at Nabble.com.
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> >> Tapestry/Dojo/(and a dash of TestNG), team member/developer
> >>
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> >> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by "hv @ Fashion Content" <in...@fashioncontent.com>.
I do seem to recall a description of the upcoming JUnit version which seem
much better
"Vinicius Carvalho" <ja...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:fde284ef0608220445o370f31d6ua2bede94b2ca2852@mail.gmail.com...
> Not better, WAY better! I like Junit and what they've done for the
> comunity, but testNG ROCKS!!!
>
> On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Because TestNG is better ;)
>>
>> On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry testing
>> > and i
>> > wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> > http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
>> > Sent from the Tapestry - User forum at Nabble.com.
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>>
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>> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.
>>
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by Vinicius Carvalho <ja...@gmail.com>.
Not better, WAY better! I like Junit and what they've done for the
comunity, but testNG ROCKS!!!
On 8/22/06, Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Because TestNG is better ;)
>
> On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry testing and i
> > wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by xVik <2r...@inbox.ru>.
I gues it is :)
As i can see Howard has a sharp eye for technologies and he would naver take
a bad one..
But may i ask wat exactly better (in short)?
Jessek wrote:
>
> Because TestNG is better ;)
>
> On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry testing and
>> i
>> wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
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Re: Why Howard choose testNG in tapestry test module
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Because TestNG is better ;)
On 8/21/06, xVik <2r...@inbox.ru> wrote:
>
>
> Yesterday i reed a last post on Howars's blog about tapestry testing and i
> wonder why he choose tastNG not JUnit?
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/Why-Howard-choose-testNG-in-tapestry-test-module-tf2144189.html#a5919185
> Sent from the Tapestry - User forum at Nabble.com.
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