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Posted to dev@camel.apache.org by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com> on 2012/09/22 19:50:04 UTC
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
This was the second time I tried to resolve this issue. Again without
success... Before I will ask the board for other options as Daniel
suggested (in the first mail thread about this started in July), I want to
make sure we see no other possibilities. The status is:
- For our Camel-extra project at Apache-extra [1] we configured the mail
notification by sending mails to commits@camel.apache.org for SVN commits
and new Issues.
- We do not receive these mails on our mailing list.
- The mailing list moderators also doesn't see any mails from Camel-extra
(The mails should be sent from camel-extra.apache-extras.org@codespot.com).
- We didn't got any notifications about bounced mails at Camel-extra and I
don't know somebody by Google Code who could track down this issue on this
side.
- We're stuck so far...
Any idea what we could do?
[1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/
Best,
Christian
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Christian Müller <
christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the invitation Dan, I will think about it... ;-)
> I assume the mails are being trapped before they reach the list. At Google
> code we do not have any possibilities to check this, as far as I know...
>
> Best,
> Christian
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Christian should have emailed his dev list and asked who the moderators
>> > are. Having apmail volunteers do stuff the moderators can do doesn't
>> > scale.
>>
>> As a point of note: as a moderator for those lists, I don't remember
>> seeing any messages from those lists come into the moderator queue.
>> Otherwise I would have moderated them through like I do for everything that
>> comes in via nabble. (could have missed them though) We'll need to keep
>> an eye on it to see if the "allow" stuff actually works or if the messages
>> are being trapped in the spam filters prior to even getting to the lists.
>> That's for Christian and I (and the other moderators) to sort through and
>> see what happens.
>>
>> Another thought for Christian: you *could* volunteer to be an additional
>> moderator for those lists. :-)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> > Sam Ruby wrote on Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 21:19:00 -0400:
>> >> On Sep 12, 2012 8:51 PM, "Gavin McDonald" <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I do believe Sebb was correct in his actions, if no moderators did
>> their
>> >> (volunteer) jobs then we’d have an awful lot of 30 second jobs to do.
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >>> Trying to filter out jobs that can be self-accomplished is not a bad
>> >> thing I don’t think.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> However, we only get a few of these and am only happy to help out, so,
>> >> done.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Gav…
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@gmail.com]
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012 8:05 AM
>> >>> To: Christian Müller
>> >>> Cc: infra@apache.org; Sam Ruby; issues-owner@camel.apache.org;
>> >> commits-owner@camel.apache.org
>> >>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub
>> commenting
>> >> [httpd])
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> And now it looks like Infra is punting their 30 seconds of work back
>> to
>> >> you (the Jira is closed/wontfix already). "A job for the moderator".
>> So now
>> >> we have to contact them (cc'd). And have one of them send the email.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Good Luck,
>> >>>
>> >>> -g
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Christian Müller <
>> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not a moderator, so I filled a JIRA [1].
>> >>> Thanks again for helping Greg.
>> >>>
>> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5268
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>> Christian
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I meant you, Christian. :-)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not an ezmlm expert, so maybe an infra person can correct me if
>> this
>> >> is wrong, but I think you can send an email like:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> to: commits-allow-camel-extra.apache-extras.org=
>> >> codespot.com@camel.apache.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I believe that you need to be one of the moderators to remotely change
>> >> the allow list like that.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Worst case, file an INFRA ticket to tweak the allow list on your two
>> >> mailing lists.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>> -g
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Christian Müller <
>> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry, I only respond to Greg. Forwarding my response to INFRA.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> From: Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
>> >>> Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub
>> commenting
>> >> [httpd])
>> >>> To: Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for the fast reply.
>> >>> By saying "you", do you mean me or INFRA? I don't know how I could do
>> >> this, but I would be happy to do it...
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>> Christian
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> In the administration screens, it states what email address will be
>> used
>> >> for those notifications:
>> >>>
>> >>> camel-extra.apache-extras.org@codespot.com
>> >>>
>> >>> You can add that to the "allow" list for issues@camel.apache.org and
>> >> commits@camel.apache.org. That should let the notifications through.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>> -g
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Christian Müller <
>> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I apologize for hijacking this thread, but we have similar challenges
>> >> with our Camel-Extra project [1] at Apache-Extra.
>> >>> - We do not get any notification on our mailing list is somebody
>> opens an
>> >> Issue there.
>> >>> - We do not get any commit notification on our mailing list.
>> >>>
>> >>> It would be nice if we could improve this in the future. I already
>> >> configured the forward possibilities they offer, but it looks like we
>> >> (Apache) reject the mails. I do not get any error messages from Google
>> >> code. I have no idea how to proceed...
>> >>>
>> >>> [1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for your patience,
>> >>> Christian
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Error! Filename not specified.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kulp
>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
--
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
If you want to follow the discussion, here is the pointer [1].
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201209.mbox/%3CCALvzYd-h4Q=cTEgGqCNEEninhVose8uiGt2gTK22n9cMr_kVyg@mail.gmail.com%3E
Best,
Christian
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>wrote:
> Luciano Resende wrote on Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 14:15:13 -0700:
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Christian Müller <
> > christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks all for the valuable input.
> > > I think there are a few points where we have slightly different
> > > interpretations from what is written down (or not). I want to clarify
> this
> > > on the appropriate mailing list (to make sure our official Apache
> project
> > > and our Apache extra project follows the guidelines). From the link
> [1] I
> > > think it's dev@community.apache.org. I will start a new thread there
> and
> > > point to this one.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Christian
> > >
> > >
> > +1, Thanks
>
> +1
>
>
--
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting
[httpd])
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Luciano Resende wrote on Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 14:15:13 -0700:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Christian Müller <
> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks all for the valuable input.
> > I think there are a few points where we have slightly different
> > interpretations from what is written down (or not). I want to clarify this
> > on the appropriate mailing list (to make sure our official Apache project
> > and our Apache extra project follows the guidelines). From the link [1] I
> > think it's dev@community.apache.org. I will start a new thread there and
> > point to this one.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Christian
> >
> >
> +1, Thanks
+1
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Christian Müller <
christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks all for the valuable input.
> I think there are a few points where we have slightly different
> interpretations from what is written down (or not). I want to clarify this
> on the appropriate mailing list (to make sure our official Apache project
> and our Apache extra project follows the guidelines). From the link [1] I
> think it's dev@community.apache.org. I will start a new thread there and
> point to this one.
>
> [1]
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
>
> Thanks again,
> Christian
>
>
+1, Thanks
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Thanks all for the valuable input.
I think there are a few points where we have slightly different
interpretations from what is written down (or not). I want to clarify this
on the appropriate mailing list (to make sure our official Apache project
and our Apache extra project follows the guidelines). From the link [1] I
think it's dev@community.apache.org. I will start a new thread there and
point to this one.
[1]
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
Thanks again,
Christian
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Doug Cutting <cu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Apache communities do a *ton* of things. If the community is helping to
> >> manage non-ASF stuff... no biggy.
> >>
> >> The ASF websites and releases have very clear requirements on
> vendor-neutral
> >> ALv2 work. If a PMC/community can clearly delineate any work outside of
> >> that... great.
> >>
> >> Just don't confuse our users.
> >
> > I'm a bit confused. If a PMC is coordinating work, no matter where
> > it's hosted, isn't that ASF activity? I've always assumed that work
> > on GPL-licensed stuff at apache-extras should be done by individuals
> > (who may happen to also do work at Apache), but that an Apache PMC
> > should not coordinate that work. That a product is controlled by an
> > Apache PMC seems to me stronger evidence that it's an official Apache
> > product than that it's hosted on Apache-owned servers. (Not to
> > mention that using Apache mailing lists for that coordination does
> > host part of the project on Apache-owned servers.)
> >
> > When we launched Apache Extras we said that, "projects on the new
> > Google-hosted service will not be managed by The Apache Software
> > Foundation". To me that meant that PMCs should not manage projects
> > there.
> >
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
> >
> > Am I misunderstanding your statements above? Or is my interpretation
> > of policy too strict here?
> >
> > Doug
>
> And here is the current official Guidelines for Apache-Extras projects
>
> http://community.apache.org/apache-extras/guidelines.html
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>
--
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Doug Cutting <cu...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Apache communities do a *ton* of things. If the community is helping to
>> manage non-ASF stuff... no biggy.
>>
>> The ASF websites and releases have very clear requirements on vendor-neutral
>> ALv2 work. If a PMC/community can clearly delineate any work outside of
>> that... great.
>>
>> Just don't confuse our users.
>
> I'm a bit confused. If a PMC is coordinating work, no matter where
> it's hosted, isn't that ASF activity? I've always assumed that work
> on GPL-licensed stuff at apache-extras should be done by individuals
> (who may happen to also do work at Apache), but that an Apache PMC
> should not coordinate that work. That a product is controlled by an
> Apache PMC seems to me stronger evidence that it's an official Apache
> product than that it's hosted on Apache-owned servers. (Not to
> mention that using Apache mailing lists for that coordination does
> host part of the project on Apache-owned servers.)
>
> When we launched Apache Extras we said that, "projects on the new
> Google-hosted service will not be managed by The Apache Software
> Foundation". To me that meant that PMCs should not manage projects
> there.
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
>
> Am I misunderstanding your statements above? Or is my interpretation
> of policy too strict here?
>
> Doug
And here is the current official Guidelines for Apache-Extras projects
http://community.apache.org/apache-extras/guidelines.html
Thanks
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Doug Cutting <cu...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apache communities do a *ton* of things. If the community is helping to
> manage non-ASF stuff... no biggy.
>
> The ASF websites and releases have very clear requirements on vendor-neutral
> ALv2 work. If a PMC/community can clearly delineate any work outside of
> that... great.
>
> Just don't confuse our users.
I'm a bit confused. If a PMC is coordinating work, no matter where
it's hosted, isn't that ASF activity? I've always assumed that work
on GPL-licensed stuff at apache-extras should be done by individuals
(who may happen to also do work at Apache), but that an Apache PMC
should not coordinate that work. That a product is controlled by an
Apache PMC seems to me stronger evidence that it's an official Apache
product than that it's hosted on Apache-owned servers. (Not to
mention that using Apache mailing lists for that coordination does
host part of the project on Apache-owned servers.)
When we launched Apache Extras we said that, "projects on the new
Google-hosted service will not be managed by The Apache Software
Foundation". To me that meant that PMCs should not manage projects
there.
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_launches
Am I misunderstanding your statements above? Or is my interpretation
of policy too strict here?
Doug
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Sep 23, 2012 11:48 PM, "Luciano Resende" <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Benson,
> >
> > The license stuff is a red herring. Ignore it.
> >
> > The primary issue is figuring where the notification emails sent to.
> >
> > -g
> >
>
> Sorry for jumping on this so late, but initially I thought this was
> just a infra issue and I saw few directors already involved on this
> thread, but I just want to make sure that we are OK to have non AL2
> commit notifications being sent to an apache commit archived list ?
> Can this cause any confusion in the future with people searching the
> commit archives and starting seeing non AL2 code there ? Or have the
> impression that that code snippet is AL2 licensed ?
Apache communities do a *ton* of things. If the community is helping to
manage non-ASF stuff... no biggy.
The ASF websites and releases have very clear requirements on
vendor-neutral ALv2 work. If a PMC/community can clearly delineate any work
outside of that... great.
Just don't confuse our users.
Cheers,
-g
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Benson,
>
> The license stuff is a red herring. Ignore it.
>
> The primary issue is figuring where the notification emails sent to.
>
> -g
>
Sorry for jumping on this so late, but initially I thought this was
just a infra issue and I saw few directors already involved on this
thread, but I just want to make sure that we are OK to have non AL2
commit notifications being sent to an apache commit archived list ?
Can this cause any confusion in the future with people searching the
commit archives and starting seeing non AL2 code there ? Or have the
impression that that code snippet is AL2 licensed ?
Thanks
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Benson,
The license stuff is a red herring. Ignore it.
The primary issue is figuring where the notification emails sent to.
-g
On Sep 23, 2012 6:27 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With all respect to everyone involved, I really doubt that the infra
> list is the best place for the Camel PMC to refine their understanding
> of how best to cope with glue code for an LGPL dependency. If infra@
> feels that fixing the email flow from extras to core lists is
> inappropriate due to their view of this question, then the best thing
> would be for Camel to go sort this out with legal and/or the board. If
> Camel gets a green light for glue code as a project at extras, fine,
> it's a technology issue. If they don't, this thread is moot.
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>
> wrote:
> > Christian Müller wrote on Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 19:29:21 +0200:
> >> Sorry for being inaccurate. I didn't understood your response as you
> mean
> >> it (only after your last mail). I'm not an English native speaker.
> Please
> >> have understanding for it...
> >>
> >
> > No problem.
> >
> >> We cannot move the camel-extra sources to Apache hardware because they
> have
> >> dependencies which are not allowed at Apache (e.g. the camel-hibernate
> >> component use Hibernate which is LGPL v2.1).
> >>
> >
> > Apache releases must be under the ALv2 but nonetheless may have LGPL
> > libraries as optional dependencies. I won't comment specifically on
> > your case since I don't know the details.
> >
> >> May be I have a wrong understanding what the purpose of Apache-Extra
> is. Do
> >> you have any pointers for me where I can verify my comprehension?
> >
> > I am not aware of any apache.org/ page that explains apache-extras.org.
> > (That's probably an issue for for site-dev@.)
>
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
With all respect to everyone involved, I really doubt that the infra
list is the best place for the Camel PMC to refine their understanding
of how best to cope with glue code for an LGPL dependency. If infra@
feels that fixing the email flow from extras to core lists is
inappropriate due to their view of this question, then the best thing
would be for Camel to go sort this out with legal and/or the board. If
Camel gets a green light for glue code as a project at extras, fine,
it's a technology issue. If they don't, this thread is moot.
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> Christian Müller wrote on Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 19:29:21 +0200:
>> Sorry for being inaccurate. I didn't understood your response as you mean
>> it (only after your last mail). I'm not an English native speaker. Please
>> have understanding for it...
>>
>
> No problem.
>
>> We cannot move the camel-extra sources to Apache hardware because they have
>> dependencies which are not allowed at Apache (e.g. the camel-hibernate
>> component use Hibernate which is LGPL v2.1).
>>
>
> Apache releases must be under the ALv2 but nonetheless may have LGPL
> libraries as optional dependencies. I won't comment specifically on
> your case since I don't know the details.
>
>> May be I have a wrong understanding what the purpose of Apache-Extra is. Do
>> you have any pointers for me where I can verify my comprehension?
>
> I am not aware of any apache.org/ page that explains apache-extras.org.
> (That's probably an issue for for site-dev@.)
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting
[httpd])
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Christian Müller wrote on Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 19:29:21 +0200:
> Sorry for being inaccurate. I didn't understood your response as you mean
> it (only after your last mail). I'm not an English native speaker. Please
> have understanding for it...
>
No problem.
> We cannot move the camel-extra sources to Apache hardware because they have
> dependencies which are not allowed at Apache (e.g. the camel-hibernate
> component use Hibernate which is LGPL v2.1).
>
Apache releases must be under the ALv2 but nonetheless may have LGPL
libraries as optional dependencies. I won't comment specifically on
your case since I don't know the details.
> May be I have a wrong understanding what the purpose of Apache-Extra is. Do
> you have any pointers for me where I can verify my comprehension?
I am not aware of any apache.org/ page that explains apache-extras.org.
(That's probably an issue for for site-dev@.)
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting [httpd])
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Sorry for being inaccurate. I didn't understood your response as you mean
it (only after your last mail). I'm not an English native speaker. Please
have understanding for it...
We cannot move the camel-extra sources to Apache hardware because they have
dependencies which are not allowed at Apache (e.g. the camel-hibernate
component use Hibernate which is LGPL v2.1).
May be I have a wrong understanding what the purpose of Apache-Extra is. Do
you have any pointers for me where I can verify my comprehension?
Best,
Christian
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>wrote:
> Christian Müller wrote on Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 19:50:04 +0200:
> > This was the second time I tried to resolve this issue. Again without
> > success... Before I will ask the board for other options as Daniel
> > suggested (in the first mail thread about this started in July), I want
> to
>
> All I said in the message you refer to boils down to "'Source code of
> Apache projects must live on Apache hardware' is a Board-level policy"
> (not just an infra policy).
>
> Next time, if you quote me, please make it clear what I said. From
> reading your message one could think I told you to ask the board about
> a mail moderation problem.
>
> > make sure we see no other possibilities. The status is:
> > - For our Camel-extra project at Apache-extra [1] we configured the mail
> > notification by sending mails to commits@camel.apache.org for SVN
> commits
> > and new Issues.
> > - We do not receive these mails on our mailing list.
> > - The mailing list moderators also doesn't see any mails from Camel-extra
> > (The mails should be sent from
> camel-extra.apache-extras.org@codespot.com).
> > - We didn't got any notifications about bounced mails at Camel-extra and
> I
> > don't know somebody by Google Code who could track down this issue on
> this
> > side.
> > - We're stuck so far...
> >
> > Any idea what we could do?
> >
> > [1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/
> >
> > Best,
> > Christian
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Christian Müller <
> > christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the invitation Dan, I will think about it... ;-)
> > > I assume the mails are being trapped before they reach the list. At
> Google
> > > code we do not have any possibilities to check this, as far as I
> know...
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Christian
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Sep 13, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Christian should have emailed his dev list and asked who the
> moderators
> > >> > are. Having apmail volunteers do stuff the moderators can do
> doesn't
> > >> > scale.
> > >>
> > >> As a point of note: as a moderator for those lists, I don't remember
> > >> seeing any messages from those lists come into the moderator queue.
> > >> Otherwise I would have moderated them through like I do for
> everything that
> > >> comes in via nabble. (could have missed them though) We'll need
> to keep
> > >> an eye on it to see if the "allow" stuff actually works or if the
> messages
> > >> are being trapped in the spam filters prior to even getting to the
> lists.
> > >> That's for Christian and I (and the other moderators) to sort through
> and
> > >> see what happens.
> > >>
> > >> Another thought for Christian: you *could* volunteer to be an
> additional
> > >> moderator for those lists. :-)
> > >>
> > >> Dan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Sam Ruby wrote on Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 21:19:00 -0400:
> > >> >> On Sep 12, 2012 8:51 PM, "Gavin McDonald" <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I do believe Sebb was correct in his actions, if no moderators
> did
> > >> their
> > >> >> (volunteer) jobs then we’d have an awful lot of 30 second jobs to
> do.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> +1
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Trying to filter out jobs that can be self-accomplished is not a
> bad
> > >> >> thing I don’t think.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> However, we only get a few of these and am only happy to help
> out, so,
> > >> >> done.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Gav…
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@gmail.com]
> > >> >>> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012 8:05 AM
> > >> >>> To: Christian Müller
> > >> >>> Cc: infra@apache.org; Sam Ruby; issues-owner@camel.apache.org;
> > >> >> commits-owner@camel.apache.org
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub
> > >> commenting
> > >> >> [httpd])
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> And now it looks like Infra is punting their 30 seconds of work
> back
> > >> to
> > >> >> you (the Jira is closed/wontfix already). "A job for the
> moderator".
> > >> So now
> > >> >> we have to contact them (cc'd). And have one of them send the
> email.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Good Luck,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -g
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Christian Müller <
> > >> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I'm not a moderator, so I filled a JIRA [1].
> > >> >>> Thanks again for helping Greg.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5268
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Best,
> > >> >>> Christian
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I meant you, Christian. :-)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I'm not an ezmlm expert, so maybe an infra person can correct me
> if
> > >> this
> > >> >> is wrong, but I think you can send an email like:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> to: commits-allow-camel-extra.apache-extras.org=
> > >> >> codespot.com@camel.apache.org
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I believe that you need to be one of the moderators to remotely
> change
> > >> >> the allow list like that.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Worst case, file an INFRA ticket to tweak the allow list on your
> two
> > >> >> mailing lists.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Cheers,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -g
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Christian Müller <
> > >> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sorry, I only respond to Greg. Forwarding my response to INFRA.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >> >>> From: Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>> Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub
> > >> commenting
> > >> >> [httpd])
> > >> >>> To: Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thanks for the fast reply.
> > >> >>> By saying "you", do you mean me or INFRA? I don't know how I
> could do
> > >> >> this, but I would be happy to do it...
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Best,
> > >> >>> Christian
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> In the administration screens, it states what email address will
> be
> > >> used
> > >> >> for those notifications:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> camel-extra.apache-extras.org@codespot.com
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> You can add that to the "allow" list for issues@camel.apache.organd
> > >> >> commits@camel.apache.org. That should let the notifications
> through.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Cheers,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -g
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Christian Müller <
> > >> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I apologize for hijacking this thread, but we have similar
> challenges
> > >> >> with our Camel-Extra project [1] at Apache-Extra.
> > >> >>> - We do not get any notification on our mailing list is somebody
> > >> opens an
> > >> >> Issue there.
> > >> >>> - We do not get any commit notification on our mailing list.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> It would be nice if we could improve this in the future. I already
> > >> >> configured the forward possibilities they offer, but it looks like
> we
> > >> >> (Apache) reject the mails. I do not get any error messages from
> Google
> > >> >> code. I have no idea how to proceed...
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> [1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thanks for your patience,
> > >> >>> Christian
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> Error! Filename not specified.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Daniel Kulp
> > >> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > >> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
>
--
Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub commenting
[httpd])
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Christian Müller wrote on Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 19:50:04 +0200:
> This was the second time I tried to resolve this issue. Again without
> success... Before I will ask the board for other options as Daniel
> suggested (in the first mail thread about this started in July), I want to
All I said in the message you refer to boils down to "'Source code of
Apache projects must live on Apache hardware' is a Board-level policy"
(not just an infra policy).
Next time, if you quote me, please make it clear what I said. From
reading your message one could think I told you to ask the board about
a mail moderation problem.
> make sure we see no other possibilities. The status is:
> - For our Camel-extra project at Apache-extra [1] we configured the mail
> notification by sending mails to commits@camel.apache.org for SVN commits
> and new Issues.
> - We do not receive these mails on our mailing list.
> - The mailing list moderators also doesn't see any mails from Camel-extra
> (The mails should be sent from camel-extra.apache-extras.org@codespot.com).
> - We didn't got any notifications about bounced mails at Camel-extra and I
> don't know somebody by Google Code who could track down this issue on this
> side.
> - We're stuck so far...
>
> Any idea what we could do?
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/
>
> Best,
> Christian
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Christian Müller <
> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the invitation Dan, I will think about it... ;-)
> > I assume the mails are being trapped before they reach the list. At Google
> > code we do not have any possibilities to check this, as far as I know...
> >
> > Best,
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Sep 13, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Christian should have emailed his dev list and asked who the moderators
> >> > are. Having apmail volunteers do stuff the moderators can do doesn't
> >> > scale.
> >>
> >> As a point of note: as a moderator for those lists, I don't remember
> >> seeing any messages from those lists come into the moderator queue.
> >> Otherwise I would have moderated them through like I do for everything that
> >> comes in via nabble. (could have missed them though) We'll need to keep
> >> an eye on it to see if the "allow" stuff actually works or if the messages
> >> are being trapped in the spam filters prior to even getting to the lists.
> >> That's for Christian and I (and the other moderators) to sort through and
> >> see what happens.
> >>
> >> Another thought for Christian: you *could* volunteer to be an additional
> >> moderator for those lists. :-)
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Sam Ruby wrote on Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 21:19:00 -0400:
> >> >> On Sep 12, 2012 8:51 PM, "Gavin McDonald" <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I do believe Sebb was correct in his actions, if no moderators did
> >> their
> >> >> (volunteer) jobs then we’d have an awful lot of 30 second jobs to do.
> >> >>
> >> >> +1
> >> >>
> >> >>> Trying to filter out jobs that can be self-accomplished is not a bad
> >> >> thing I don’t think.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> However, we only get a few of these and am only happy to help out, so,
> >> >> done.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Gav…
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@gmail.com]
> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012 8:05 AM
> >> >>> To: Christian Müller
> >> >>> Cc: infra@apache.org; Sam Ruby; issues-owner@camel.apache.org;
> >> >> commits-owner@camel.apache.org
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub
> >> commenting
> >> >> [httpd])
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And now it looks like Infra is punting their 30 seconds of work back
> >> to
> >> >> you (the Jira is closed/wontfix already). "A job for the moderator".
> >> So now
> >> >> we have to contact them (cc'd). And have one of them send the email.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Good Luck,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -g
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Christian Müller <
> >> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm not a moderator, so I filled a JIRA [1].
> >> >>> Thanks again for helping Greg.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5268
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> Christian
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I meant you, Christian. :-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm not an ezmlm expert, so maybe an infra person can correct me if
> >> this
> >> >> is wrong, but I think you can send an email like:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> to: commits-allow-camel-extra.apache-extras.org=
> >> >> codespot.com@camel.apache.org
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I believe that you need to be one of the moderators to remotely change
> >> >> the allow list like that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Worst case, file an INFRA ticket to tweak the allow list on your two
> >> >> mailing lists.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cheers,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -g
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Christian Müller <
> >> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sorry, I only respond to Greg. Forwarding my response to INFRA.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> >>> From: Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Apache Extras notifications (was: Disable GitHub
> >> commenting
> >> >> [httpd])
> >> >>> To: Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks for the fast reply.
> >> >>> By saying "you", do you mean me or INFRA? I don't know how I could do
> >> >> this, but I would be happy to do it...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best,
> >> >>> Christian
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In the administration screens, it states what email address will be
> >> used
> >> >> for those notifications:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> camel-extra.apache-extras.org@codespot.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You can add that to the "allow" list for issues@camel.apache.org and
> >> >> commits@camel.apache.org. That should let the notifications through.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cheers,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -g
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Christian Müller <
> >> >> christian.mueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I apologize for hijacking this thread, but we have similar challenges
> >> >> with our Camel-Extra project [1] at Apache-Extra.
> >> >>> - We do not get any notification on our mailing list is somebody
> >> opens an
> >> >> Issue there.
> >> >>> - We do not get any commit notification on our mailing list.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It would be nice if we could improve this in the future. I already
> >> >> configured the forward possibilities they offer, but it looks like we
> >> >> (Apache) reject the mails. I do not get any error messages from Google
> >> >> code. I have no idea how to proceed...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks for your patience,
> >> >>> Christian
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Error! Filename not specified.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Daniel Kulp
> >> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> >> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --