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"Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java"
JavaONE 2006 is over. Sun have not opend Java, as many people have hoped.
But Sun hold on the speculations, if Suns Java will be OpenSource or not.
At OSNews.com at
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.
The links ends up at Jonathan Schwatzs blog at
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan
where he writes
"But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious progress on
open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is very much
*on* the table), [...]"
Greatings
theuserbl
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Re: "Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java"
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Shashank "Shanky" Tiwari wrote:
> If all the specifications get GPLed, what might be impact on commercial
> vendors who sell JVMs and containers? Any ideas?
The specs won't get GPL-ed. What we are talking about is Sun's
implementation of the spec getting put under an open source license,
possibly the GPL.
As for the commercial vendors? I don't think that there are many that
actually sell a VM, at least for the use cases that I've used Java
(desktop, server). I know the major JVM distributors license Sun's
class library, so depending on the terms of the open source license,
they just may be able to use it directly.
Dunno.
geir
>
> shanky
>
> On 6/1/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> theUser BL wrote:
>> > JavaONE 2006 is over. Sun have not opend Java, as many people have
>> hoped.
>>
>> No one really expected it.
>>
>> The thing that JS did was formally commit his company to doing so in
>> public. It's a step forward.
>>
>> >
>> > But Sun hold on the speculations, if Suns Java will be OpenSource or
>> not.
>> >
>> > At OSNews.com at
>> > http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
>> > stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.
>> >
>>
>> yes, because of a statement in JS's blog, as you note below.
>>
>>
>> > The links ends up at Jonathan Schwatzs blog at
>> > http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan
>> > where he writes
>> > "But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious
>> progress
>> > on open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is
>> > very much *on* the table), [...]"
>> >
>>
>> I found his phrasing "despite the cynics" ironic, because we cynics
>> expect that it would be GPL or something equally as restrictive in
>> order to preserve as much control as possible.
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
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Re: "Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java"
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Shashank "Shanky" Tiwari wrote:
> If all the specifications get GPLed, what might be impact on commercial
> vendors who sell JVMs and containers? Any ideas?
Multiple licenses, of course. Ask MySQL how that is :-)
>
> shanky
>
> On 6/1/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> theUser BL wrote:
>> > JavaONE 2006 is over. Sun have not opend Java, as many people have
>> hoped.
>>
>> No one really expected it.
>>
>> The thing that JS did was formally commit his company to doing so in
>> public. It's a step forward.
>>
>> >
>> > But Sun hold on the speculations, if Suns Java will be OpenSource or
>> not.
>> >
>> > At OSNews.com at
>> > http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
>> > stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.
>> >
>>
>> yes, because of a statement in JS's blog, as you note below.
>>
>>
>> > The links ends up at Jonathan Schwatzs blog at
>> > http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan
>> > where he writes
>> > "But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious
>> progress
>> > on open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is
>> > very much *on* the table), [...]"
>> >
>>
>> I found his phrasing "despite the cynics" ironic, because we cynics
>> expect that it would be GPL or something equally as restrictive in
>> order to preserve as much control as possible.
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
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Re: "Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java"
Posted by "Shashank \"Shanky\" Tiwari" <ts...@gmail.com>.
If all the specifications get GPLed, what might be impact on commercial
vendors who sell JVMs and containers? Any ideas?
shanky
On 6/1/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> theUser BL wrote:
> > JavaONE 2006 is over. Sun have not opend Java, as many people have
> hoped.
>
> No one really expected it.
>
> The thing that JS did was formally commit his company to doing so in
> public. It's a step forward.
>
> >
> > But Sun hold on the speculations, if Suns Java will be OpenSource or
> not.
> >
> > At OSNews.com at
> > http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
> > stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.
> >
>
> yes, because of a statement in JS's blog, as you note below.
>
>
> > The links ends up at Jonathan Schwatzs blog at
> > http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan
> > where he writes
> > "But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious progress
> > on open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is
> > very much *on* the table), [...]"
> >
>
> I found his phrasing "despite the cynics" ironic, because we cynics
> expect that it would be GPL or something equally as restrictive in
> order to preserve as much control as possible.
>
> geir
>
>
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Re: "Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java"
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> <shrug>
>
> who cares, we have enough momentum to get to certification before their
> lawyers even finish the above discussions :-)
That's the goal :)
geir
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Re: "Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java"
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>> The links ends up at Jonathan Schwatzs blog at
>> http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan
>> where he writes
>> "But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious
>> progress on open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL
>> license is very much *on* the table), [...]"
>>
>
> I found his phrasing "despite the cynics" ironic, because we cynics
> expect that it would be GPL or something equally as restrictive in
> order to preserve as much control as possible.
Right.
My bet goes on dual CDDL: reciprocal and non-reciprocal. The things they
dont' care to control go under non-reciprocal CDDL, the ones that do go
under reciprocal CDDL.
And yes, it won't be compatible with the GPL (because of it will need IP
provisions that the GPL doesn't have) and it won't be compatible with
the Apache License 2.0 (because it will be reciprocal).
As a result, it will be open source, there won't be no community for 3
years and neither Classpath nor Harmony will be able to use a single
line of code from it.
<shrug>
who cares, we have enough momentum to get to certification before their
lawyers even finish the above discussions :-)
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Re: "Sun Says GPL Is a Possibility for OSS Java"
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
theUser BL wrote:
> JavaONE 2006 is over. Sun have not opend Java, as many people have hoped.
No one really expected it.
The thing that JS did was formally commit his company to doing so in
public. It's a step forward.
>
> But Sun hold on the speculations, if Suns Java will be OpenSource or not.
>
> At OSNews.com at
> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14770
> stand, that a GPL Java could be possible.
>
yes, because of a statement in JS's blog, as you note below.
> The links ends up at Jonathan Schwatzs blog at
> http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan
> where he writes
> "But all in all, a really great week - we're now making serious progress
> on open sourcing Java (and despite the cynics, using a GPL license is
> very much *on* the table), [...]"
>
I found his phrasing "despite the cynics" ironic, because we cynics
expect that it would be GPL or something equally as restrictive in
order to preserve as much control as possible.
geir
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