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Posted to user@jspwiki.apache.org by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> on 2015/08/04 04:43:53 UTC
Re: Haddock editor icons missing?
Hi Dirk/All,
On 30/06/15 07:45, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
> Dave,
>
> You are not missing icons; the HADDOCK editor toolbar has been simplified
> as much as possible.
I'm really not understanding this at all, quite possibly because I'm
missing something quite fundamental.
If a first-time JSPWiki user with Haddock enabled wants to perform basic
formatting tasks, for example:
* bolding/italicizing text
* inserting a ToC
* inserting a link
* inserting headings
And so forth, exactly how or where is this performed in Haddock without
the associated toolbar icons, and without otherwise a knowledge of
JSPWiki's markup?
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Dave Koelmeyer <
> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It occurred to me today I might be missing a chunk of the Haddock
>> template editor toolbar. It's hard to verify this against a general lack
>> of screenshots. Can someone please confirm?
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q48h9lvkj44joar/JSPWiki-EditorIcons-1.png?dl=0
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>
Re: Haddock editor icons missing?
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz>.
On 05/08/15 21:44, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>
> I think it's too stripped back, yes. The option to enable
> auto-suggestions, and full access to the markup are the expert-friendly
> options which I really like JSPWiki for, but this change I would say
> goes too far in the direction of being beginner-unfriendly.
I've now filed JSPWIKI-908 on this one.
Cheers,
Dave
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Re: Haddock editor icons missing?
Posted by Dave Koelmeyer <da...@apertura.co.nz>.
Hi Dirk,
On 05/08/15 07:05, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
> Probably I went overboard in simplifying the plain editor ui, by replacing
> most toolbar icons by Auto-suggest menu's.
> But obviously that requires you first turn on the "auto-suggest" option,
> which are off by default after clearing the cookies.
>
> Possibly it would be better to bring back the most common editor commands
> in the toolbar, or introduce a hide/reveal toolbar, similar to gmail.
I think it's too stripped back, yes. The option to enable
auto-suggestions, and full access to the markup are the expert-friendly
options which I really like JSPWiki for, but this change I would say
goes too far in the direction of being beginner-unfriendly. The
advantage gained by screen space freed up from removing the expected
basic formatting icons is disproportionately offset by how
counter-intuitive the new layout is. New starters wouldn't have a clue
how to format their content at first or second glance.
PlainVanilla had a pretty good selection of basic formatting icons –
maybe adopt these or a subset (appreciating of course that you don't
want to simply recreate PlainVanilla). The editor icons in Confluence
and WordPress.com could also be good points of reference:
* https://www.dropbox.com/s/5peew58mlk94wqq/conf.png?dl=0
* https://www.dropbox.com/s/07zos5uc6gw4ph2/wp.png?dl=0
Cheers,
Dave
--
Dave Koelmeyer
http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:43 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dirk/All,
>>
>> On 30/06/15 07:45, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> You are not missing icons; the HADDOCK editor toolbar has been
>> simplified
>>> as much as possible.
>> I'm really not understanding this at all, quite possibly because I'm
>> missing something quite fundamental.
>>
>> If a first-time JSPWiki user with Haddock enabled wants to perform basic
>> formatting tasks, for example:
>>
>> * bolding/italicizing text
>> * inserting a ToC
>> * inserting a link
>> * inserting headings
>>
>>
>> And so forth, exactly how or where is this performed in Haddock without
>> the associated toolbar icons, and without otherwise a knowledge of
>> JSPWiki's markup?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Dave Koelmeyer <
>>> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> It occurred to me today I might be missing a chunk of the Haddock
>>>> template editor toolbar. It's hard to verify this against a general lack
>>>> of screenshots. Can someone please confirm?
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q48h9lvkj44joar/JSPWiki-EditorIcons-1.png?dl=0
Re: Haddock editor icons missing?
Posted by Dirk Frederickx <di...@gmail.com>.
Dave, all
Probably I went overboard in simplifying the plain editor ui, by replacing
most toolbar icons by Auto-suggest menu's.
But obviously that requires you first turn on the "auto-suggest" option,
which are off by default after clearing the cookies.
Possibly it would be better to bring back the most common editor commands
in the toolbar, or introduce a hide/reveal toolbar, similar to gmail.
Please try activating the AUTO-SUGGEST option, and then :
- try selecting a word or sentence, and you should see a pop-up menu,
including bold, italic, etc.
- try entering [ and you get an ajax dropdown to help entering links as you
type the a pagename
- try entering [{, and you should get a suggestion menu for plugins, TOC,
ACLs, variables etc.
- btw, entering ACL's has now ajax support too, to retrieve the
names of available groups etc.
- try entering %% to see style options
- try entering & to add special characters or html entities
- try entering # to get a color-wheel
- etc..
dirk
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:43 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> Hi Dirk/All,
>
> On 30/06/15 07:45, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > You are not missing icons; the HADDOCK editor toolbar has been
> simplified
> > as much as possible.
>
> I'm really not understanding this at all, quite possibly because I'm
> missing something quite fundamental.
>
> If a first-time JSPWiki user with Haddock enabled wants to perform basic
> formatting tasks, for example:
>
> * bolding/italicizing text
> * inserting a ToC
> * inserting a link
> * inserting headings
>
>
> And so forth, exactly how or where is this performed in Haddock without
> the associated toolbar icons, and without otherwise a knowledge of
> JSPWiki's markup?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> --
> Dave Koelmeyer
> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>
>
>
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Dave Koelmeyer <
> > dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> It occurred to me today I might be missing a chunk of the Haddock
> >> template editor toolbar. It's hard to verify this against a general lack
> >> of screenshots. Can someone please confirm?
> >>
> >>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q48h9lvkj44joar/JSPWiki-EditorIcons-1.png?dl=0
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dave Koelmeyer
> >> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
> >>
>
>