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Posted to dev@directory.apache.org by Yeliz Eseryel <ye...@alum.syracuse.edu> on 2007/04/25 17:18:46 UTC
Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research Group
Hi Ole,
We're trying to understand whether different people in the group have
similar understandings about the project, its community, the rules and
norms, etc.
The hypothesis being "developers of successful projects have similar
mental models"
So we'll talk with different people, and then develop something called
"cognitive maps" for each developer and then come up with the
cognitive map of the whole team. It will actually be quite interesting
for you guys to see as well.
I also have another project in mind, that I was just talking to Alex
about: that's about the roles of the team members.
So the approach requires individual interviews I think, however, if
people who cannot attend ApacheCon Europe email us, we can do
interviews via skype or email, etc. Once we do the interviews, we can
also do the discussion on the listserv :)
Yeliz.
On 4/25/07, Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you have some idea of what you are trying to
> find? Hypothesis?
>
> One thing that you might want to consider is just
> asking questions on the directory developer
> or user group. I'm assuming we are all
> ok with this. I think you'll get more meaningful
> peer reviewed responses, and you'll get to witness
> community dynamics in action :-)
>
> Cheers,
> - Ole
>
>
>
> Qing Li wrote:
> > Dear Directory developers,
> >
> > We are Free/Libre Open Source Software (FLOSS) research group in
> > Syracuse University, USA. (Please see our website: http://floss.syr.edu
> > ). I know most of you don?t know us, but we are actually ?part of
> > Directory community? now (Quoted from Alex :- )) Last year, we had a
> > great time talking with some of Directory developers-- including Alex,
> > Emmanuel, Ersin, PAM--at ApacheCon Austin 2006. We're contacting you
> > know because we would like to do an in-depth interview with the
> > Directory developers.
> >
> > The main purpose of this interview is to examine the role of shared
> > mental models (shared understanding) in work practices, i.e., the way
> > people coordinate, communicate, learn and make decisions, and the way
> > such models emerge within Directory team. In particular, the interview
> > will be focused on five elements, namely the history of the project, the
> > project aspects considered as peculiar, the adopted work practices and
> > the way each team member perceives his/her role and the role played by
> > other members.
> >
> > We have already mentioned our research to Alex. He is very supportive of
> > it and asked us to post this request in the public developer list to
> > attract extensive participation. The whole interview will take about
> > 20-30 minutes and can be conducted by phone, Skype or face-to-face (for
> > the developers attending ApacheCon Europe in Amsterdam). The results
> > will be presented we hope at a future ApacheCon and in other academic
> > conferences. We will be very appreciative of your kindness if you are
> > willing to provide some time to attend our interview : -) . We?d like to
> > share any interesting findings with your team after conducting the
> > analysis.
> >
> > If you are interested in the research and willing to be interviewed,
> > please contact us: Qing Li (qli03@syr.edu) and Yeliz Eseryel
> > (yeliz2002@gmail.com). We are very happy to provide more information for
> > you.
> >
> > Cheers ! To great Directory!
> > FLOSS Research Group (http://floss.syr.edu )
> > April 23, 2007
> > Syracuse University, USA
> >
> >
> >
>
--
Yeliz Eseryel
Ph.D Student in Information Science & Technology
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://enterprisesystems.blogspot.com
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Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research Group
Posted by Chris Custine <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hi everyone,
I want to add my 2 cents and say that I agree that this mailing list is not
appropriate for such a topic. The dev lists are for development discussions
and spamming it with the other information may in fact turn off part of the
ApacheDS audience that monitors these lists.
I think that the community will benefit from the results and conclusions,
but not the noise required to get there. I am sure that the raw data will
be available if requested...
Chris
On 4/25/07, Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Emmanuel,
>
> Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ole
> >
> >> Ole Ersoy a écrit :
> >> <snip/>
> >> I think this will be most useful
> >> to the Apache Directory group
> >> if the questions are asked
> >> through the mailing list.
> >
> > <snip/>
> >
> > I think the point is not to be 'usefull to the ADS group', but to
> > fulfill some research they are doing.
>
> The point is that it's possible to
> for them to be useful to us, and for
> us to be useful to them. It's called
> a win win.
>
> > They drive the research, they choose the media.
>
> They communicated on the list.
> I communicated on the list.
>
> They asked for help. I made a suggestion
> that I thought would be beneficial to us all.
>
> > This ML is focused on
> > dev discussion, and exchanging dozens of off-topic mails here would
> > harms the 200 subscribed people.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion. From what I could tell, it
> sounded like the questions would benefit everyone
> on this list, because they are targeted at the dynamics
> of this developer group.
>
> How does it harm the 200?
>
>
> > If they prefer interviews, fine. If you
> > don't want to answer or participate, fine again. What I would just ask
> > from her is of course a feedback, when the research is over !
>
> I said I would participate and I outlined the conditions.
>
> Thanks for the enlightenment.
> Ole
>
Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research
Group
Posted by Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com>.
Hey Emmanuel,
Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>
> Hi Ole
>
>> Ole Ersoy a écrit :
>> <snip/>
>> I think this will be most useful
>> to the Apache Directory group
>> if the questions are asked
>> through the mailing list.
>
> <snip/>
>
> I think the point is not to be 'usefull to the ADS group', but to
> fulfill some research they are doing.
The point is that it's possible to
for them to be useful to us, and for
us to be useful to them. It's called
a win win.
> They drive the research, they choose the media.
They communicated on the list.
I communicated on the list.
They asked for help. I made a suggestion
that I thought would be beneficial to us all.
> This ML is focused on
> dev discussion, and exchanging dozens of off-topic mails here would
> harms the 200 subscribed people.
You are entitled to your opinion. From what I could tell, it
sounded like the questions would benefit everyone
on this list, because they are targeted at the dynamics
of this developer group.
How does it harm the 200?
> If they prefer interviews, fine. If you
> don't want to answer or participate, fine again. What I would just ask
> from her is of course a feedback, when the research is over !
I said I would participate and I outlined the conditions.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
Ole
Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research
Group
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@apache.org>.
Hi Ole
> Ole Ersoy a écrit :
> <snip/>
> I think this will be most useful
> to the Apache Directory group
> if the questions are asked
> through the mailing list.
<snip/>
I think the point is not to be 'usefull to the ADS group', but to
fulfill some research they are doing.
They drive the research, they choose the media. This ML is focused on
dev discussion, and exchanging dozens of off-topic mails here would
harms the 200 subscribed people. If they prefer interviews, fine. If you
don't want to answer or participate, fine again. What I would just ask
from her is of course a feedback, when the research is over !
Thanks
Emmanuel
Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research
Group
Posted by Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com>.
Yeliz,
Sounds great. Like Alex said, it may be only myself
that thinks that it's valuable to have this type
of research be conducted in a public forum, so by
all means just take it as my 2 cents and in the end
go with the approach you feel is best.
That's what I always do, so I definitely understand
when others do it as well :-)
Good luck!
Cheers,
- Ole
Yeliz Eseryel wrote:
> Guys,
> No problem. This is good discussion. We'll do as suggested.
> Yeliz. :)
>
> On 4/25/07, Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> Alex Karasulu wrote:
>> > Hi Ole, Yeliz, Qing,
>> >
>> > On 4/25/07, *Ole Ersoy* <ole.ersoy@gmail.com
>> > <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Yeliz,
>> >
>> > Sounds interesting.
>> >
>> > I think this will be most useful
>> > to the Apache Directory group
>> > if the questions are asked
>> > through the mailing list.
>> >
>> >
>> > These are not technical discussions and not central to our community's
>> > operation so there is no need to enforce the use of the ML.
>>
>> Only stated my opinion.
>>
>> > You need to
>> > chill out with pushing that indiscriminately. I appreciate your
>> > diligence however to keep all technical discussions on the list however
>> > there's no need to force these nice folks interested in analyzing us to
>> > keep their interviews for a study public on the ML. You're going to
>> > scare them off.
>>
>> Why is that?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > That way everyone gets a real time
>> > reflection of thoughts about this.
>> >
>> >
>> > They may like to ask some private questions and that's fine. You don't
>> > have a right to constrain their choice of a medium.
>>
>> I have the right to make suggestions.
>>
>> > There may be other
>> > human expressions they look for besides those that can be conveyed via
>> > email.
>>
>> That's why I said that I will answer questions
>> that need to be asked in private, but I will
>> need justification for why they need to be asked
>> in private.
>>
>> >
>> > I think your hypothesis is a good
>> > one and a natural one.
>> >
>> > When people work in teams it helps
>> > a great deal if everyone uses similar
>> > conventions and processes, so that when
>> > tasks need to be transitioned, they can
>> > be picked up by other team members
>> > with minimum required effort.
>> >
>> > I think the "Convention over Configuration"
>> > principle captures the idea nicely.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So I'll be glad to answer questions on the mailing list.
>> >
>> >
>> > That's your personal medium of choice and this is fine but in no way
>> are
>> > Qing and Yeliz required to do that with everyone. This is not critical
>> > to what we do here day in and day out with the code or the community.
>>
>> It's my opinion that this medium will be the best for this community,
>> for the reasons I stated.
>>
>> >
>> > If there are questions that must be asked in a non-public
>> > forum, I'll be glad to answer those through regular email,
>> > but I would need detailed justification for why they
>> > need to be non-public.
>> >
>> >
>> > Fine for you but this is your personal choice and Qing and Yeliz
>> should
>> > not feel as though everyone requests this.
>>
>> Absolutely. It's just my personal recommendation for the process.
>>
>> Ole
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research Group
Posted by Yeliz Eseryel <ye...@alum.syracuse.edu>.
Guys,
No problem. This is good discussion. We'll do as suggested.
Yeliz. :)
On 4/25/07, Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> Alex Karasulu wrote:
> > Hi Ole, Yeliz, Qing,
> >
> > On 4/25/07, *Ole Ersoy* <ole.ersoy@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Yeliz,
> >
> > Sounds interesting.
> >
> > I think this will be most useful
> > to the Apache Directory group
> > if the questions are asked
> > through the mailing list.
> >
> >
> > These are not technical discussions and not central to our community's
> > operation so there is no need to enforce the use of the ML.
>
> Only stated my opinion.
>
> > You need to
> > chill out with pushing that indiscriminately. I appreciate your
> > diligence however to keep all technical discussions on the list however
> > there's no need to force these nice folks interested in analyzing us to
> > keep their interviews for a study public on the ML. You're going to
> > scare them off.
>
> Why is that?
>
>
> >
> > That way everyone gets a real time
> > reflection of thoughts about this.
> >
> >
> > They may like to ask some private questions and that's fine. You don't
> > have a right to constrain their choice of a medium.
>
> I have the right to make suggestions.
>
> > There may be other
> > human expressions they look for besides those that can be conveyed via
> > email.
>
> That's why I said that I will answer questions
> that need to be asked in private, but I will
> need justification for why they need to be asked
> in private.
>
> >
> > I think your hypothesis is a good
> > one and a natural one.
> >
> > When people work in teams it helps
> > a great deal if everyone uses similar
> > conventions and processes, so that when
> > tasks need to be transitioned, they can
> > be picked up by other team members
> > with minimum required effort.
> >
> > I think the "Convention over Configuration"
> > principle captures the idea nicely.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I'll be glad to answer questions on the mailing list.
> >
> >
> > That's your personal medium of choice and this is fine but in no way are
> > Qing and Yeliz required to do that with everyone. This is not critical
> > to what we do here day in and day out with the code or the community.
>
> It's my opinion that this medium will be the best for this community,
> for the reasons I stated.
>
> >
> > If there are questions that must be asked in a non-public
> > forum, I'll be glad to answer those through regular email,
> > but I would need detailed justification for why they
> > need to be non-public.
> >
> >
> > Fine for you but this is your personal choice and Qing and Yeliz should
> > not feel as though everyone requests this.
>
> Absolutely. It's just my personal recommendation for the process.
>
> Ole
>
>
--
Yeliz Eseryel
Ph.D Student in Information Science & Technology
Syracuse University School of Information Studies
http://enterprisesystems.blogspot.com
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Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research
Group
Posted by Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com>.
Hey Guys,
Alex Karasulu wrote:
> Hi Ole, Yeliz, Qing,
>
> On 4/25/07, *Ole Ersoy* <ole.ersoy@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Yeliz,
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
> I think this will be most useful
> to the Apache Directory group
> if the questions are asked
> through the mailing list.
>
>
> These are not technical discussions and not central to our community's
> operation so there is no need to enforce the use of the ML.
Only stated my opinion.
> You need to
> chill out with pushing that indiscriminately. I appreciate your
> diligence however to keep all technical discussions on the list however
> there's no need to force these nice folks interested in analyzing us to
> keep their interviews for a study public on the ML. You're going to
> scare them off.
Why is that?
>
> That way everyone gets a real time
> reflection of thoughts about this.
>
>
> They may like to ask some private questions and that's fine. You don't
> have a right to constrain their choice of a medium.
I have the right to make suggestions.
> There may be other
> human expressions they look for besides those that can be conveyed via
> email.
That's why I said that I will answer questions
that need to be asked in private, but I will
need justification for why they need to be asked
in private.
>
> I think your hypothesis is a good
> one and a natural one.
>
> When people work in teams it helps
> a great deal if everyone uses similar
> conventions and processes, so that when
> tasks need to be transitioned, they can
> be picked up by other team members
> with minimum required effort.
>
> I think the "Convention over Configuration"
> principle captures the idea nicely.
>
>
>
> So I'll be glad to answer questions on the mailing list.
>
>
> That's your personal medium of choice and this is fine but in no way are
> Qing and Yeliz required to do that with everyone. This is not critical
> to what we do here day in and day out with the code or the community.
It's my opinion that this medium will be the best for this community,
for the reasons I stated.
>
> If there are questions that must be asked in a non-public
> forum, I'll be glad to answer those through regular email,
> but I would need detailed justification for why they
> need to be non-public.
>
>
> Fine for you but this is your personal choice and Qing and Yeliz should
> not feel as though everyone requests this.
Absolutely. It's just my personal recommendation for the process.
Ole
Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research Group
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org>.
Hi Ole, Yeliz, Qing,
On 4/25/07, Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Yeliz,
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
> I think this will be most useful
> to the Apache Directory group
> if the questions are asked
> through the mailing list.
These are not technical discussions and not central to our community's
operation so there is no need to enforce the use of the ML. You need to
chill out with pushing that indiscriminately. I appreciate your diligence
however to keep all technical discussions on the list however there's no
need to force these nice folks interested in analyzing us to keep their
interviews for a study public on the ML. You're going to scare them off.
That way everyone gets a real time
> reflection of thoughts about this.
They may like to ask some private questions and that's fine. You don't have
a right to constrain their choice of a medium. There may be other human
expressions they look for besides those that can be conveyed via email.
I think your hypothesis is a good
> one and a natural one.
>
> When people work in teams it helps
> a great deal if everyone uses similar
> conventions and processes, so that when
> tasks need to be transitioned, they can
> be picked up by other team members
> with minimum required effort.
>
> I think the "Convention over Configuration"
> principle captures the idea nicely.
So I'll be glad to answer questions on the mailing list.
That's your personal medium of choice and this is fine but in no way are
Qing and Yeliz required to do that with everyone. This is not critical to
what we do here day in and day out with the code or the community.
If there are questions that must be asked in a non-public
> forum, I'll be glad to answer those through regular email,
> but I would need detailed justification for why they
> need to be non-public.
Fine for you but this is your personal choice and Qing and Yeliz should not
feel as though everyone requests this.
Alex
Re: [Request] A Interview Request from Syracuse University OSS Research
Group
Posted by Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com>.
Hi Yeliz,
Sounds interesting.
I think this will be most useful
to the Apache Directory group
if the questions are asked
through the mailing list.
That way everyone gets a real time
reflection of thoughts about this.
I think your hypothesis is a good
one and a natural one.
When people work in teams it helps
a great deal if everyone uses similar
conventions and processes, so that when
tasks need to be transitioned, they can
be picked up by other team members
with minimum required effort.
I think the "Convention over Configuration"
principle captures the idea nicely.
So I'll be glad to answer questions on the mailing list.
If there are questions that must be asked in a non-public
forum, I'll be glad to answer those through regular email,
but I would need detailed justification for why they
need to be non-public.
Good luck!
Cheers,
- Ole
Yeliz Eseryel wrote:
> Hi Ole,
> We're trying to understand whether different people in the group have
> similar understandings about the project, its community, the rules and
> norms, etc.
> The hypothesis being "developers of successful projects have similar
> mental models"
> So we'll talk with different people, and then develop something called
> "cognitive maps" for each developer and then come up with the
> cognitive map of the whole team. It will actually be quite interesting
> for you guys to see as well.
>
> I also have another project in mind, that I was just talking to Alex
> about: that's about the roles of the team members.
>
> So the approach requires individual interviews I think, however, if
> people who cannot attend ApacheCon Europe email us, we can do
> interviews via skype or email, etc. Once we do the interviews, we can
> also do the discussion on the listserv :)
> Yeliz.
>
> On 4/25/07, Ole Ersoy <ol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you have some idea of what you are trying to
>> find? Hypothesis?
>>
>> One thing that you might want to consider is just
>> asking questions on the directory developer
>> or user group. I'm assuming we are all
>> ok with this. I think you'll get more meaningful
>> peer reviewed responses, and you'll get to witness
>> community dynamics in action :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> Qing Li wrote:
>> > Dear Directory developers,
>> >
>> > We are Free/Libre Open Source Software (FLOSS) research group in
>> > Syracuse University, USA. (Please see our website: http://floss.syr.edu
>> > ). I know most of you don?t know us, but we are actually ?part of
>> > Directory community? now (Quoted from Alex :- )) Last year, we had a
>> > great time talking with some of Directory developers-- including Alex,
>> > Emmanuel, Ersin, PAM--at ApacheCon Austin 2006. We're contacting you
>> > know because we would like to do an in-depth interview with the
>> > Directory developers.
>> >
>> > The main purpose of this interview is to examine the role of shared
>> > mental models (shared understanding) in work practices, i.e., the way
>> > people coordinate, communicate, learn and make decisions, and the way
>> > such models emerge within Directory team. In particular, the interview
>> > will be focused on five elements, namely the history of the project,
>> the
>> > project aspects considered as peculiar, the adopted work practices and
>> > the way each team member perceives his/her role and the role played by
>> > other members.
>> >
>> > We have already mentioned our research to Alex. He is very
>> supportive of
>> > it and asked us to post this request in the public developer list to
>> > attract extensive participation. The whole interview will take about
>> > 20-30 minutes and can be conducted by phone, Skype or face-to-face (for
>> > the developers attending ApacheCon Europe in Amsterdam). The results
>> > will be presented we hope at a future ApacheCon and in other academic
>> > conferences. We will be very appreciative of your kindness if you are
>> > willing to provide some time to attend our interview : -) . We?d
>> like to
>> > share any interesting findings with your team after conducting the
>> > analysis.
>> >
>> > If you are interested in the research and willing to be interviewed,
>> > please contact us: Qing Li (qli03@syr.edu) and Yeliz Eseryel
>> > (yeliz2002@gmail.com). We are very happy to provide more information
>> for
>> > you.
>> >
>> > Cheers ! To great Directory!
>> > FLOSS Research Group (http://floss.syr.edu )
>> > April 23, 2007
>> > Syracuse University, USA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>