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Posted to dev@sentry.apache.org by Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com> on 2015/12/06 09:54:02 UTC
[DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Hi,
This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya started
[1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move from a model
where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
Background:
It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation and over
that time we have welcomed many new community members, as committers
and contributors. However, we have not added any new PPMC members over the
same time period. This is concerning because building a successful
community means growing committers as well as growing the PPMC.
At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community, and involve
everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As Arvind mentioned
[2], there have been few instances, outside of committership/board reports,
where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a Committer ==
PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community from when
the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we should go with
Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would mean all
existing committers would become PPMC members and there would be no
distinction between committer and PPMC member moving forward.
Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment above.
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCACMN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAHUddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
Thanks,
Lenni
Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Posted by Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com>.
Thanks everyone. It seems like this has generally positive support so I
will start a VOTE thread around making this official.
Thanks,
Lenni
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Sun, Dapeng <da...@intel.com> wrote:
> +1 for "Committer == PPMC".
> Many successful incubator projects treat "Committer == PPMC" during
> incubation period. Committers already have some experience on project.
> Promoting Committer to PPMC during incubation period will make more people
> join more deep discussions.
>
> Regards
> Dapeng
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hao Hao [mailto:hao.hao@cloudera.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 10:18 AM
> To: dev@sentry.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
>
> +1 for Committer == PPMC approach, since it does bring diversities from
> different perspectives.
>
> Best,
> Hao
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Ma, Junjie <ju...@intel.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree this will encourage involvement and ensure vitality, and vote
> > for Committer == PMC.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Colin Ma(Ma Jun Jie)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory Chanan [mailto:gchanan@cloudera.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 4:07 AM
> > To: dev@sentry.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
> >
> > I think at the current time the benefit of growing the community by
> > adding to the PMC outweighs the risk of adding PMC members who may only
> be "ready"
> > for committership. So I'd vote for Committer == PMC. If that
> > calculation changes in the future, we can revisit.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Sravya Tirukkovalur
> > <sr...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, I agree that Sentry has been mostly operating with decisions
> > > being made on dev list ( PPMC + Committer + contributors).
> > >
> > > I looked at various other projects, and was trying to look at why
> > > Committer = PPMC makes sense in some settings and not in some. Seems
> > > like Committer = PPMC makes sense during incubation as it would
> > > drive more folks thinking of building the community which is super
> > > important given the small time in incubation. Not saying non PPMC do
> > > not work on building the community but it just gives extra push by
> > > giving rights on electing committers. Given that, I would like to
> > > see Committer == PPMC in Sentry. One thing we might consider is: All
> > > committers who have contributed (code and non code) after entering
> graduation?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Anne Yu <an...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > After investigation, it seems for some existing projects we do see
> > > > Committer == PPMC, and it is up to project community's decision.
> > > > For example here states, "In many projects committers are also
> > > > invited to be part of the core group within the project that
> > > > ensures the project's vitality (represented by the Project
> > > > Management Committee, PMC). In a few projects a only a subset of
> > > > committers, who have earned even more merit, are invited to be a
> part of the PMC. "
> > > >
> > > > It appears sentry is contributing voluntarily by a smaller size of
> > > > active committers, to encourage involvement and ensure vitality,
> > > > we can start to consider this Committer == PPMC approach.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya
> > > started
> > > > > [1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move
> > > > > from a
> > > > model
> > > > > where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Background:
> > > > > It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation
> > > > > and
> > > over
> > > > > that time we have welcomed many new community members, as
> > > > > committers and contributors. However, we have not added any new
> > > > > PPMC members over
> > > > the
> > > > > same time period. This is concerning because building a
> > > > > successful community means growing committers as well as growing
> the PPMC.
> > > > > At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community,
> > > > > and
> > > > involve
> > > > > everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As
> > > > > Arvind
> > > > mentioned
> > > > > [2], there have been few instances, outside of
> > > > > committership/board
> > > > reports,
> > > > > where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a
> > > Committer
> > > > ==
> > > > > PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community
> > > > > from
> > > when
> > > > > the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we
> > > > > should go
> > > with
> > > > > Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would
> > > > > mean all existing committers would become PPMC members and there
> > > > > would be no distinction between committer and PPMC member moving
> forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment
> above.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CC
> > > AC
> > > MN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.co
> > > m%
> > > 3E
> > > > >
> > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CC
> > > AH
> > > UddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Lenni
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anne
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sravya Tirukkovalur
> > >
> >
>
RE: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Posted by "Sun, Dapeng" <da...@intel.com>.
+1 for "Committer == PPMC".
Many successful incubator projects treat "Committer == PPMC" during incubation period. Committers already have some experience on project. Promoting Committer to PPMC during incubation period will make more people join more deep discussions.
Regards
Dapeng
-----Original Message-----
From: Hao Hao [mailto:hao.hao@cloudera.com]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 10:18 AM
To: dev@sentry.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
+1 for Committer == PPMC approach, since it does bring diversities from
different perspectives.
Best,
Hao
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Ma, Junjie <ju...@intel.com> wrote:
> I agree this will encourage involvement and ensure vitality, and vote
> for Committer == PMC.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Colin Ma(Ma Jun Jie)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Chanan [mailto:gchanan@cloudera.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 4:07 AM
> To: dev@sentry.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
>
> I think at the current time the benefit of growing the community by
> adding to the PMC outweighs the risk of adding PMC members who may only be "ready"
> for committership. So I'd vote for Committer == PMC. If that
> calculation changes in the future, we can revisit.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Sravya Tirukkovalur
> <sr...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I agree that Sentry has been mostly operating with decisions
> > being made on dev list ( PPMC + Committer + contributors).
> >
> > I looked at various other projects, and was trying to look at why
> > Committer = PPMC makes sense in some settings and not in some. Seems
> > like Committer = PPMC makes sense during incubation as it would
> > drive more folks thinking of building the community which is super
> > important given the small time in incubation. Not saying non PPMC do
> > not work on building the community but it just gives extra push by
> > giving rights on electing committers. Given that, I would like to
> > see Committer == PPMC in Sentry. One thing we might consider is: All
> > committers who have contributed (code and non code) after entering graduation?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Anne Yu <an...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > After investigation, it seems for some existing projects we do see
> > > Committer == PPMC, and it is up to project community's decision.
> > > For example here states, "In many projects committers are also
> > > invited to be part of the core group within the project that
> > > ensures the project's vitality (represented by the Project
> > > Management Committee, PMC). In a few projects a only a subset of
> > > committers, who have earned even more merit, are invited to be a part of the PMC. "
> > >
> > > It appears sentry is contributing voluntarily by a smaller size of
> > > active committers, to encourage involvement and ensure vitality,
> > > we can start to consider this Committer == PPMC approach.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anne
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya
> > started
> > > > [1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move
> > > > from a
> > > model
> > > > where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
> > > >
> > > > Background:
> > > > It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation
> > > > and
> > over
> > > > that time we have welcomed many new community members, as
> > > > committers and contributors. However, we have not added any new
> > > > PPMC members over
> > > the
> > > > same time period. This is concerning because building a
> > > > successful community means growing committers as well as growing the PPMC.
> > > > At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community,
> > > > and
> > > involve
> > > > everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As
> > > > Arvind
> > > mentioned
> > > > [2], there have been few instances, outside of
> > > > committership/board
> > > reports,
> > > > where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
> > > >
> > > > Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a
> > Committer
> > > ==
> > > > PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community
> > > > from
> > when
> > > > the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
> > > >
> > > > I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we
> > > > should go
> > with
> > > > Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would
> > > > mean all existing committers would become PPMC members and there
> > > > would be no distinction between committer and PPMC member moving forward.
> > > >
> > > > Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment above.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CC
> > AC
> > MN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.co
> > m%
> > 3E
> > > >
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CC
> > AH
> > UddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Lenni
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anne
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sravya Tirukkovalur
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Posted by Hao Hao <ha...@cloudera.com>.
+1 for Committer == PPMC approach, since it does bring diversities from
different perspectives.
Best,
Hao
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Ma, Junjie <ju...@intel.com> wrote:
> I agree this will encourage involvement and ensure vitality, and vote for
> Committer == PMC.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Colin Ma(Ma Jun Jie)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Chanan [mailto:gchanan@cloudera.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 4:07 AM
> To: dev@sentry.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
>
> I think at the current time the benefit of growing the community by adding
> to the PMC outweighs the risk of adding PMC members who may only be "ready"
> for committership. So I'd vote for Committer == PMC. If that calculation
> changes in the future, we can revisit.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Sravya Tirukkovalur <sr...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I agree that Sentry has been mostly operating with decisions
> > being made on dev list ( PPMC + Committer + contributors).
> >
> > I looked at various other projects, and was trying to look at why
> > Committer = PPMC makes sense in some settings and not in some. Seems
> > like Committer = PPMC makes sense during incubation as it would drive
> > more folks thinking of building the community which is super important
> > given the small time in incubation. Not saying non PPMC do not work on
> > building the community but it just gives extra push by giving rights
> > on electing committers. Given that, I would like to see Committer ==
> > PPMC in Sentry. One thing we might consider is: All committers who
> > have contributed (code and non code) after entering graduation?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Anne Yu <an...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > After investigation, it seems for some existing projects we do see
> > > Committer == PPMC, and it is up to project community's decision. For
> > > example here states, "In many projects committers are also invited
> > > to be part of the core group within the project that ensures the
> > > project's vitality (represented by the Project Management Committee,
> > > PMC). In a few projects a only a subset of committers, who have
> > > earned even more merit, are invited to be a part of the PMC. "
> > >
> > > It appears sentry is contributing voluntarily by a smaller size of
> > > active committers, to encourage involvement and ensure vitality, we
> > > can start to consider this Committer == PPMC approach.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anne
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya
> > started
> > > > [1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move
> > > > from a
> > > model
> > > > where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
> > > >
> > > > Background:
> > > > It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation
> > > > and
> > over
> > > > that time we have welcomed many new community members, as
> > > > committers and contributors. However, we have not added any new
> > > > PPMC members over
> > > the
> > > > same time period. This is concerning because building a successful
> > > > community means growing committers as well as growing the PPMC.
> > > > At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community, and
> > > involve
> > > > everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As Arvind
> > > mentioned
> > > > [2], there have been few instances, outside of committership/board
> > > reports,
> > > > where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
> > > >
> > > > Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a
> > Committer
> > > ==
> > > > PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community
> > > > from
> > when
> > > > the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
> > > >
> > > > I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we should
> > > > go
> > with
> > > > Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would mean
> > > > all existing committers would become PPMC members and there would
> > > > be no distinction between committer and PPMC member moving forward.
> > > >
> > > > Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment above.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAC
> > MN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.com%
> > 3E
> > > >
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAH
> > UddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Lenni
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anne
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sravya Tirukkovalur
> >
>
RE: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Posted by "Ma, Junjie" <ju...@intel.com>.
I agree this will encourage involvement and ensure vitality, and vote for Committer == PMC.
Best regards,
Colin Ma(Ma Jun Jie)
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Chanan [mailto:gchanan@cloudera.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 4:07 AM
To: dev@sentry.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
I think at the current time the benefit of growing the community by adding to the PMC outweighs the risk of adding PMC members who may only be "ready"
for committership. So I'd vote for Committer == PMC. If that calculation changes in the future, we can revisit.
Greg
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Sravya Tirukkovalur <sr...@cloudera.com>
wrote:
> Yes, I agree that Sentry has been mostly operating with decisions
> being made on dev list ( PPMC + Committer + contributors).
>
> I looked at various other projects, and was trying to look at why
> Committer = PPMC makes sense in some settings and not in some. Seems
> like Committer = PPMC makes sense during incubation as it would drive
> more folks thinking of building the community which is super important
> given the small time in incubation. Not saying non PPMC do not work on
> building the community but it just gives extra push by giving rights
> on electing committers. Given that, I would like to see Committer ==
> PPMC in Sentry. One thing we might consider is: All committers who
> have contributed (code and non code) after entering graduation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Anne Yu <an...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > After investigation, it seems for some existing projects we do see
> > Committer == PPMC, and it is up to project community's decision. For
> > example here states, "In many projects committers are also invited
> > to be part of the core group within the project that ensures the
> > project's vitality (represented by the Project Management Committee,
> > PMC). In a few projects a only a subset of committers, who have
> > earned even more merit, are invited to be a part of the PMC. "
> >
> > It appears sentry is contributing voluntarily by a smaller size of
> > active committers, to encourage involvement and ensure vitality, we
> > can start to consider this Committer == PPMC approach.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anne
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya
> started
> > > [1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move
> > > from a
> > model
> > > where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
> > >
> > > Background:
> > > It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation
> > > and
> over
> > > that time we have welcomed many new community members, as
> > > committers and contributors. However, we have not added any new
> > > PPMC members over
> > the
> > > same time period. This is concerning because building a successful
> > > community means growing committers as well as growing the PPMC.
> > > At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community, and
> > involve
> > > everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As Arvind
> > mentioned
> > > [2], there have been few instances, outside of committership/board
> > reports,
> > > where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
> > >
> > > Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a
> Committer
> > ==
> > > PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community
> > > from
> when
> > > the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
> > >
> > > I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we should
> > > go
> with
> > > Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would mean
> > > all existing committers would become PPMC members and there would
> > > be no distinction between committer and PPMC member moving forward.
> > >
> > > Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment above.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAC
> MN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.com%
> 3E
> > >
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAH
> UddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lenni
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Anne
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sravya Tirukkovalur
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Posted by Gregory Chanan <gc...@cloudera.com>.
I think at the current time the benefit of growing the community by adding
to the PMC outweighs the risk of adding PMC members who may only be "ready"
for committership. So I'd vote for Committer == PMC. If that calculation
changes in the future, we can revisit.
Greg
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Sravya Tirukkovalur <sr...@cloudera.com>
wrote:
> Yes, I agree that Sentry has been mostly operating with decisions being
> made on dev list ( PPMC + Committer + contributors).
>
> I looked at various other projects, and was trying to look at why Committer
> = PPMC makes sense in some settings and not in some. Seems like Committer =
> PPMC makes sense during incubation as it would drive more folks thinking of
> building the community which is super important given the small time in
> incubation. Not saying non PPMC do not work on building the community but
> it just gives extra push by giving rights on electing committers. Given
> that, I would like to see Committer == PPMC in Sentry. One thing we might
> consider is: All committers who have contributed (code and non code) after
> entering graduation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Anne Yu <an...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > After investigation, it seems for some existing projects we do see
> > Committer == PPMC, and it is up to project community's decision. For
> > example here states, "In many projects committers are also invited to be
> > part of the core group within the project that ensures the project's
> > vitality (represented by the Project Management Committee, PMC). In a few
> > projects a only a subset of committers, who have earned even more merit,
> > are invited to be a part of the PMC. "
> >
> > It appears sentry is contributing voluntarily by a smaller size of active
> > committers, to encourage involvement and ensure vitality, we can start to
> > consider this Committer == PPMC approach.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anne
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya
> started
> > > [1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move from a
> > model
> > > where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
> > >
> > > Background:
> > > It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation and
> over
> > > that time we have welcomed many new community members, as committers
> > > and contributors. However, we have not added any new PPMC members over
> > the
> > > same time period. This is concerning because building a successful
> > > community means growing committers as well as growing the PPMC.
> > > At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community, and
> > involve
> > > everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As Arvind
> > mentioned
> > > [2], there have been few instances, outside of committership/board
> > reports,
> > > where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
> > >
> > > Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a
> Committer
> > ==
> > > PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community from
> when
> > > the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
> > >
> > > I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we should go
> with
> > > Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would mean all
> > > existing committers would become PPMC members and there would be no
> > > distinction between committer and PPMC member moving forward.
> > >
> > > Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment above.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCACMN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAHUddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lenni
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Anne
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sravya Tirukkovalur
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Posted by Sravya Tirukkovalur <sr...@cloudera.com>.
Yes, I agree that Sentry has been mostly operating with decisions being
made on dev list ( PPMC + Committer + contributors).
I looked at various other projects, and was trying to look at why Committer
= PPMC makes sense in some settings and not in some. Seems like Committer =
PPMC makes sense during incubation as it would drive more folks thinking of
building the community which is super important given the small time in
incubation. Not saying non PPMC do not work on building the community but
it just gives extra push by giving rights on electing committers. Given
that, I would like to see Committer == PPMC in Sentry. One thing we might
consider is: All committers who have contributed (code and non code) after
entering graduation?
Thanks!
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Anne Yu <an...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> After investigation, it seems for some existing projects we do see
> Committer == PPMC, and it is up to project community's decision. For
> example here states, "In many projects committers are also invited to be
> part of the core group within the project that ensures the project's
> vitality (represented by the Project Management Committee, PMC). In a few
> projects a only a subset of committers, who have earned even more merit,
> are invited to be a part of the PMC. "
>
> It appears sentry is contributing voluntarily by a smaller size of active
> committers, to encourage involvement and ensure vitality, we can start to
> consider this Committer == PPMC approach.
>
> Thanks,
> Anne
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya started
> > [1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move from a
> model
> > where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
> >
> > Background:
> > It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation and over
> > that time we have welcomed many new community members, as committers
> > and contributors. However, we have not added any new PPMC members over
> the
> > same time period. This is concerning because building a successful
> > community means growing committers as well as growing the PPMC.
> > At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community, and
> involve
> > everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As Arvind
> mentioned
> > [2], there have been few instances, outside of committership/board
> reports,
> > where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
> >
> > Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a Committer
> ==
> > PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community from when
> > the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
> >
> > I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we should go with
> > Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would mean all
> > existing committers would become PPMC members and there would be no
> > distinction between committer and PPMC member moving forward.
> >
> > Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment above.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCACMN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > [2]
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAHUddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lenni
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Anne
>
--
Sravya Tirukkovalur
Re: [DISCUSS] Committer == PPMC for Sentry?
Posted by Anne Yu <an...@cloudera.com>.
After investigation, it seems for some existing projects we do see
Committer == PPMC, and it is up to project community's decision. For
example here states, "In many projects committers are also invited to be
part of the core group within the project that ensures the project's
vitality (represented by the Project Management Committee, PMC). In a few
projects a only a subset of committers, who have earned even more merit,
are invited to be a part of the PMC. "
It appears sentry is contributing voluntarily by a smaller size of active
committers, to encourage involvement and ensure vitality, we can start to
consider this Committer == PPMC approach.
Thanks,
Anne
On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Lenni Kuff <ls...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> This is breaking off a separate discussion for the thread Sravya started
> [1]. Specifically, the part around whether Sentry should move from a model
> where Committer != PPMC to a model where Committer == PPMC.
>
> Background:
> It's been two years since the Sentry project entered incubation and over
> that time we have welcomed many new community members, as committers
> and contributors. However, we have not added any new PPMC members over the
> same time period. This is concerning because building a successful
> community means growing committers as well as growing the PPMC.
> At the same time, we have strived to be a very open community, and involve
> everyone (not just PPMC members) in project decisions. As Arvind mentioned
> [2], there have been few instances, outside of committership/board reports,
> where the PPMC made decisions outside of the dev list.
>
> Given that we have a) in some ways implicitly been acting in a Committer ==
> PPMC model already and b) have many new folks in the community from when
> the project started, I think we should revisit this topic.
>
> I want to hear everyone's thoughts on whether you think we should go with
> Committer == PPMC model for Sentry? Logistically, this would mean all
> existing committers would become PPMC members and there would be no
> distinction between committer and PPMC member moving forward.
>
> Feel free to also chime in if you disagree with my assessment above.
>
> [1]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCACMN7iwY1FXCN6iGTJAN28MC4v%3DFUpKAzvdqVRNq9%3DK7YcomtQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> [2]
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAHUddLMOeq7q4XFpy6VcCcmetUjt5iazf1fNmXv15EXJrypTWg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> Thanks,
> Lenni
>
--
Thanks,
Anne