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Posted to user@velocity.apache.org by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> on 2005/06/05 10:45:46 UTC
Announcement: Click 0.5
Click v 0.5 Web Application Framework is now available.
Click Highlights:
* Very easy to learn
* Component and Page Oriented design
* Event base programming model
* Automatic form validation
* Page templating
* Velocity page rendering
* Superb error reporting
* High performance
What to know why anyone would want to build another web application
framework please see
Why Click? at http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/why-click.html
For the Click Road Map and Changes see:
http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/roadmap-changes.html
regards Malcolm Edgar
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Re: Announcement: Click 0.5
Posted by Andrew Mason <an...@assertis.net>.
I'm glad you brought that up, as I had similar reservations when i looked at
the page. Other than that it looks really quite good.
On Sun June 5 2005 10:13 pm, jian chen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for sharing this new framework. I briefly looked at your site,
> and I have one reservation.
>
> Web based application is different from desktop based application in
> which you have to maintain state information. Therefroe, taken a pure
> desktop based approach to web based app. might not work.
>
> Example, the Click framework mentioned:
> "Click also includes a library Controls which provide user interface
> functionality."
>
> I think it is a problem for taking html construction out of the hands
> of GUI designer. The controls are completely inside java program,
> thus, seems like blending the View and Model again together, which I
> think is against MVC design pattern.
>
> Also, It will be a pain you have to keep your controls up to date, as
> HTML standards change. If the html are maintained by the GUI designer,
> you, as the programmer, does not need to do anything.
>
> Lastly, it might be hard to internationalize the pages. I see you have
> "OK" button as an example, have you thought about how to
> internationalize the "OK" string?
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Jian
>
> On 6/5/05, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Click v 0.5 Web Application Framework is now available.
> >
> > Click Highlights:
> > * Very easy to learn
> > * Component and Page Oriented design
> > * Event base programming model
> > * Automatic form validation
> > * Page templating
> > * Velocity page rendering
> > * Superb error reporting
> > * High performance
> >
> > What to know why anyone would want to build another web application
> > framework please see
> > Why Click? at http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/why-click.html
> >
> > For the Click Road Map and Changes see:
> > http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/roadmap-changes.html
> >
> > regards Malcolm Edgar
> >
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Re: Announcement: Click 0.5
Posted by jian chen <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for sharing this new framework. I briefly looked at your site,
and I have one reservation.
Web based application is different from desktop based application in
which you have to maintain state information. Therefroe, taken a pure
desktop based approach to web based app. might not work.
Example, the Click framework mentioned:
"Click also includes a library Controls which provide user interface
functionality."
I think it is a problem for taking html construction out of the hands
of GUI designer. The controls are completely inside java program,
thus, seems like blending the View and Model again together, which I
think is against MVC design pattern.
Also, It will be a pain you have to keep your controls up to date, as
HTML standards change. If the html are maintained by the GUI designer,
you, as the programmer, does not need to do anything.
Lastly, it might be hard to internationalize the pages. I see you have
"OK" button as an example, have you thought about how to
internationalize the "OK" string?
Just my 2 cents.
Jian
On 6/5/05, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Click v 0.5 Web Application Framework is now available.
>
> Click Highlights:
> * Very easy to learn
> * Component and Page Oriented design
> * Event base programming model
> * Automatic form validation
> * Page templating
> * Velocity page rendering
> * Superb error reporting
> * High performance
>
> What to know why anyone would want to build another web application
> framework please see
> Why Click? at http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/why-click.html
>
> For the Click Road Map and Changes see:
> http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/roadmap-changes.html
>
> regards Malcolm Edgar
>
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Re: Announcement: Click 0.5
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for the feedback.
The Click framework uses a custom Velocity 1.5 build to provided
enhanced error reporting.
Its actually better than the line-precise error reporting you get in
Tapesty, as Click will render the source code with the error. For
example:
http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/error-npe.html
http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/error-parsing.html
regards Malcolm Edgar
On 6/6/05, Jonathan Revusky <re...@wanadoo.es> wrote:
> Malcolm Edgar wrote:
> > Click v 0.5 Web Application Framework is now available.
>
> Congratulations. You might look at supporting FreeMarker
> http://freemarker.org as a templating option as well. It has all the
> advantages of Velocity for simple readable template pages, but contains
> many more features that developers need -- transparent i18n, more
> powerful macros, and so on.
>
> >
> > Click Highlights:
> > * Very easy to learn
> > * Component and Page Oriented design
> > * Event base programming model
> > * Automatic form validation
> > * Page templating
> > * Velocity page rendering
> > * Superb error reporting
>
>
> If this is improtant to you, FreeMarker is far better than Velocity on
> this point. It implements line-precise error reporting. This was one of
> the 2 main reasons that Webwork is switching to from Velocity FreeMarker
> as its default UI engine in its 2.2 cycle. The other reason was that FM
> supports the use of 3rd party JSP taglibs.
>
> See: http://wiki.opensymphony.com/display/WW/WebWork+2.2
>
> under user interface improvements
>
> One of the Webwork developers stated that he thought that 90% of time
> wasted in the webwork development cycle was due to poor error reporting
> from Velocity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonathan Revusky
>
>
> > * High performance
> >
> > What to know why anyone would want to build another web application
> > framework please see
> > Why Click? at http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/why-click.html
> >
> > For the Click Road Map and Changes see:
> > http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/roadmap-changes.html
> >
> > regards Malcolm Edgar
>
>
>
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