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Posted to dev@tomcat.apache.org by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> on 2002/05/29 17:42:02 UTC

Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786

While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the 
points it makes are good and the numbers are interesting if unbacked (by 
WTF was it the application you benchmarked)

I think constructive criticism is good.

-Andy


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Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

Posted by David M Johnson <da...@haht.com>.
Yeah, that is especially fun when you have to telnet into
20 background servers and make the same changes to all 20
config files.  It is also fun hitting the docs everytime you need to
determine the legal values for a given config variable.

That said, I agree with you both: a GUI admin tool should
not preclude editing config files.

- Dave



Jun Inamori wrote:

>>I agree with Andy.  I have servers with no console
>>attached.  I simply ssh or telent in and do the
>>configuration.  If anyone ever writes a GUI admin for
>>tomcat, I hope it does not conflict with the ability to
>>use plain text and edit the conf files.
>>    
>>
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Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

Posted by Jun Inamori <ju...@oop-reserch.com>.
> I agree with Andy.  I have servers with no console
> attached.  I simply ssh or telent in and do the
> configuration.  If anyone ever writes a GUI admin for
> tomcat, I hope it does not conflict with the ability to
> use plain text and edit the conf files.

+1000....

Happy Java programming!
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OOP-Reserch
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Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

Posted by Dennis Muhlestein <de...@zserve.com>.
I agree with Andy.  I have servers with no console attached.  I simply
ssh or telent in and do the configuration.  If anyone ever writes a GUI
admin for tomcat, I hope it does not conflict with the ability to use
plain text and edit the conf files.

-Dennis


On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 10:29, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> David M Johnson wrote:
> 
> > This discussion started as a back-and-forth between Mike Cannon-Brooks
> > and myself - on our weblogs.  This culminated in two write-ups:
> >
> > Mike's Is Tomcat Crap
> > http://radio.weblogs.com/0107789/stories/2002/05/28/isTomcatCrap.html
> >
> > And my Tomcat is not Crap
> > http://radio.weblogs.com/0106533/stories/2002/05/28/tomcatIsNotCrap.html
> 
> 
> I disagree with point #3.  I think one of the great things about tomcat 
> is I don't have to configure it via a GUI. There is something to be said 
> about the power of text.
> 
> -Andy
> 
> PS.  I love Tomcat.
> 
> >
> > - Dave
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> > Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
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> >> http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786
> >>
> >> While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the 
> >> points it makes are good and the numbers are interesting if unbacked 
> >> (by WTF was it the application you benchmarked)
> >>
> >> I think constructive criticism is good.
> >>
> >> -Andy
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Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
David M Johnson wrote:

> This discussion started as a back-and-forth between Mike Cannon-Brooks
> and myself - on our weblogs.  This culminated in two write-ups:
>
> Mike's Is Tomcat Crap
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0107789/stories/2002/05/28/isTomcatCrap.html
>
> And my Tomcat is not Crap
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0106533/stories/2002/05/28/tomcatIsNotCrap.html


I disagree with point #3.  I think one of the great things about tomcat 
is I don't have to configure it via a GUI. There is something to be said 
about the power of text.

-Andy

PS.  I love Tomcat.

>
> - Dave
>
>
>
>
> Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
>> http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786
>>
>> While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the 
>> points it makes are good and the numbers are interesting if unbacked 
>> (by WTF was it the application you benchmarked)
>>
>> I think constructive criticism is good.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
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Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
David M Johnson wrote:

> This discussion started as a back-and-forth between Mike Cannon-Brooks
> and myself - on our weblogs.  This culminated in two write-ups:
>
> Mike's Is Tomcat Crap
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0107789/stories/2002/05/28/isTomcatCrap.html
>
> And my Tomcat is not Crap
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0106533/stories/2002/05/28/tomcatIsNotCrap.html


I disagree with point #3.  I think one of the great things about tomcat 
is I don't have to configure it via a GUI. There is something to be said 
about the power of text.

-Andy

PS.  I love Tomcat.

>
> - Dave
>
>
>
>
> Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
>> http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786
>>
>> While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the 
>> points it makes are good and the numbers are interesting if unbacked 
>> (by WTF was it the application you benchmarked)
>>
>> I think constructive criticism is good.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
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Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

Posted by David M Johnson <da...@haht.com>.
This discussion started as a back-and-forth between Mike Cannon-Brooks
and myself - on our weblogs.  This culminated in two write-ups:

Mike's Is Tomcat Crap
http://radio.weblogs.com/0107789/stories/2002/05/28/isTomcatCrap.html

And my Tomcat is not Crap
http://radio.weblogs.com/0106533/stories/2002/05/28/tomcatIsNotCrap.html

- Dave




Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786
>
> While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the 
> points it makes are good and the numbers are interesting if unbacked 
> (by WTF was it the application you benchmarked)
>
> I think constructive criticism is good.
>
> -Andy
>
>
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Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can't subscribe in order to do it so...

Posted by David M Johnson <da...@haht.com>.
This discussion started as a back-and-forth between Mike Cannon-Brooks
and myself - on our weblogs.  This culminated in two write-ups:

Mike's Is Tomcat Crap
http://radio.weblogs.com/0107789/stories/2002/05/28/isTomcatCrap.html

And my Tomcat is not Crap
http://radio.weblogs.com/0106533/stories/2002/05/28/tomcatIsNotCrap.html

- Dave




Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786
>
> While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the 
> points it makes are good and the numbers are interesting if unbacked 
> (by WTF was it the application you benchmarked)
>
> I think constructive criticism is good.
>
> -Andy
>
>
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