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Users mailing list
Perhaps it's time for a users mailing list. No dev is expected to answer
questions on it.
Example: https://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html
Right now we push people off to either:
1. Stack Overflow
2. PhoneGap Google Groups
3. Adobe PhoneGap Forums
Thoughts?
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>.
+1 to Raymond, if the idea is asking and answering questions, I think there
are enough options right now and for announcements we have the blog
2016-04-29 15:44 GMT+02:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
> If the idea is a list for users to help each other (taking that from
> the httpd list), then why isn't the PG Google Group appropriate for
> that already?
>
> If the idea is for important announcements (Robert's comment), then we
> have a mechanism for that now - the blog.
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:42 AM, Robert Posener <rp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Do some persona modelling... devs are different users.
> > Slack is full of drivel for the normal user.
> > You could use the users mailing list to quickly notify ALL users of
> > critical bugs that have been identified.
> > Rob
> >
> > Regards
> > *Rob Posener*
> > 0419 012 627
> >
> > On 29 April 2016 at 10:50, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Or slack, but slack is only searchable back the last 10k messages.
> >>
> >>
> >> @purplecabbage
> >> risingj.com
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Perhaps it's time for a users mailing list. No dev is expected to
> answer
> >> > questions on it.
> >> >
> >> > Example: https://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html
> >> >
> >> > Right now we push people off to either:
> >> > 1. Stack Overflow
> >> > 2. PhoneGap Google Groups
> >> > 3. Adobe PhoneGap Forums
> >> >
> >> > Thoughts?
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for StrongLoop at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
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Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
If the idea is a list for users to help each other (taking that from
the httpd list), then why isn't the PG Google Group appropriate for
that already?
If the idea is for important announcements (Robert's comment), then we
have a mechanism for that now - the blog.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:42 AM, Robert Posener <rp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do some persona modelling... devs are different users.
> Slack is full of drivel for the normal user.
> You could use the users mailing list to quickly notify ALL users of
> critical bugs that have been identified.
> Rob
>
> Regards
> *Rob Posener*
> 0419 012 627
>
> On 29 April 2016 at 10:50, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Or slack, but slack is only searchable back the last 10k messages.
>>
>>
>> @purplecabbage
>> risingj.com
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Perhaps it's time for a users mailing list. No dev is expected to answer
>> > questions on it.
>> >
>> > Example: https://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html
>> >
>> > Right now we push people off to either:
>> > 1. Stack Overflow
>> > 2. PhoneGap Google Groups
>> > 3. Adobe PhoneGap Forums
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>>
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Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Robert Posener <rp...@gmail.com>.
Do some persona modelling... devs are different users.
Slack is full of drivel for the normal user.
You could use the users mailing list to quickly notify ALL users of
critical bugs that have been identified.
Rob
Regards
*Rob Posener*
0419 012 627
On 29 April 2016 at 10:50, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or slack, but slack is only searchable back the last 10k messages.
>
>
> @purplecabbage
> risingj.com
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps it's time for a users mailing list. No dev is expected to answer
> > questions on it.
> >
> > Example: https://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html
> >
> > Right now we push people off to either:
> > 1. Stack Overflow
> > 2. PhoneGap Google Groups
> > 3. Adobe PhoneGap Forums
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
>
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>.
Or slack, but slack is only searchable back the last 10k messages.
@purplecabbage
risingj.com
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps it's time for a users mailing list. No dev is expected to answer
> questions on it.
>
> Example: https://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html
>
> Right now we push people off to either:
> 1. Stack Overflow
> 2. PhoneGap Google Groups
> 3. Adobe PhoneGap Forums
>
> Thoughts?
>
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Robert Posener <rp...@gmail.com>.
The reason I brought up notifications about critical errors is that that is
NOT happening now. There have been a number of instances recently, where
there has been discussion about regression errors that have not been
announced to the wider community (eg, via the blog) and cordova users have
been in the dark about for as long as 2 weeks before a patch release has
been issued.
By all means, use the blog for this, but DO IT... don't just say it could
be used for this.
Rob
Regards
*Rob Posener*
0419 012 627
On 30 April 2016 at 04:41, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> > nikhilkh@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I’m hearing two purposes of a user list:
> >> - Key announcements
> >> - Self-help for users
> >>
> >> I’m not totally convinced that slack + stack overflow are not sufficient
> >> for finding resources & common answers for cordova issues. Creating
> another
> >> channel will just fragment the community.
> >>
> >>
> > I would love to suggest Stack Overflow only because social voting tends
> to
> > elect the most correct answer. I personally hate mailing lists for
> trying
> > to figure out how to use something because the answer gets buried way too
> > deep. I think that the main reason I would like to see a user list is
> > because
> >
>
> because we get flooded with users on the dev list. I should have finished
> this thought before skipping to the next one.
>
>
> >
> >
> >> FWIW, our blog got about 50K pageviews for all blog entries (and blog
> >> listing) in the last month or so. That’s very low compared to over a
> >> million hits on our docs. I agree that we need to find better ways to
> reach
> >> out to users with key announcements. Perhaps the blog needs to be
> improved
> >> – write more engaging content, find opportunities for guest posts (cross
> >> posting – Raymond?), have an option to subscribe for notifications to
> it.
> >> We’ve added disqus to our blogs already – but we need to probably route
> the
> >> disqus comments to the “dev” list or slack to ensure enough people get
> to
> >> see it and we respond to those comments.
> >>
> >>
> > Do we know which part of our docs are getting the most hits? I honestly
> > don't think that generic announcements are the best way to reach out to
> > users, but that would mean that we change how we use the blog, and that
> we
> > decide on what content we should post to it. Right now, I'm pretty happy
> > with it just being announcements.
> >
> > On a related note, we might want to consider a user list for plugin
> >> developers. In particular, we need to have conversations and discussions
> >> about breaking changes, design discussions etc. with this highly
> important,
> >> smaller target audience. There is no targeted forum for these developers
> >> currently.
> >>
> >
> > That should be happening on this list, but this list gets flooded with
> > people looking for answers for their Cordova problems instead, which may
> be
> > why we need a users list, since we're already kinda fractured. :/
> >
> > -Nikhil
> >>
> >> On 4/29/16, 9:31 AM, "kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of Kerri Shotts"
> <
> >> kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of kerri@photokandy.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thought I'd throw in my 2¢ worth:
> >> >
> >> >- If a user list is created, I'll gladly participate.
> >> >
> >> >- Having a Cordova-branded user list could be useful from a "branding"
> >> >perspective. The Adobe Forums are "PhoneGap" branded, and the Google
> >> Group
> >> >is named "phonegap" (although the welcome text makes clear that it is
> for
> >> >both environments). Personally, I don't have a problem with the
> >> difference
> >> >in branding, but for newcomers, I'm sure it raises a few questions
> ("why
> >> am
> >> >I going to a phonegap group for a cordova question?").
> >> >
> >> >- As for the blog, as much as I like that the announcements show up
> >> there,
> >> >not everyone is into feed readers (for whatever reason. I'm not one of
> of
> >> >them -- I'm a feedly addict). For those who prefer email
> subscriptions, a
> >> >user list for announcements would be handy.
> >> >
> >> >- Google Group is still going, but activity is falling off as people
> >> >discover the Adobe Forums. The group may need to become r/o at some
> point
> >> >in the future, especially if use declines to next-to-nothing.
> >> >
> >> >- Getting people to read is always the catch -- they just don't.
> >> Sometimes
> >> >I'm guilty of the same. Human nature, I suspect!
> >> >
> >> >~ Kerri
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:26 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
> >> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> nikhilkh@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m hearing two purposes of a user list:
>> - Key announcements
>> - Self-help for users
>>
>> I’m not totally convinced that slack + stack overflow are not sufficient
>> for finding resources & common answers for cordova issues. Creating another
>> channel will just fragment the community.
>>
>>
> I would love to suggest Stack Overflow only because social voting tends to
> elect the most correct answer. I personally hate mailing lists for trying
> to figure out how to use something because the answer gets buried way too
> deep. I think that the main reason I would like to see a user list is
> because
>
because we get flooded with users on the dev list. I should have finished
this thought before skipping to the next one.
>
>
>> FWIW, our blog got about 50K pageviews for all blog entries (and blog
>> listing) in the last month or so. That’s very low compared to over a
>> million hits on our docs. I agree that we need to find better ways to reach
>> out to users with key announcements. Perhaps the blog needs to be improved
>> – write more engaging content, find opportunities for guest posts (cross
>> posting – Raymond?), have an option to subscribe for notifications to it.
>> We’ve added disqus to our blogs already – but we need to probably route the
>> disqus comments to the “dev” list or slack to ensure enough people get to
>> see it and we respond to those comments.
>>
>>
> Do we know which part of our docs are getting the most hits? I honestly
> don't think that generic announcements are the best way to reach out to
> users, but that would mean that we change how we use the blog, and that we
> decide on what content we should post to it. Right now, I'm pretty happy
> with it just being announcements.
>
> On a related note, we might want to consider a user list for plugin
>> developers. In particular, we need to have conversations and discussions
>> about breaking changes, design discussions etc. with this highly important,
>> smaller target audience. There is no targeted forum for these developers
>> currently.
>>
>
> That should be happening on this list, but this list gets flooded with
> people looking for answers for their Cordova problems instead, which may be
> why we need a users list, since we're already kinda fractured. :/
>
> -Nikhil
>>
>> On 4/29/16, 9:31 AM, "kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of Kerri Shotts" <
>> kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of kerri@photokandy.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thought I'd throw in my 2¢ worth:
>> >
>> >- If a user list is created, I'll gladly participate.
>> >
>> >- Having a Cordova-branded user list could be useful from a "branding"
>> >perspective. The Adobe Forums are "PhoneGap" branded, and the Google
>> Group
>> >is named "phonegap" (although the welcome text makes clear that it is for
>> >both environments). Personally, I don't have a problem with the
>> difference
>> >in branding, but for newcomers, I'm sure it raises a few questions ("why
>> am
>> >I going to a phonegap group for a cordova question?").
>> >
>> >- As for the blog, as much as I like that the announcements show up
>> there,
>> >not everyone is into feed readers (for whatever reason. I'm not one of of
>> >them -- I'm a feedly addict). For those who prefer email subscriptions, a
>> >user list for announcements would be handy.
>> >
>> >- Google Group is still going, but activity is falling off as people
>> >discover the Adobe Forums. The group may need to become r/o at some point
>> >in the future, especially if use declines to next-to-nothing.
>> >
>> >- Getting people to read is always the catch -- they just don't.
>> Sometimes
>> >I'm guilty of the same. Human nature, I suspect!
>> >
>> >~ Kerri
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:26 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
>> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> ...
>> >>
>>
>>
>
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>
wrote:
> I’m hearing two purposes of a user list:
> - Key announcements
> - Self-help for users
>
> I’m not totally convinced that slack + stack overflow are not sufficient
> for finding resources & common answers for cordova issues. Creating another
> channel will just fragment the community.
>
>
I would love to suggest Stack Overflow only because social voting tends to
elect the most correct answer. I personally hate mailing lists for trying
to figure out how to use something because the answer gets buried way too
deep. I think that the main reason I would like to see a user list is
because
> FWIW, our blog got about 50K pageviews for all blog entries (and blog
> listing) in the last month or so. That’s very low compared to over a
> million hits on our docs. I agree that we need to find better ways to reach
> out to users with key announcements. Perhaps the blog needs to be improved
> – write more engaging content, find opportunities for guest posts (cross
> posting – Raymond?), have an option to subscribe for notifications to it.
> We’ve added disqus to our blogs already – but we need to probably route the
> disqus comments to the “dev” list or slack to ensure enough people get to
> see it and we respond to those comments.
>
>
Do we know which part of our docs are getting the most hits? I honestly
don't think that generic announcements are the best way to reach out to
users, but that would mean that we change how we use the blog, and that we
decide on what content we should post to it. Right now, I'm pretty happy
with it just being announcements.
On a related note, we might want to consider a user list for plugin
> developers. In particular, we need to have conversations and discussions
> about breaking changes, design discussions etc. with this highly important,
> smaller target audience. There is no targeted forum for these developers
> currently.
>
That should be happening on this list, but this list gets flooded with
people looking for answers for their Cordova problems instead, which may be
why we need a users list, since we're already kinda fractured. :/
-Nikhil
>
> On 4/29/16, 9:31 AM, "kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of Kerri Shotts" <
> kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of kerri@photokandy.com> wrote:
>
> >Thought I'd throw in my 2¢ worth:
> >
> >- If a user list is created, I'll gladly participate.
> >
> >- Having a Cordova-branded user list could be useful from a "branding"
> >perspective. The Adobe Forums are "PhoneGap" branded, and the Google Group
> >is named "phonegap" (although the welcome text makes clear that it is for
> >both environments). Personally, I don't have a problem with the difference
> >in branding, but for newcomers, I'm sure it raises a few questions ("why
> am
> >I going to a phonegap group for a cordova question?").
> >
> >- As for the blog, as much as I like that the announcements show up there,
> >not everyone is into feed readers (for whatever reason. I'm not one of of
> >them -- I'm a feedly addict). For those who prefer email subscriptions, a
> >user list for announcements would be handy.
> >
> >- Google Group is still going, but activity is falling off as people
> >discover the Adobe Forums. The group may need to become r/o at some point
> >in the future, especially if use declines to next-to-nothing.
> >
> >- Getting people to read is always the catch -- they just don't. Sometimes
> >I'm guilty of the same. Human nature, I suspect!
> >
> >~ Kerri
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:26 AM, julio cesar sanchez <
> jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> ...
> >>
>
>
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>.
I’m hearing two purposes of a user list:
- Key announcements
- Self-help for users
I’m not totally convinced that slack + stack overflow are not sufficient for finding resources & common answers for cordova issues. Creating another channel will just fragment the community.
FWIW, our blog got about 50K pageviews for all blog entries (and blog listing) in the last month or so. That’s very low compared to over a million hits on our docs. I agree that we need to find better ways to reach out to users with key announcements. Perhaps the blog needs to be improved – write more engaging content, find opportunities for guest posts (cross posting – Raymond?), have an option to subscribe for notifications to it. We’ve added disqus to our blogs already – but we need to probably route the disqus comments to the “dev” list or slack to ensure enough people get to see it and we respond to those comments.
On a related note, we might want to consider a user list for plugin developers. In particular, we need to have conversations and discussions about breaking changes, design discussions etc. with this highly important, smaller target audience. There is no targeted forum for these developers currently.
-Nikhil
On 4/29/16, 9:31 AM, "kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of Kerri Shotts" <kerrishotts@gmail.com on behalf of kerri@photokandy.com> wrote:
>Thought I'd throw in my 2¢ worth:
>
>- If a user list is created, I'll gladly participate.
>
>- Having a Cordova-branded user list could be useful from a "branding"
>perspective. The Adobe Forums are "PhoneGap" branded, and the Google Group
>is named "phonegap" (although the welcome text makes clear that it is for
>both environments). Personally, I don't have a problem with the difference
>in branding, but for newcomers, I'm sure it raises a few questions ("why am
>I going to a phonegap group for a cordova question?").
>
>- As for the blog, as much as I like that the announcements show up there,
>not everyone is into feed readers (for whatever reason. I'm not one of of
>them -- I'm a feedly addict). For those who prefer email subscriptions, a
>user list for announcements would be handy.
>
>- Google Group is still going, but activity is falling off as people
>discover the Adobe Forums. The group may need to become r/o at some point
>in the future, especially if use declines to next-to-nothing.
>
>- Getting people to read is always the catch -- they just don't. Sometimes
>I'm guilty of the same. Human nature, I suspect!
>
>~ Kerri
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:26 AM, julio cesar sanchez <jcesarmobile@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Kerri Shotts <ke...@photokandy.com>.
Thought I'd throw in my 2¢ worth:
- If a user list is created, I'll gladly participate.
- Having a Cordova-branded user list could be useful from a "branding"
perspective. The Adobe Forums are "PhoneGap" branded, and the Google Group
is named "phonegap" (although the welcome text makes clear that it is for
both environments). Personally, I don't have a problem with the difference
in branding, but for newcomers, I'm sure it raises a few questions ("why am
I going to a phonegap group for a cordova question?").
- As for the blog, as much as I like that the announcements show up there,
not everyone is into feed readers (for whatever reason. I'm not one of of
them -- I'm a feedly addict). For those who prefer email subscriptions, a
user list for announcements would be handy.
- Google Group is still going, but activity is falling off as people
discover the Adobe Forums. The group may need to become r/o at some point
in the future, especially if use declines to next-to-nothing.
- Getting people to read is always the catch -- they just don't. Sometimes
I'm guilty of the same. Human nature, I suspect!
~ Kerri
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:26 AM, julio cesar sanchez <jcesarmobile@gmail.com
> wrote:
> ...
>
Re: Users mailing list
Posted by julio cesar sanchez <jc...@gmail.com>.
That message is relatively new, was included because a lot of people was
expecting adobe support.
I don't think the google group is defunct, last time I checked it still had
more daily messages than the new adobe forums (but less than the old
phonegap build community)
2016-04-29 16:11 GMT+02:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> The expectation that it's be a peer group with no guarantees of dev
> >> involvement is very important, since that was not made clear on the
> Google
> >> group and made a lot of people upset.
>
> The top post on the GG has:
>
> "One last thing: the people on this list are volunteers. Do not assume
> that the Cordova developers are actively reading this group -- if you
> have a bug to report or feature request, do so at the Cordova Issue
> Tracker. "
>
> As the last sentence. Of course people don't read - but that would
> apply to some new list too.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for StrongLoop at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
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>
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Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The expectation that it's be a peer group with no guarantees of dev
>> involvement is very important, since that was not made clear on the Google
>> group and made a lot of people upset.
The top post on the GG has:
"One last thing: the people on this list are volunteers. Do not assume
that the Cordova developers are actively reading this group -- if you
have a bug to report or feature request, do so at the Cordova Issue
Tracker. "
As the last sentence. Of course people don't read - but that would
apply to some new list too.
--
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Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
The Google Group is defunct?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2016 5:37 PM, "Shazron" <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps it's time for a users mailing list. No dev is expected to answer
>> questions on it.
>>
>
> I like this expectation. With the migration to the PhoneGap Adobe Forum
> from the defunct Google Group, a users list now makes sense.
>
> The expectation that it's be a peer group with no guarantees of dev
> involvement is very important, since that was not made clear on the Google
> group and made a lot of people upset.
>
> The only thing I dislike about this is that there's some Apache asshole
> that's going to come in and gloat.
>
>> Example: https://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html
>>
>> Right now we push people off to either:
>> 1. Stack Overflow
>> 2. PhoneGap Google Groups
>> 3. Adobe PhoneGap Forums
>>
>> Thoughts?
--
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Re: Users mailing list
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
On Apr 28, 2016 5:37 PM, "Shazron" <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps it's time for a users mailing list. No dev is expected to answer
> questions on it.
>
I like this expectation. With the migration to the PhoneGap Adobe Forum
from the defunct Google Group, a users list now makes sense.
The expectation that it's be a peer group with no guarantees of dev
involvement is very important, since that was not made clear on the Google
group and made a lot of people upset.
The only thing I dislike about this is that there's some Apache asshole
that's going to come in and gloat.
> Example: https://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html
>
> Right now we push people off to either:
> 1. Stack Overflow
> 2. PhoneGap Google Groups
> 3. Adobe PhoneGap Forums
>
> Thoughts?