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Posted to dev@river.apache.org by Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM> on 2007/02/16 04:48:17 UTC
getting back to River project organization...
Since my original post on thoughts on River project organization,
the discussion on the list has veered back away from organization,
and dived down into various discussions (code whitespace,
testing, long term picture, etc). I know those are all important to
varying degrees, but I'd like to get us back to spending some time
organizing and on process (I know, a bad word ;-)), so that we
can make progress within the context of a step wise progression.
I feel like the project needs to make some small successful steps
in which we can build on.
In the next day or so, I'll start the wiki page I proposed below and
put some of these organizational elements in them. You're then
free to go in an modify at will :-)
Mark- I like your breakdown here (modulo the testing discussion
that happened), so I'll try to incorporate that somehow. Thanks.
I think the first small step(s) should be to get the source code
in the project as our first milestone. Why don't we start with
Service UI, and then focus on the Starter Kit. To that end... Bill
has created a JIRA issue for the Service UI code contribution.
Do we need to define a process in which to vote on accepting it?
Let's work on getting that done.
thanks -Jim
On Jan 31, 2007, at 2:42 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
> 0) policy of how to deal with code changes (as in RIVER-2), also I
> think your point 5) should be discussed first;
> 1) setup of JIRA with components and proper permissions for
> developers,
> at least to the extend it makes sense;
> 2) we have a group of people that have actual access to SVN, meaning
> the ICLA and CCLA are fine and accounts are created;
> 3) merge ServiceUI and JTSK for the time being so we have one build
> process, I agree with Bob that separation complicate things.
> Although
> I hope this agreement only lasts for a few months ;-)
> 4) work towards an initial (internal) release that in all aspects
> compatible with the current JTSK, this means that fixes from Sun
> internally could get in as well as improvements lingering around
> the world. This would mean we assign issues to a new version and
> this allows those willing to participate to pick tasks in a way
> that is beneficial to the whole community on the short term;
> 5) setup of test infrastructure to validate the outcome of 4
>
> It is my expectation working towards an initial release takes at
> least a
> few months, depending on how much improvements we want in it. This
> buys
> us time to sort out the longer term roadmap issues, of which some of
> them can have a huge impact. If some of the roadmap issues are tackled
> in an early stage we could even start parallel development, although
> given the fact SVN has no merge history tracking I'm personally very
> reluctant to have any significant development going on in what is
> not the trunk branch.
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>
> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: thoughts on River project organization...
>
> Hi all-
>
> We've had a lot of good discussion on the list over
> the past month, but things haven't progressed as
> much as I think they could have. That's certainly just
> partly due to the nature of starting up a new project
> in a new space (for some of us), as well as not
> having the contributed block of code from the Starter
> Kit, Service UI, and testing in the project yet. It also seems
> to me, though, that some organization around the
> project could help us focus and make some good
> progress.
>
> To that end, I've gone back through the ~200 list
> messages, and tried to pull out a main list of topics.
> Would it help to have this on a wiki to help us track?
>
> If ya'll think this (organization) is a good idea -- I'd
> like to agree on the initial list, where to put it, and
> how best to attack it. Let me know what you think.
>
> thanks -Jim
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Here are some of the topics/issues that have been
> raised:
>
> River-dev:
>
> 1) Accepting main initial contributions:
> - Service UI code (vote needed?)
> - Starter Kit code
> - test code
>
> 2) Overall vision/characterization and goals of the project
> - Continuation of what's been done, new
> stuff, something else? If new stuff, expansion
> of core (horizontal) or vertical?
> - short term (e.g., plug replacable with existing release?
> compatibility?) and longer term goals
> - split the project in various pieces?
> - define a platform?
> - spec (in)compatibility goals
> - deliverables? repackage? separate releases/distributions?
> different services? core?
> - how does Service UI fit in?
> - still developing a "Starter Kit"?
>
> 3) Need TODO areas
> - "I want to help in River, what do I do?"
>
> 4) Roadmap
> - which version of J2SE?
> - when to convert com.sun.jini to org.apache.river namespace
> - support for "Jini across the firewall"
> - replacement (if any) for the starterkit installer
> - at what point do we force developers to change their
> existing scripts (e.g., com.sun.jini.start, config files,
> policy files)
> - "Subcomponents"? Organizing the code repository and site
> For separate releases, etc
> - what kind of releases? and when?
>
> 5) Project organization and process guidelines/standards
> - formation of PPMC?
> - how to accept new committers?
> - committers vs. non-committers?
> - monthly incubator status reports
> - status file <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html>
> page updates?
>
> 6) JIRA
> - use of JIRA (for everything, for only 'significant' things)?
> - use JIRA for site updates?
> - defining the JIRA components (website/infrastructure/
> contributions/serviceui/jtsk?) (java package names?)
> - move bugs from Sun db over?
>
> 7) Javadoc / Specs / Documentation
> - how/where host (Javadoc/specs/doc)
>
> 8) Testing
> - what's needed/required?
> - how to establish automated test execution?
>
> 9) Misc
> - <http://incubator.apache.org/river/> page updates?
> - project logo?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
On Feb 28, 2007, at 2:46 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
> Craig L Russell wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> JIRA is mostly self-serve, as opposed to the accounts that need to
>> be set up for committers on people.apache.org and the svn repos.
>> These need special permissions.
>> Everyone can create an account on JIRA. If you don't have
>> sufficient permissions, post to this alias with specific
>> complaints and one of the many JIRA admins can help out. If there
>> is someone with a keen interest in becoming a JIRA admin for the
>> River project let us know that as well, and 'twill be done.
>
> Thanks Craig,
>
> If nobody has a problem with it I'm volunteering to become JIRA admin
> for the River project. I have experience running a JIRA enterprise
> edition myself, so with some help of people who know the ASF
> particulars
> it should work out.
> --
> Mark
+1 (thanks Mark)
-Jim
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Dan Creswell <da...@dcrdev.demon.co.uk>.
Bob Scheifler wrote:
> Mark Brouwer wrote:
>> If nobody has a problem with it I'm volunteering to become JIRA admin
>> for the River project.
>
> Fine by me, thanks.
>
+1
> - Bob
>
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Bob Scheifler <Bo...@Sun.COM>.
Mark Brouwer wrote:
> If nobody has a problem with it I'm volunteering to become JIRA admin
> for the River project.
Fine by me, thanks.
- Bob
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Mark Brouwer <ma...@cheiron.org>.
Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> I've given you jira-administrator privileges. I notice that the River
> project has not really been set up (except for name, rank, and serial
> number ;-)
>
> Have fun.
Thanks.
--
Mark
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Mark,
I've given you jira-administrator privileges. I notice that the River
project has not really been set up (except for name, rank, and serial
number ;-)
Have fun.
Craig
On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:46 PM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
> Craig L Russell wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> JIRA is mostly self-serve, as opposed to the accounts that need to
>> be set up for committers on people.apache.org and the svn repos.
>> These need special permissions.
>> Everyone can create an account on JIRA. If you don't have
>> sufficient permissions, post to this alias with specific
>> complaints and one of the many JIRA admins can help out. If there
>> is someone with a keen interest in becoming a JIRA admin for the
>> River project let us know that as well, and 'twill be done.
>
> Thanks Craig,
>
> If nobody has a problem with it I'm volunteering to become JIRA admin
> for the River project. I have experience running a JIRA enterprise
> edition myself, so with some help of people who know the ASF
> particulars
> it should work out.
> --
> Mark
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Mark Brouwer <ma...@cheiron.org>.
Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> JIRA is mostly self-serve, as opposed to the accounts that need to be
> set up for committers on people.apache.org and the svn repos. These need
> special permissions.
>
> Everyone can create an account on JIRA. If you don't have sufficient
> permissions, post to this alias with specific complaints and one of the
> many JIRA admins can help out. If there is someone with a keen interest
> in becoming a JIRA admin for the River project let us know that as well,
> and 'twill be done.
Thanks Craig,
If nobody has a problem with it I'm volunteering to become JIRA admin
for the River project. I have experience running a JIRA enterprise
edition myself, so with some help of people who know the ASF particulars
it should work out.
--
Mark
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Mark,
JIRA is mostly self-serve, as opposed to the accounts that need to be
set up for committers on people.apache.org and the svn repos. These
need special permissions.
Everyone can create an account on JIRA. If you don't have sufficient
permissions, post to this alias with specific complaints and one of
the many JIRA admins can help out. If there is someone with a keen
interest in becoming a JIRA admin for the River project let us know
that as well, and 'twill be done.
Craig
On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> Great. I'll send account requests.
>
> Geir, while you are busy requesting accounts could you also have a
> look whether the initial committers have developer privileges in JIRA,
> or why else we can't assign issues to others/ourselves or why the
> other
> workflow actions are not visible to committers. The strange thing is I
> seem to be able to resolve issues.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Mark
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Mark Brouwer <ma...@cheiron.org>.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Great. I'll send account requests.
Geir, while you are busy requesting accounts could you also have a
look whether the initial committers have developer privileges in JIRA,
or why else we can't assign issues to others/ourselves or why the other
workflow actions are not visible to committers. The strange thing is I
seem to be able to resolve issues.
Thanks,
--
Mark
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Nigel Daley <nd...@mac.com>.
On Feb 26, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>> Heeeeelllllpppp! :-o
>
> :)
>
>>
>> I may be just lost in how to proceed (please educate me),
>> but I'm not seeing any of the initial committers from the Proposal
>> actually set up.
>>
>> When I look at: <http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html>
>> it seems that Brouwer, Creswell, Daley, and Murphy have
>> acknowledged ICLAs, but aren't setup on River.
>
> Great. I'll send account requests.
>
> geir
Hi Geir,
My account is nigel at apache.org. Can you grant me karma for river?
Thanks,
Nige
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
On Feb 26, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
> Heeeeelllllpppp! :-o
:)
>
> I may be just lost in how to proceed (please educate me),
> but I'm not seeing any of the initial committers from the Proposal
> actually set up.
>
> When I look at: <http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html>
> it seems that Brouwer, Creswell, Daley, and Murphy have
> acknowledged ICLAs, but aren't setup on River.
Great. I'll send account requests.
geir
>
> Geir (or Phil, Gianugo) -- can you help us through this?
>
> -Jim
>
> On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>> If we're going to be targeting March for Board status... then
>> it would be good to have some solid progress to report :-)
>>
>> Geir - can you help here so we can start the process of
>> getting the source from the Proposal into the project.
>> That sure seems like Step 0.
>>
>> thanks -Jim
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>
>>> Date: February 20, 2007 10:57:16 PM EST
>>> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: getting back to River project organization...
>>>
>>> Geir-
>>>
>>> Are we set with all the initial committers from the Proposal?
>>> If so, does anything need to be done to setup the committers
>>> or the initial PPMC?
>>>
>>> thanks -Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>>>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
>>>>> :
>>>>> BTW Geir what is the status with regard to the accounts, do you
>>>>> have all
>>>>> the required ICLAs and CCLAs in?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> I believe we're all set from the Sun initial committers -side, but
>>>> it would really help to get that confirmation. Geir- can you
>>>> confirm?
>>>>
>>>> thanks -Jim
>
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
Heeeeelllllpppp! :-o
I may be just lost in how to proceed (please educate me),
but I'm not seeing any of the initial committers from the Proposal
actually set up.
When I look at: <http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html>
it seems that Brouwer, Creswell, Daley, and Murphy have
acknowledged ICLAs, but aren't setup on River.
Geir (or Phil, Gianugo) -- can you help us through this?
-Jim
On Feb 23, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
> If we're going to be targeting March for Board status... then
> it would be good to have some solid progress to report :-)
>
> Geir - can you help here so we can start the process of
> getting the source from the Proposal into the project.
> That sure seems like Step 0.
>
> thanks -Jim
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>
>> Date: February 20, 2007 10:57:16 PM EST
>> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: getting back to River project organization...
>>
>> Geir-
>>
>> Are we set with all the initial committers from the Proposal?
>> If so, does anything need to be done to setup the committers
>> or the initial PPMC?
>>
>> thanks -Jim
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
>>>> :
>>>> BTW Geir what is the status with regard to the accounts, do you
>>>> have all
>>>> the required ICLAs and CCLAs in?
>>>> --
>>>> Mark
>>>
>>> I believe we're all set from the Sun initial committers -side, but
>>> it would really help to get that confirmation. Geir- can you
>>> confirm?
>>>
>>> thanks -Jim
Fwd: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
If we're going to be targeting March for Board status... then
it would be good to have some solid progress to report :-)
Geir - can you help here so we can start the process of
getting the source from the Proposal into the project.
That sure seems like Step 0.
thanks -Jim
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>
> Date: February 20, 2007 10:57:16 PM EST
> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: getting back to River project organization...
> Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
> Geir-
>
> Are we set with all the initial committers from the Proposal?
> If so, does anything need to be done to setup the committers
> or the initial PPMC?
>
> thanks -Jim
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
>>> :
>>> BTW Geir what is the status with regard to the accounts, do you
>>> have all
>>> the required ICLAs and CCLAs in?
>>> --
>>> Mark
>>
>> I believe we're all set from the Sun initial committers -side, but
>> it would really help to get that confirmation. Geir- can you
>> confirm?
>>
>> thanks -Jim
>
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
Geir-
Are we set with all the initial committers from the Proposal?
If so, does anything need to be done to setup the committers
or the initial PPMC?
thanks -Jim
On Feb 17, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
>> :
>> BTW Geir what is the status with regard to the accounts, do you
>> have all
>> the required ICLAs and CCLAs in?
>> --
>> Mark
>
> I believe we're all set from the Sun initial committers -side, but
> it would really help to get that confirmation. Geir- can you confirm?
>
> thanks -Jim
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Jim Hurley <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Mark Brouwer wrote:
> :
> BTW Geir what is the status with regard to the accounts, do you
> have all
> the required ICLAs and CCLAs in?
> --
> Mark
I believe we're all set from the Sun initial committers -side, but
it would really help to get that confirmation. Geir- can you confirm?
thanks -Jim
Re: getting back to River project organization...
Posted by Mark Brouwer <ma...@cheiron.org>.
Jim Hurley wrote:
> I think the first small step(s) should be to get the source code
> in the project as our first milestone. Why don't we start with
> Service UI, and then focus on the Starter Kit. To that end... Bill
> has created a JIRA issue for the Service UI code contribution.
> Do we need to define a process in which to vote on accepting it?
> Let's work on getting that done.
As Geir mentioned in this posting
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-river-dev/200701.mbox/%3c68E32F29-CEAC-468D-BAAA-7C00AAB1999D@pobox.com%3e
I think one of the mentors should start a vote [1] for accepting the
code, we can then check (or maybe should already have done that?)
whether it complies with the ASF requirements.
[1] so they can formulate in a way that won't result in a discussion
about whitespace and location in SVN, for it is very easy to end up
there. If that is the intention of such a vote than that is fine,
but I think it is better if the mentors are to blame for that ;-)
BTW Geir what is the status with regard to the accounts, do you have all
the required ICLAs and CCLAs in?
--
Mark