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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Notes Jonny <jo...@gmail.com> on 2014/07/07 15:23:51 UTC
Adding [svn users] to subject
Hi Guys
Have you thought about adding [svn users] to prefix the subject of emails?
It would make my mailbox simpler to prioritise all emails.. Currently
I need to read the subjects.. or implement some complex filtering to
folder of svn users emails..
Thanks for considering this.
Regards
Jon
Re: Adding [svn users] to subject
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@wandisco.com>.
On 07.07.2014 15:37, Notes Jonny wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Branko Čibej <br...@wandisco.com> wrote:
>> On 07.07.2014 15:23, Notes Jonny wrote:
>>> Hi Guys
>>> Have you thought about adding [svn users] to prefix the subject of emails?
>> Yes, and we shied away from the idea in sheer terror.
>>
>>> It would make my mailbox simpler to prioritise all emails.. Currently
>>> I need to read the subjects.. or implement some complex filtering to
>>> folder of svn users emails..
>> All messages sent to this list contain the standard list identification
>> header:
>>
>> List-Id: <users.subversion.apache.org>
>>
>> Most mail clients can create filters based on that.
> Hi Brane
>
> Yes, I thought it would have been discussed. As far as I am aware, my
> client GMail can't add [svn users] to the subject of such emails.
Your client GMail can very easily create filters based on the list ID,
and assign labels to the messages that match the filter rules. I should
know — I use GMail's filters for exactly that.
There's no substantial difference between mangling the subject line and
adding labels in GMail; the latter is arguably easier to work with.
-- Brane
--
Branko Čibej | Director of Subversion
WANdisco // Non-Stop Data
e. brane@wandisco.com
Re: Adding [svn users] to subject
Posted by Notes Jonny <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Branko Čibej <br...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> On 07.07.2014 15:23, Notes Jonny wrote:
>> Hi Guys
>> Have you thought about adding [svn users] to prefix the subject of emails?
>
> Yes, and we shied away from the idea in sheer terror.
>
>> It would make my mailbox simpler to prioritise all emails.. Currently
>> I need to read the subjects.. or implement some complex filtering to
>> folder of svn users emails..
>
> All messages sent to this list contain the standard list identification
> header:
>
> List-Id: <users.subversion.apache.org>
>
> Most mail clients can create filters based on that.
Hi Brane
Yes, I thought it would have been discussed. As far as I am aware, my
client GMail can't add [svn users] to the subject of such emails.
Re: Adding [svn users] to subject
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@wandisco.com>.
On 07.07.2014 15:23, Notes Jonny wrote:
> Hi Guys
> Have you thought about adding [svn users] to prefix the subject of emails?
Yes, and we shied away from the idea in sheer terror.
> It would make my mailbox simpler to prioritise all emails.. Currently
> I need to read the subjects.. or implement some complex filtering to
> folder of svn users emails..
All messages sent to this list contain the standard list identification
header:
List-Id: <users.subversion.apache.org>
Most mail clients can create filters based on that.
-- Brane
--
Branko Čibej | Director of Subversion
WANdisco // Non-Stop Data
e. brane@wandisco.com
Re: Adding [svn users] to subject
Posted by Notes Jonny <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Ben Reser <be...@reser.org> wrote:
> On 7/7/14 6:23 AM, Notes Jonny wrote:
>> Have you thought about adding [svn users] to prefix the subject of emails?
>>
>> It would make my mailbox simpler to prioritise all emails.. Currently
>> I need to read the subjects.. or implement some complex filtering to
>> folder of svn users emails..
>
> Modifying mail going to mailing lists is a very bad idea these days. It's
> becoming increasingly common for mail providers to sign mail and then publish
> DNS records that tell receivers that they can reject mail that is not properly
> signed. Modifying the mail then means these signatures no longer validate and
> the mail may be rejected.
>
> Yahoo changed their DMARC settings in April of this year to tell receivers that
> they should start rejecting mail that was not signed. This caused many mailing
> lists that are doing exactly what you suggest to start dropping mail coming
> from Yahoo users.
>
> The solutions for this as outlined here are not great:
> http://www.dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3
> http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Mitigating_DMARC_damage_to_third_party_mail
>
> It basically comes down to:
>
> 1) Don't modify mail.
>
> 2) Start modifying the mail in more intrusive ways.
>
> At the Apache Software Foundation for lists that don't follow the first option
> they've adopted the .invalid option:
> http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Mitigating_DMARC_damage_to_third_party_mail#Add_fixed_string_such_as_.invalid_to_addresses
>
> Which means for domains where DMARC configuration would break the mail the
> sender mail is changed to have a .invalid postfix on the sender's address. For
> example in the case of Yahoo user@yahoo.com.invalid
>
> This would be particularly problematic for our users@ list because often we
> have posters who are not subscribed to the list and would like to receive the
> responses back. Responders would have to pay attention to the addresses and
> fix them manually in all these cases.
>
> I don't think munging the email subject is worth dealing with that.
Hi Ben
Thank you for making these points. Unfortunately I agree that it is no
longer possible to do what I feel is the ideal solution (add an
[subversion-users] to subject).
Thanks again for providing the links
Jon
Re: Adding [svn users] to subject
Posted by Ben Reser <be...@reser.org>.
On 7/7/14 6:23 AM, Notes Jonny wrote:
> Have you thought about adding [svn users] to prefix the subject of emails?
>
> It would make my mailbox simpler to prioritise all emails.. Currently
> I need to read the subjects.. or implement some complex filtering to
> folder of svn users emails..
Modifying mail going to mailing lists is a very bad idea these days. It's
becoming increasingly common for mail providers to sign mail and then publish
DNS records that tell receivers that they can reject mail that is not properly
signed. Modifying the mail then means these signatures no longer validate and
the mail may be rejected.
Yahoo changed their DMARC settings in April of this year to tell receivers that
they should start rejecting mail that was not signed. This caused many mailing
lists that are doing exactly what you suggest to start dropping mail coming
from Yahoo users.
The solutions for this as outlined here are not great:
http://www.dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3
http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Mitigating_DMARC_damage_to_third_party_mail
It basically comes down to:
1) Don't modify mail.
2) Start modifying the mail in more intrusive ways.
At the Apache Software Foundation for lists that don't follow the first option
they've adopted the .invalid option:
http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Mitigating_DMARC_damage_to_third_party_mail#Add_fixed_string_such_as_.invalid_to_addresses
Which means for domains where DMARC configuration would break the mail the
sender mail is changed to have a .invalid postfix on the sender's address. For
example in the case of Yahoo user@yahoo.com.invalid
This would be particularly problematic for our users@ list because often we
have posters who are not subscribed to the list and would like to receive the
responses back. Responders would have to pay attention to the addresses and
fix them manually in all these cases.
I don't think munging the email subject is worth dealing with that.