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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> on 2011/11/28 19:24:21 UTC
What about BrOffice?
Hi guys;
I am not meaning to alienate the Brazilian community or
anything like that. Just wondering if there are thoughts
on BrOffice brand and releases.
AFAICT, BrOffice is not a trademark SUN owned so it was
not transferred to the ASF. I think the BrOffice people
will have to make a proposal to the PPMC but just some
points to wonder about:
- Are we (AOO) allowed to carry BrOffice branding stuff
in our repository at all?
- Can anyone release a BrOffice branded product?
- How will it be differentiated by the BrOffice derived
from LibreOffice (therefore under a different license)?
- Could/should it be called Apache BrOffice? (would
surely require permission from ASF if that's the case).
Just thinking that such things should be planned
beforehand ;).
cheers,
Pedro.
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On 28 Nov 2011, at 18:24, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> I am not meaning to alienate the Brazilian community or
> anything like that. Just wondering if there are thoughts
> on BrOffice brand and releases.
I believe the BrOffice community joined the Document Foundation some time ago and is now fully merged; certainly http://broffice.org points clearly at LibreOffice.
S.
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
OK;
I have a patch that removes every occurrence of BrOffice,
and the logos.
It actually makes branding simpler but I don't
know if my patch affects the packaging.
I found a reversely related bug in bugzilla so I put
up the patch for testing at:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=113843
cheers,
Pedro.
Res: Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Jomar Silva <ho...@gmail.com>.
Pedro,
The history told in Brazil for many users is: BrOffice changed its name to LibreOffice.
So, the damage is already done and we'll need to start almost from the scratch with Apache OpenOffice.
If we insist to use the old BrOffice brand, probably we'll just put more noise on the market.
Best,
Jomar
-----Original Message-----
From: Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:59:25
To: <oo...@incubator.apache.org>
Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: What about BrOffice?
--- Lun 28/11/11, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> ha scritto:
..
>
> > - Are we (AOO) allowed to carry BrOffice branding
> stuff
> > in our repository at all?
>
> Why would we want to do that?
>
I don't know.. you brought it in ;) :
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/inc_broffice/
I do think we want to be Apache OpenOffice in Brazil too,
despite the fact OpenOffice.org was relatively unknown
there. I just wanted to be sure I can dispose of the old
BrOffice logos and stuff.
> Is there a problem with just having a Brazilian
> Portuguese release of Apache OpenOffice using the
> name "Apache OpenOffice"? That would be the
> simplest thing to do.
We will lose many users but I think they are already
"lost" anyways.
Pedro.
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11/28/2011 07:43 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi guys;
>>
>> I am not meaning to alienate the Brazilian community or
>> anything like that. Just wondering if there are thoughts
>> on BrOffice brand and releases.
>>
>> AFAICT, BrOffice is not a trademark SUN owned so it was
>> not transferred to the ASF. I think the BrOffice people
>> will have to make a proposal to the PPMC but just some
>> points to wonder about:
>>
>
> IMHO, the name "BrOffice" is different enough from "OpenOffice" that
> there is not a problem here from the AOO perspective. But if someone
> else owns the trademark for "BrOffice" then that might be a different
> problem.
>
>> - Are we (AOO) allowed to carry BrOffice branding stuff
>> in our repository at all?
>
> Why would we want to do that?
FYI:
In the past Sun/Oracle has done special builds for the Brazilian
community as the usual name was occupied. However, in the last builds we
have canceled to build BrOffice install files and have done normal OOo
builds also for the pt-BR local, too (see
"download.openoffice.org/other.html" and
"download.openoffice.org/all_beta.html" for reference).
However, I don't know if branding stuff (graphics, icons, etc.) is in
the code at all but some brand names and similar things should be still
there. So, this should be deleted now.
> Is there a problem with just having a Brazilian Portuguese release of
> Apache OpenOffice using the name "Apache OpenOffice"? That would be
> the simplest thing to do.
Yes, "Apache OpenOffice" should be different enough.
At Sun/Oracle we had already the "problem" of difference names
(StarOffice and StarSuite) for difference markets. Let's try this time
to stick with a single name. :-)
Marcus
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Luiz Oliveira <lc...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Not quite the whole story, but ultimately does not matter. So I agree with
guys who think that here in Brazil the product has the name Apache
OpenOffice.
Rgds,
Luiz Oliveira
2011/11/28 Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On Nov 28, 2011 6:43 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hi guys;
>
> ...
>
> > >
> > > AFAICT, BrOffice is not a trademark SUN owned so it was
> > > not transferred to the ASF. I think the BrOffice people
> > > will have to make a proposal to the PPMC but just some
> > > points to wonder about:
> > >
> >
> > IMHO, the name "BrOffice" is different enough from "OpenOffice" that
> > there is not a problem here from the AOO perspective.
>
> +1
>
> Ross
>
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Nov 28, 2011 6:43 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi guys;
...
> >
> > AFAICT, BrOffice is not a trademark SUN owned so it was
> > not transferred to the ASF. I think the BrOffice people
> > will have to make a proposal to the PPMC but just some
> > points to wonder about:
> >
>
> IMHO, the name "BrOffice" is different enough from "OpenOffice" that
> there is not a problem here from the AOO perspective.
+1
Ross
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>
> --- Lun 28/11/11, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> ha scritto:
> ..
>>
>>> - Are we (AOO) allowed to carry BrOffice branding
>> stuff
>>> in our repository at all?
>>
>> Why would we want to do that?
>>
>
> I don't know.. you brought it in ;) :
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/inc_broffice/
>
> I do think we want to be Apache OpenOffice in Brazil too,
> despite the fact OpenOffice.org was relatively unknown
> there. I just wanted to be sure I can dispose of the old
> BrOffice logos and stuff.
The openoffice.org N-L site for PT-BR is a simple link to broffice.org - this must change.
See - http://ooo-site.apache.org/pt-br/ and http://br-pt.openoffice.org/
If we had a PT-BR translation of the current www.openoffice.org buttons and news that would help.
>
>> Is there a problem with just having a Brazilian
>> Portuguese release of Apache OpenOffice using the
>> name "Apache OpenOffice"? That would be the
>> simplest thing to do.
>
> We will lose many users but I think they are already
> "lost" anyways.
As you see the OOo site lost the users for us.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Pedro.
>
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
--- Lun 28/11/11, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> ha scritto:
..
>
> > - Are we (AOO) allowed to carry BrOffice branding
> stuff
> > in our repository at all?
>
> Why would we want to do that?
>
I don't know.. you brought it in ;) :
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/inc_broffice/
I do think we want to be Apache OpenOffice in Brazil too,
despite the fact OpenOffice.org was relatively unknown
there. I just wanted to be sure I can dispose of the old
BrOffice logos and stuff.
> Is there a problem with just having a Brazilian
> Portuguese release of Apache OpenOffice using the
> name "Apache OpenOffice"? That would be the
> simplest thing to do.
We will lose many users but I think they are already
"lost" anyways.
Pedro.
Re: What about BrOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi guys;
>
> I am not meaning to alienate the Brazilian community or
> anything like that. Just wondering if there are thoughts
> on BrOffice brand and releases.
>
> AFAICT, BrOffice is not a trademark SUN owned so it was
> not transferred to the ASF. I think the BrOffice people
> will have to make a proposal to the PPMC but just some
> points to wonder about:
>
IMHO, the name "BrOffice" is different enough from "OpenOffice" that
there is not a problem here from the AOO perspective. But if someone
else owns the trademark for "BrOffice" then that might be a different
problem.
> - Are we (AOO) allowed to carry BrOffice branding stuff
> in our repository at all?
Why would we want to do that?
> - Can anyone release a BrOffice branded product?
This depends on whether someone else claims a trademark on BrOffice.
> - How will it be differentiated by the BrOffice derived
> from LibreOffice (therefore under a different license)?
> - Could/should it be called Apache BrOffice? (would
> surely require permission from ASF if that's the case).
>
"Apache BrOffice" would be a problem unless BrOffice was the name of
an actual Apache project.
> Just thinking that such things should be planned
> beforehand ;).
>
Is there a problem with just having a Brazilian Portuguese release of
Apache OpenOffice using the name "Apache OpenOffice"? That would be
the simplest thing to do.
-Rob
> cheers,
>
> Pedro.
>
>