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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by Nick Kew <ni...@webthing.com> on 2010/10/01 01:53:28 UTC

Re: [users@httpd] Untainting module for Apache

On 30 Sep 2010, at 18:23, Igor Galić wrote:

> Why not put it in svn in httpd's sandbox?

Hadn't 100% decided ...

>> http://people.apache.org/~niq/mod_taint.html
>> http://people.apache.org/~niq/mod_taint.c
> 
> does it make more sense to use it on a reverse proxy or
> on the backend in question?

Either of those might find a use for it.  Running it on a proxy
has the advantage of being the first port of call, so long
as nothing bad can come from behind the proxy.  I guess
that's a similar question to authentication at the proxy.
The "what are you protecting against" (malicious vs
accidental attack) might be relevant too if you have
both internal/trusted and external/untrusted users.

-- 
Nick Kew


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Re: [users@httpd] Untainting module for Apache

Posted by "J. Greenlees" <li...@jaqui-greenlees.net>.
J. Greenlees wrote:
> Nick Kew wrote:
>> ~snip~
>
>> Either of those might find a use for it.  Running it on a proxy
>> has the advantage of being the first port of call, so long
>> as nothing bad can come from behind the proxy.  I guess
>> that's a similar question to authentication at the proxy.
>> The "what are you protecting against" (malicious vs
>> accidental attack) might be relevant too if you have
>> both internal/trusted and external/untrusted users.
>>   
>
> I'll have to look for the reference articles, but a quick summary of 
> them:
> Majority of recent corporate security breaches have been insider jobs.
> disgruntled employees, recently dismissed, or not thinking were the 
> usual causes.
> I know it was a Gartner and Associates report. [ for whatever the 
> source is worth ]
>
> So a best practice for securing is there is no trusted user. makes for 
> a not very usable system though.
> I could easily see mod_taint giving a more usable system  without 
> losing a lot in the security of the system.
>
> Jaqui

oops, I was wrong, it was the U.S. Secret Service report.
http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac_its.shtml


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Re: [users@httpd] Untainting module for Apache

Posted by "J. Greenlees" <li...@jaqui-greenlees.net>.
Nick Kew wrote:
> ~snip~

> Either of those might find a use for it.  Running it on a proxy
> has the advantage of being the first port of call, so long
> as nothing bad can come from behind the proxy.  I guess
> that's a similar question to authentication at the proxy.
> The "what are you protecting against" (malicious vs
> accidental attack) might be relevant too if you have
> both internal/trusted and external/untrusted users.
>   

I'll have to look for the reference articles, but a quick summary of them:
Majority of recent corporate security breaches have been insider jobs.
disgruntled employees, recently dismissed, or not thinking were the 
usual causes.
I know it was a Gartner and Associates report. [ for whatever the source 
is worth ]

So a best practice for securing is there is no trusted user. makes for a 
not very usable system though.
I could easily see mod_taint giving a more usable system  without losing 
a lot in the security of the system.

Jaqui


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