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[jira] Created: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
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Key: CONNECTORS-116
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
Project: ManifoldCF
Issue Type: Task
Components: Memex connector
Reporter: Robert Muir
Assignee: Robert Muir
Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Grant Ingersoll (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Grant Ingersoll commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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In talking w/ Legal, we should remove the current code from trunk.
bq. If it is truly an IP issue, then no amount of clean-room implementation will help here. They have been taking the approach that the code was not licensed for this use, but also giving IP as the reason for their concern.
For better or worse, I'd consider any Memex code at this point to be tainted and would likely -1 a supposed "clean room" implementation, b/c, IMO, it would be too easy to say that it wasn't clean room. At any rate, it's Memex loss in that all they are doing is making it harder for their software to be consumed by the very people who have already paid them for their capabilities. Contrast that with Sharepoint, who makes so much available for developers who want to build upon Sharepoint capabilities. (And believe me, I'm no MS fanboy) How anyone could think that making it easier to connect to your software/capabilities is a bad thing is beyond me.
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
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>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Karl Wright (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Karl Wright commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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It's still not clear what the nature of the issue Memex has with this connector. If it is truly an IP issue, then no amount of clean-room implementation will help here. They have been taking the approach that the code was not licensed for this use, but also giving IP as the reason for their concern.
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Jack Krupansky (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Jack Krupansky commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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It would be nice to see a comment about what would be required to add Memex support back.
I note the following statement in the original incubation submission:
"It is unlikely that EMC, OpenText, Memex, or IBM would grant Apache-license-compatible use of these client libraries. Thus, the expectation is that users of these connectors obtain the necessary client libraries from the owners prior to building or using the corresponding connector. An alternative would be to undertake a clean-room implementation of the client API's, which may well yield suitable results in some cases (LiveLink, Memex, FileNet), while being out of reach in others (Documentum). Conditional compilation, for the short term, is thus likely to be a necessity."
Is it only the Memex connector that now has this problem?
Do we need do a clean-room implementation for Memex? For any of the others?
FWIW, I don't see a Google Connector for Memex.
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
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> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Resolved: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Robert Muir (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Robert Muir resolved CONNECTORS-116.
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Resolution: Fixed
Committed revision 1023998.
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Karl Wright (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Karl Wright commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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I just want to point out that Apache Legal is not the only stakeholder here. The community also may choose to take action regardless of the results of Apache Legal's review. Obviously any such action should be done in accordance with procedures laid out by Apache Legal, however.
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Karl Wright (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Karl Wright commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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This is not about client libraries (which we do not include). This is about the connector code itself. And, yes, only Memex has this problem, because all other connectors that were developed with the help of contractors used third-party contractors who used the typical arrangement that the code they developed belonged to MetaCarta. Memex was the only connector developed using the professional services of the target repository company.
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Jukka Zitting (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Jukka Zitting commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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>From a somewhat related legal-discuss@ thread: "We're not in the business of incorporating code from non-voluntary contributions." -- Justin Erenkranz (see http://markmail.org/message/x5nlmpumncg66zz6)
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Mark Miller (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Mark Miller commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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Indeed - my impression is that we are all happy to see this code be pulled if that's what the original contributors want (or what they are legally bound to want) - we just think that process should be public before the code is silently taken out back and shot ;)
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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[jira] Commented: (CONNECTORS-116) Possibly remove memex connector
depending upon legal resolution
Posted by "Robert Muir (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Robert Muir commented on CONNECTORS-116:
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Grant, thanks for reporting back.
I will remove the memex connector shortly unless there are objections.
> Possibly remove memex connector depending upon legal resolution
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CONNECTORS-116
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CONNECTORS-116
> Project: ManifoldCF
> Issue Type: Task
> Components: Memex connector
> Reporter: Robert Muir
> Assignee: Robert Muir
>
> Apparently there is an IP problem with the memex connector code.
> Depending upon what apache legal says, we will take any action under this issue publicly.
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