XP principles [ was "geronimo and avalon?" ]

[Paul Hammant <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>]

James,

Any chance that this project could lean towards TDD?

That, obviously after you guys have booked code in, componentized it and 
test covered it.  That and working out what to test, versus what will be 
replaced etc.

Regards,

- Paul

>> It is way too early to talk of a (internal) component design.  
>> Refactor to it later. Or enable all visions, again later.  Working 
>> code that passes unit tests is far more important.
>
>
> +1.
>
> Lets try not do too much design up front. Most important right now is 
> creating unit tests, getting good test coverage & completing the 
> EJB/MDB container & integrating Tomcat/Jetty, James, Axis, OJB,  
> OpenJMS etc. (Note thats not just dropping components into a container 
> - its things like using MDBs in James & Axis or transactions in OJB, 
> OpenJms and EJB etc).
>
> Lets take an XP approach to get things functional and get it tested & 
> working, then look at refactoring when it makes sense later on. If we 
> spend too much time on up front design right now we'll never get 
> anywhere. I think Geronimo can only really be succesful if we follow 
> an XP path and let the framework show itself to us as we refactor 
> rather than designing it up front.
>
> James
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Re: XP principles [ was "geronimo and avalon?" ]

[Paul Hammant <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>]

James,

>> Any chance that this project could lean towards TDD?
>
>
> I'd love it to.

:-)

>
>> That, obviously after you guys have booked code in, componentized it 
>> and test covered it.  That and working out what to test, versus what 
>> will be replaced etc.
>
>
> We've so much to do and quite a large community with some folks 
> haven't been properly TDD infected yet so I'd not want to absolutely 
> enforce that TDD must be done on all code but I'd hope it can become 
> the norm.


Bit by bit though right ?

He he, the more I write here and the more often, the more ideas and 
design that I throw in, the more i delay you n the others completing the 
basics and shipping first src/bins right? 

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Re: XP principles [ was "geronimo and avalon?" ]

[James Strachan <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>]

On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 09:26  am, Paul Hammant wrote:
> James,
>
> Any chance that this project could lean towards TDD?

I'd love it to.


> That, obviously after you guys have booked code in, componentized it 
> and test covered it.  That and working out what to test, versus what 
> will be replaced etc.

We've so much to do and quite a large community with some folks haven't 
been properly TDD infected yet so I'd not want to absolutely enforce 
that TDD must be done on all code but I'd hope it can become the norm.

James
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