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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> on 2010/08/17 07:08:34 UTC

Re: svn commit: r106 - trunk/www: . cn-project-pages/snippets

-1 on this change: it adds a link to openCollabNet to our tigris HOMEPAGE,
without any prior discussion.

jrepenning_cn: please revert this asap, and avoid making changes to our
Website in this manner.

jrepenning_cn@tigris.org wrote on Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:24:52 -0700:
> Author: jrepenning_cn
> Date: 2010-08-16 17:24:51-0700
> New Revision: 106
> 
> Added:
>    trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/
>    trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/page.xml
> Modified:
>    trunk/www/index.html
> 
> Log:
> Updated html component through the web interface.
> 
> Added: trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/page.xml
> Url: http://subversion.tigris.org/source/browse/subversion/trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/page.xml?view=markup&pathrev=106
> ==============================================================================
> --- (empty file)
> +++ trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/page.xml	2010-08-16 17:24:51-0700
> @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@
> +<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> +<page visibility="1">
> +  <component_list>
> +    <component visibility="1" type="ProjectMetadata" order="1">
> +      <title localize="false" />
> +    </component>
> +    <component visibility="1" type="Html" order="2">
> +      <title localize="false" />
> +      <filename>index.html</filename>
> +    </component>
> +    <component visibility="1" type="Subproject" order="3">
> +      <title localize="true">Subprojects</title>
> +    </component>
> +  </component_list>
> +</page>
> +
> 
> Modified: trunk/www/index.html
> Url: http://subversion.tigris.org/source/browse/subversion/trunk/www/index.html?view=diff&pathrev=106&r1=105&r2=106
> ==============================================================================
> --- trunk/www/index.html	(original)
> +++ trunk/www/index.html	2010-08-16 17:24:51-0700
> @@ -1,44 +1 @@
> -<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
> -"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
> -<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
> -<head>
> -<title>subversion.tigris.org</title>
> -<!-- Custom stylations to hide the obnoxious project info -->
> -<style type="text/css">
> -#projecthome .axial { display: none; }
> -#apphead h1 { display: none; }
> -#longdescription { border: none; }
> -#longdescription h2 { display: none; }
> -#customcontent h2 { display: block; }
> -</style>
> -<!-- End custom stylations -->
> -</head>
> -<body>
> -<div class="app">
> -
> -<div style="text-align: center;">
> -  <img src="images/subversion_logo_hor-468x64.png" alt="Subversion" />
> -</div>
> -
> -<div style="margin: 2em 10%;">
> -
> -<p>This is the former website of the Subversion software project,
> -   which now calls <a href="http://subversion.apache.org/"
> -   style="font-weight: bold;" >subversion.apache.org</a> home.</p>
> -
> -<p>Until the transition into Apache-hood is complete, this site will
> -   continue to serve some of the purposes of the Subversion project.
> -   For example, the project is still using
> -   the <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/issue-tracker.html"
> -   >issue tracker</a> hosted here.  But in time, it is expected that
> -   this site will be converted into mostly just a set of pointers to
> -   information that has moved over to the subversion.apache.org
> -   site.</p>
> -
> -<p>Thanks for your patience as we work through this transition!</p>
> -
> -</div>
> -
> -</div> <!-- .app -->
> -</body>
> -</html>
> +<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />                                <div class="app">  <div style="text-align: center">   <img alt="Subversion" src="images/subversion_logo_hor-468x64.png" /> </div>  <div style="margin-top: 2em; margin-right: 10%; margin-bottom: 2em; margin-left: 10%">  <p>This is the former website of the Subversion software project,    which now calls <a style="font-weight: bold" href="http://subversion.apache.org/">subversion.apache.org</a> home.</p>  <p>Until the transition into Apache-hood is complete, this site will    continue to serve some of the purposes of the Subversion project.    For example, the project is still using    the <a href="http://subversion.tigris.org/issue-tracker.html">issue tracker</a> hosted here.  But in time, it is expected that    this site will be converted into mostly just a set of pointers to    information that has moved over to the subversion.apache.org    site.</p><p>If you're looking for 
>  downloads of Subversion, this is the wrong place. There are some out-of-date downloads here, for archival purposes, but for up-to-date installers, go to <a href="http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion/">openCollabNet</a> , or one of the other sites listed at subversion.apache.org.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>  <p>Thanks for your patience as we work through this transition!</p>  </div>  </div> <!-- .app -->                  
> \ No newline at end of file
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Re: svn commit: r106 - trunk/www: . cn-project-pages/snippets

Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Jack Repenning wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:09:15 -0700:
> 
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
> 
> > I've handled this reversion and reworked the text there to make the point
> > that I believe Jack (in his role as a Tigris administrator) was mostly
> > trying to make:  "Don't look for new stuff on this, our old site, and then
> > complain to the Tigris admins when you can't find it."
> > 
> > 
> > On 08/17/2010 12:08 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> >> -1 on this change: it adds a link to openCollabNet to our tigris HOMEPAGE,
> >> without any prior discussion.
> >> 
> >> jrepenning_cn: please revert this asap, and avoid making changes to our
> >> Website in this manner.
> 
> 
> 
> Yes. Thanks for cleaning up my mess, Mike, and sorry for botching the protocol.
> 
> I guess I'm getting a little obsessive about this problem:

No problem.  I appreciate that you had good intentions --- but jumping in
and editing our web page for us (especially in an underdiscussed and
unreviewable manner) wasn't, IMO, the best way to execute them. :-)

> we're still seeing 20-40 thousand downloads per week of the stale Windows binaries in the subversion.tigris.org "Documents and files" area, installers no newer than 1.6.6, and often a lot older. For instance, in the last week the top 10 downloads from this area are:
> 
> |     4920 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.6.msi | 
> |     3168 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.0.msi | 
> |     3039 | svn-win32-1.6.6.zip        | 
> |     2600 | svn-win32-1.5.6.zip        | 
> |     2185 | svn-1.4.0-setup.exe        | 
> |     2107 | svn-1.4.5-setup.exe        | 
> |     1813 | svn-1.4.6-setup.exe        | 
> |     1767 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.5.msi | 
> |     1056 | svn-win32-1.4.5.zip        | 
> |     1016 | svn-win32-1.4.3.zip        | 
> 
> "svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? I'm sorry ... "svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? Two thousand people really need svn-1.4.0-setup.exe? It's particularly interesting that the download numbers spike every time there's a new Subversion release--as, of course, they should, except that I'm still talking about downloads of older releases. I'm just not buying it. I think these people are confused, and I'm trying to figure out how to help them find something more up-to-date.
> 
> 

Not sure what we can do, other than add a big-red-letters "This is 1.4.0;
you probably don't need it" warning on the download page itself...



> 
> -==-
> Jack Repenning
> Chief Technology Officer
> CollabNet, Inc.
> 8000 Marina Boulevard, Suite 600
> Brisbane, California 94005
> office: +1 650.228.2562
> twitter: http://twitter.com/jrep
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: svn commit: r106 - trunk/www: . cn-project-pages/snippets

Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Jack Repenning wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:09:15 -0700:
> 
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
> 
> > I've handled this reversion and reworked the text there to make the point
> > that I believe Jack (in his role as a Tigris administrator) was mostly
> > trying to make:  "Don't look for new stuff on this, our old site, and then
> > complain to the Tigris admins when you can't find it."
> > 
> > 
> > On 08/17/2010 12:08 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> >> -1 on this change: it adds a link to openCollabNet to our tigris HOMEPAGE,
> >> without any prior discussion.
> >> 
> >> jrepenning_cn: please revert this asap, and avoid making changes to our
> >> Website in this manner.
> 
> 
> 
> Yes. Thanks for cleaning up my mess, Mike, and sorry for botching the protocol.
> 
> I guess I'm getting a little obsessive about this problem:

No problem.  I appreciate that you had good intentions --- but jumping in
and editing our web page for us (especially in an underdiscussed and
unreviewable manner) wasn't, IMO, the best way to execute them. :-)

> we're still seeing 20-40 thousand downloads per week of the stale Windows binaries in the subversion.tigris.org "Documents and files" area, installers no newer than 1.6.6, and often a lot older. For instance, in the last week the top 10 downloads from this area are:
> 
> |     4920 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.6.msi | 
> |     3168 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.0.msi | 
> |     3039 | svn-win32-1.6.6.zip        | 
> |     2600 | svn-win32-1.5.6.zip        | 
> |     2185 | svn-1.4.0-setup.exe        | 
> |     2107 | svn-1.4.5-setup.exe        | 
> |     1813 | svn-1.4.6-setup.exe        | 
> |     1767 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.5.msi | 
> |     1056 | svn-win32-1.4.5.zip        | 
> |     1016 | svn-win32-1.4.3.zip        | 
> 
> "svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? I'm sorry ... "svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? Two thousand people really need svn-1.4.0-setup.exe? It's particularly interesting that the download numbers spike every time there's a new Subversion release--as, of course, they should, except that I'm still talking about downloads of older releases. I'm just not buying it. I think these people are confused, and I'm trying to figure out how to help them find something more up-to-date.
> 
> 

Not sure what we can do, other than add a big-red-letters "This is 1.4.0;
you probably don't need it" warning on the download page itself...



> 
> -==-
> Jack Repenning
> Chief Technology Officer
> CollabNet, Inc.
> 8000 Marina Boulevard, Suite 600
> Brisbane, California 94005
> office: +1 650.228.2562
> twitter: http://twitter.com/jrep
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: svn commit: r106 - trunk/www: . cn-project-pages/snippets

Posted by Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net>.
On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM, C. Michael Pilato wrote:

> I've handled this reversion and reworked the text there to make the point
> that I believe Jack (in his role as a Tigris administrator) was mostly
> trying to make:  "Don't look for new stuff on this, our old site, and then
> complain to the Tigris admins when you can't find it."
> 
> 
> On 08/17/2010 12:08 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>> -1 on this change: it adds a link to openCollabNet to our tigris HOMEPAGE,
>> without any prior discussion.
>> 
>> jrepenning_cn: please revert this asap, and avoid making changes to our
>> Website in this manner.



Yes. Thanks for cleaning up my mess, Mike, and sorry for botching the protocol.

I guess I'm getting a little obsessive about this problem: we're still seeing 20-40 thousand downloads per week of the stale Windows binaries in the subversion.tigris.org "Documents and files" area, installers no newer than 1.6.6, and often a lot older. For instance, in the last week the top 10 downloads from this area are:

|     4920 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.6.msi | 
|     3168 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.0.msi | 
|     3039 | svn-win32-1.6.6.zip        | 
|     2600 | svn-win32-1.5.6.zip        | 
|     2185 | svn-1.4.0-setup.exe        | 
|     2107 | svn-1.4.5-setup.exe        | 
|     1813 | svn-1.4.6-setup.exe        | 
|     1767 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.5.msi | 
|     1056 | svn-win32-1.4.5.zip        | 
|     1016 | svn-win32-1.4.3.zip        | 

"svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? I'm sorry ... "svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? Two thousand people really need svn-1.4.0-setup.exe? It's particularly interesting that the download numbers spike every time there's a new Subversion release--as, of course, they should, except that I'm still talking about downloads of older releases. I'm just not buying it. I think these people are confused, and I'm trying to figure out how to help them find something more up-to-date.



-==-
Jack Repenning
Chief Technology Officer
CollabNet, Inc.
8000 Marina Boulevard, Suite 600
Brisbane, California 94005
office: +1 650.228.2562
twitter: http://twitter.com/jrep








Re: svn commit: r106 - trunk/www: . cn-project-pages/snippets

Posted by Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net>.
On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM, C. Michael Pilato wrote:

> I've handled this reversion and reworked the text there to make the point
> that I believe Jack (in his role as a Tigris administrator) was mostly
> trying to make:  "Don't look for new stuff on this, our old site, and then
> complain to the Tigris admins when you can't find it."
> 
> 
> On 08/17/2010 12:08 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>> -1 on this change: it adds a link to openCollabNet to our tigris HOMEPAGE,
>> without any prior discussion.
>> 
>> jrepenning_cn: please revert this asap, and avoid making changes to our
>> Website in this manner.



Yes. Thanks for cleaning up my mess, Mike, and sorry for botching the protocol.

I guess I'm getting a little obsessive about this problem: we're still seeing 20-40 thousand downloads per week of the stale Windows binaries in the subversion.tigris.org "Documents and files" area, installers no newer than 1.6.6, and often a lot older. For instance, in the last week the top 10 downloads from this area are:

|     4920 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.6.msi | 
|     3168 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.0.msi | 
|     3039 | svn-win32-1.6.6.zip        | 
|     2600 | svn-win32-1.5.6.zip        | 
|     2185 | svn-1.4.0-setup.exe        | 
|     2107 | svn-1.4.5-setup.exe        | 
|     1813 | svn-1.4.6-setup.exe        | 
|     1767 | Setup-Subversion-1.6.5.msi | 
|     1056 | svn-win32-1.4.5.zip        | 
|     1016 | svn-win32-1.4.3.zip        | 

"svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? I'm sorry ... "svn-1.4.0-setup.exe"? Two thousand people really need svn-1.4.0-setup.exe? It's particularly interesting that the download numbers spike every time there's a new Subversion release--as, of course, they should, except that I'm still talking about downloads of older releases. I'm just not buying it. I think these people are confused, and I'm trying to figure out how to help them find something more up-to-date.



-==-
Jack Repenning
Chief Technology Officer
CollabNet, Inc.
8000 Marina Boulevard, Suite 600
Brisbane, California 94005
office: +1 650.228.2562
twitter: http://twitter.com/jrep







Re: svn commit: r106 - trunk/www: . cn-project-pages/snippets

Posted by "C. Michael Pilato" <cm...@collab.net>.
I've handled this reversion and reworked the text there to make the point
that I believe Jack (in his role as a Tigris administrator) was mostly
trying to make:  "Don't look for new stuff on this, our old site, and then
complain to the Tigris admins when you can't find it."


On 08/17/2010 12:08 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> -1 on this change: it adds a link to openCollabNet to our tigris HOMEPAGE,
> without any prior discussion.
> 
> jrepenning_cn: please revert this asap, and avoid making changes to our
> Website in this manner.
> 
> jrepenning_cn@tigris.org wrote on Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:24:52 -0700:
>> Author: jrepenning_cn
>> Date: 2010-08-16 17:24:51-0700
>> New Revision: 106
>>
>> Added:
>>    trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/
>>    trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/page.xml
>> Modified:
>>    trunk/www/index.html
>>
>> Log:
>> Updated html component through the web interface.


-- 
C. Michael Pilato <cm...@collab.net>
CollabNet   <>   www.collab.net   <>   Distributed Development On Demand


Re: svn commit: r106 - trunk/www: . cn-project-pages/snippets

Posted by "C. Michael Pilato" <cm...@collab.net>.
I've handled this reversion and reworked the text there to make the point
that I believe Jack (in his role as a Tigris administrator) was mostly
trying to make:  "Don't look for new stuff on this, our old site, and then
complain to the Tigris admins when you can't find it."


On 08/17/2010 12:08 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> -1 on this change: it adds a link to openCollabNet to our tigris HOMEPAGE,
> without any prior discussion.
> 
> jrepenning_cn: please revert this asap, and avoid making changes to our
> Website in this manner.
> 
> jrepenning_cn@tigris.org wrote on Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:24:52 -0700:
>> Author: jrepenning_cn
>> Date: 2010-08-16 17:24:51-0700
>> New Revision: 106
>>
>> Added:
>>    trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/
>>    trunk/www/cn-project-pages/snippets/page.xml
>> Modified:
>>    trunk/www/index.html
>>
>> Log:
>> Updated html component through the web interface.


-- 
C. Michael Pilato <cm...@collab.net>
CollabNet   <>   www.collab.net   <>   Distributed Development On Demand