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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> on 2003/12/29 02:40:40 UTC
Re: EU analogy [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
> >> you haven't seen what the EU has been up to :) Talk about
> >> over-regulation...
> >
> > LOL :-) OK, so it is a bad analogy. I don't believe that either
> > Costin or
> > I live in the EU.
>
> I don't either. I live in Connecticut, USA.
>
> I was always suspicious that something was amiss trying to integrate
> proud countries with long individual histories, but it was confirmed
> the first time I had to schelp from Terminal 4 to Terminal 3 at
> Heathrow just so I could pick up the bus to Reading, which used to stop
> at all 4 terminals, but stopped going to terminal 4 because EU regs
> said the total trip was too long. The whole thing is something like an
> hour. :/
I live in the UK, so can comment ;-) The thing that I spot about the EU is
that is is often used as a scapegoat. When individual countries (or often
the media) wants to shift blame it is convenient. This comes about because
citizens of each country identify more with their own country than with the
EU. (Note: I believe that the EU does a lot of good, but it'll never be my
country)
Perhaps the parallel is that a Struts 'citizen' identifies more with the
Struts 'country' than the Jakarta 'union'. Of course one key difference is
that we don't have the individual governments at the country/Struts level.
Stephen
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Re: EU analogy [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:45:18 +0100
Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >Perhaps the parallel is that a Struts 'citizen' identifies more with the
> >Struts 'country' than the Jakarta 'union'. Of course one key difference is
> >that we don't have the individual governments at the country/Struts level.
> +100
Since i introduced "EU analogy" to this list a few days ago :),
I comment.
--
As the Name "Apache" and the "lex causae" would be highly related to
the United States, I was wondering what would fit to describe
"Apache" and "Jakarta" communities themselves, and have been casting
about in my mind for good words.
Well, there could be two styles of the OSS communities
-- American Style ("United" States) ...... (1)
-- European Style ("Union" of Nations) ... (2)
What I could perceive from the participation to this community was
the latter style. So, I used "EU analogy".
The keyword would be "Identity". Yes, I know that we can rather
describe the history of the Apache/Jakarta better by using
"United States" styled analogy, however, the strong "Identity"
of the each communities in Apache realm can be described by "EU
analogy" better, i suspect.
Please do not use the analogy in order "to dispute" forever.
Please use it in order "to strengthen the understandings of
the community and to achieve the improvement of the community".
(1) and (2) have their own "good" points. Piling up "good points"
would be one of the key factors which can keep the health
of the OSS communities.
I am not in the United states nor in Europe.
Thanks,
-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
P.S. (1) --- related to right-side cerebral cortex in brain
(2) --- related to right-side limbic system in brain
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Re: EU analogy [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
>>>>you haven't seen what the EU has been up to :) Talk about
>>>>over-regulation...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>LOL :-) OK, so it is a bad analogy. I don't believe that either
>>>Costin or
>>>I live in the EU.
>>>
>>>
>>I don't either. I live in Connecticut, USA.
>>
>>I was always suspicious that something was amiss trying to integrate
>>proud countries with long individual histories, but it was confirmed
>>the first time I had to schelp from Terminal 4 to Terminal 3 at
>>Heathrow just so I could pick up the bus to Reading, which used to stop
>>at all 4 terminals, but stopped going to terminal 4 because EU regs
>>said the total trip was too long. The whole thing is something like an
>>hour. :/
>>
>>
>
>I live in the UK, so can comment ;-) The thing that I spot about the EU is
>that is is often used as a scapegoat. When individual countries (or often
>the media) wants to shift blame it is convenient. This comes about because
>citizens of each country identify more with their own country than with the
>EU. (Note: I believe that the EU does a lot of good, but it'll never be my
>country)
>
>Perhaps the parallel is that a Struts 'citizen' identifies more with the
>Struts 'country' than the Jakarta 'union'. Of course one key difference is
>that we don't have the individual governments at the country/Struts level.
>
+100
Stephen.
>
>Stephen
>
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