Concerns about PR208 was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Zeppelin from the Incubator

[moon soo Lee <mo...@apache.org>]

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 2:37 AM Amos Elberg <am...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since subtlety has not worked, I will now be blunter.
>
> The reason PR 208 has been delayed since August is that Felix Cheung
> demanded that I credit him as a co-author even though he hadn't done
> any work.
>
> When I refused, Felix privately contacted Moon, who is his friend, and
> claimed the PR contained Felix' intellectual property.  Moon then held
> the PR at Felix' request.
>
I found out what happened after I pursued Moon to ask why the PR had
> been ignored.  When he told me what happened, I had to offer e-mail
> chains and commit logs to prove that Felix was lying.
>
> Since then, its been one bogus, junk reason for delay after another.
> For a while, this seems to be because Moon wanted to give Felix time to
> produce a competing implementation.  Except, Felix wasn't able to do
> it. I caught him trying to pass-off code he'd stolen as his own, with
> Moon (who should have known) present.
>
> When I confronted Moon he told me, basically, "don't rock our boat."
>
> If anyone has any doubt about whether what I've said is true, I have the
> email chains, the commit logs, the chat records...
>


Please don't be ridiculous.

You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge who
is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.

And you and felix both agreed on the email.

You can complain and blame someone for next 10 years,
Or you can move forward.

Up to you.



> I believe the reason PRs have been delayed is that they conflicted with
> other goals of either NFLabs, or friends of committers. Such as security
> PRs, when NFlabs offers multi-user functionality commercially and outside
> the project.
>
>
>

I work in NFLabs so i can answer.

NFLabs multi-user functionality (
https://github.com/NFLabs/z-manager/tree/master/multitenancy), NFLabs is
not selling / supporting it commercially.
I'm not sure why you think NFLabs benefit by not doing security in
Zeppelin. Actually, NFLabs business benefit a lot when Zeppelin features
security and become enterprise ready. Because of NFLabs business is based
on adoption of Zeppelin. Not a feature of Zeppelin.


Best,
moon

Re: Concerns about PR208 was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Zeppelin from the Incubator

[moon soo Lee <mo...@apache.org>]

Sure,

Let me get some fresh air and think in different point of view.

Thanks Roman for call a time out and taking care of.

Best,
moon

On 2016년 2월 6일 (토) at 오전 10:45 Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:

> Amos, Moon, Felix,
>
> I would like to call a time out on this and the other thread. All of you
> had
> a chance to state your position and I don't think we're going to approach
> the resolution any quicker if you keep sending heated emails to the public
> mailing list.
>
> Now, this is NOT an attempt to sweep things under the rug. This is me
> asking
> for a favor to give all of us here (including your mentors) some space to
> think
> about how to move forward.
>
> I can promise you that I'm going to come up with something over the weekend
> to see if a more permanent solution to this problem is possible.
>
> Can you please do me this favor and not send any emails for the next 72
> hours?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Amos B. Elberg <am...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Please don't be ridiculous.
> >> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge
> who
> >> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
> >> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.
> >
> > Actually no, that isn't what happened.
> >
> > I did agree to give Felix another chance.
> >
> > But then Moon appointed Felix to "oversee" or "manage" the PR, whatever
> that was supposed to mean. Except instead of helping, Felix tried to
> pass-off the work as his own---at a presentation where Moon participated.
> When people who saw the presentation contacted Felix to use the code, he
> either ignored them or referred them to my repo, saying it was his work.
> >
> > Moon then ignored my emails about it until he began hearing from users
> who complained why the PR, which had obtained a userbase, was ignored for
> four months.
> >
> > Then the message to me was "don't rock the boat."
> >
> > If anyone has doubts about who's telling the truth here, I have the
> email records.
> >
> >> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:07 PM, moon soo Lee <mo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please don't be ridiculous.
> >>
> >> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge
> who
> >> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
> >> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.
>

Re: Concerns about PR208 was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Zeppelin from the Incubator

[Alexander Bezzubov <bz...@apache.org>]

Guys,

if somebody could help with first issues from the list in [PR208](
https://github.com/apache/incubator-zeppelin/pull/208#issuecomment-181624753)
I'll be happy to help with CI issues over the coming weekend.

Please let me know what you guys think - we need to move on all together
and enable R in Zeppelin as users a waiting for it.

--
Alex

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Amos Elberg <am...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Roman - I'm only seeing this after the last email I sent.   I would not
> have sent it if I'd seen this.
>
> I agree to your call for a "time out."
>
> Thank you for your involvement.
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Amos, Moon, Felix,
> >
> > I would like to call a time out on this and the other thread. All of you
> > had
> > a chance to state your position and I don't think we're going to approach
> > the resolution any quicker if you keep sending heated emails to the
> public
> > mailing list.
> >
> > Now, this is NOT an attempt to sweep things under the rug. This is me
> > asking
> > for a favor to give all of us here (including your mentors) some space to
> > think
> > about how to move forward.
> >
> > I can promise you that I'm going to come up with something over the
> weekend
> > to see if a more permanent solution to this problem is possible.
> >
> > Can you please do me this favor and not send any emails for the next 72
> > hours?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Amos B. Elberg <am...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Please don't be ridiculous.
> > >> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge
> > who
> > >> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I
> made
> > >> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.
> > >
> > > Actually no, that isn't what happened.
> > >
> > > I did agree to give Felix another chance.
> > >
> > > But then Moon appointed Felix to "oversee" or "manage" the PR, whatever
> > that was supposed to mean. Except instead of helping, Felix tried to
> > pass-off the work as his own---at a presentation where Moon participated.
> > When people who saw the presentation contacted Felix to use the code, he
> > either ignored them or referred them to my repo, saying it was his work.
> > >
> > > Moon then ignored my emails about it until he began hearing from users
> > who complained why the PR, which had obtained a userbase, was ignored for
> > four months.
> > >
> > > Then the message to me was "don't rock the boat."
> > >
> > > If anyone has doubts about who's telling the truth here, I have the
> > email records.
> > >
> > >> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:07 PM, moon soo Lee <mo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Please don't be ridiculous.
> > >>
> > >> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge
> > who
> > >> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I
> made
> > >> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.
> >
>

Re: Concerns about PR208 was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Zeppelin from the Incubator

[Amos Elberg <am...@gmail.com>]

Roman - I'm only seeing this after the last email I sent.   I would not
have sent it if I'd seen this.

I agree to your call for a "time out."

Thank you for your involvement.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:

> Amos, Moon, Felix,
>
> I would like to call a time out on this and the other thread. All of you
> had
> a chance to state your position and I don't think we're going to approach
> the resolution any quicker if you keep sending heated emails to the public
> mailing list.
>
> Now, this is NOT an attempt to sweep things under the rug. This is me
> asking
> for a favor to give all of us here (including your mentors) some space to
> think
> about how to move forward.
>
> I can promise you that I'm going to come up with something over the weekend
> to see if a more permanent solution to this problem is possible.
>
> Can you please do me this favor and not send any emails for the next 72
> hours?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Amos B. Elberg <am...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Please don't be ridiculous.
> >> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge
> who
> >> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
> >> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.
> >
> > Actually no, that isn't what happened.
> >
> > I did agree to give Felix another chance.
> >
> > But then Moon appointed Felix to "oversee" or "manage" the PR, whatever
> that was supposed to mean. Except instead of helping, Felix tried to
> pass-off the work as his own---at a presentation where Moon participated.
> When people who saw the presentation contacted Felix to use the code, he
> either ignored them or referred them to my repo, saying it was his work.
> >
> > Moon then ignored my emails about it until he began hearing from users
> who complained why the PR, which had obtained a userbase, was ignored for
> four months.
> >
> > Then the message to me was "don't rock the boat."
> >
> > If anyone has doubts about who's telling the truth here, I have the
> email records.
> >
> >> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:07 PM, moon soo Lee <mo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please don't be ridiculous.
> >>
> >> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge
> who
> >> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
> >> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.
>

Re: Concerns about PR208 was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Zeppelin from the Incubator

[Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>]

Amos, Moon, Felix,

I would like to call a time out on this and the other thread. All of you had
a chance to state your position and I don't think we're going to approach
the resolution any quicker if you keep sending heated emails to the public
mailing list.

Now, this is NOT an attempt to sweep things under the rug. This is me asking
for a favor to give all of us here (including your mentors) some space to think
about how to move forward.

I can promise you that I'm going to come up with something over the weekend
to see if a more permanent solution to this problem is possible.

Can you please do me this favor and not send any emails for the next 72 hours?

Thanks,
Roman.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Amos B. Elberg <am...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please don't be ridiculous.
>> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge who
>> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
>> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.
>
> Actually no, that isn't what happened.
>
> I did agree to give Felix another chance.
>
> But then Moon appointed Felix to "oversee" or "manage" the PR, whatever that was supposed to mean. Except instead of helping, Felix tried to pass-off the work as his own---at a presentation where Moon participated. When people who saw the presentation contacted Felix to use the code, he either ignored them or referred them to my repo, saying it was his work.
>
> Moon then ignored my emails about it until he began hearing from users who complained why the PR, which had obtained a userbase, was ignored for four months.
>
> Then the message to me was "don't rock the boat."
>
> If anyone has doubts about who's telling the truth here, I have the email records.
>
>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:07 PM, moon soo Lee <mo...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Please don't be ridiculous.
>>
>> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge who
>> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
>> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.

Re: Concerns about PR208 was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Zeppelin from the Incubator

["Amos B. Elberg" <am...@gmail.com>]

> Please don't be ridiculous.
> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge who
> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.

Actually no, that isn't what happened. 

I did agree to give Felix another chance. 

But then Moon appointed Felix to "oversee" or "manage" the PR, whatever that was supposed to mean. Except instead of helping, Felix tried to pass-off the work as his own---at a presentation where Moon participated. When people who saw the presentation contacted Felix to use the code, he either ignored them or referred them to my repo, saying it was his work.

Moon then ignored my emails about it until he began hearing from users who complained why the PR, which had obtained a userbase, was ignored for four months.

Then the message to me was "don't rock the boat."

If anyone has doubts about who's telling the truth here, I have the email records.

> On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:07 PM, moon soo Lee <mo...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Please don't be ridiculous.
> 
> You also emailed me privately at that time and I said i can not judge who
> is laying, because of i'm not a judge and not capable of. Instead I made
> you and Felix say sorry and thanks each other and move forward.