wikis

[Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com>]

There seem to be (at least) 2 wiki systems in use at Apache.

One is based on moin-moin (python), and is for instance, found at 
wiki.apache.org/incubator-yoko

Another one is based on confluence's wiki, and is found for instance, at 
cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/

The cwiki may have additional capabilities.  For instance, some groups 
are using it to do collaborative authoring of documents.  For this, a 
permissions / login restriction is needed to insure contributors have 
done ICLAs.

See: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CWIKI/Index

The cwiki's wiki's are autoexported to plain html, whenever edits occur,
so that high-volume serving can be done. This export facility can be 
used for a projects "web-site" as well; some projects are using it that 
way.  It appears that the Geranimo project started down that path but is 
not currently using a wiki for their web-site maintenance (they're using 
XDOC / Anakia).

One other thing I've noticed is that with the confluence wiki it's 
possible to have comments on each page, and (optionally) show them. This 
might be interesting for building up community.  It might also be 
available with the moin-moin version.

We're working on setting up the UIMA project, and I'd be interested in 
hearing opinions from the community about the pros/cons of the different 
approaches (perhaps there even are others in use at Apache?).

-Marshall



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Re: wikis

[Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>]

On 11/6/06, Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com> wrote:
> We're working on setting up the UIMA project, and I'd be interested in
> hearing opinions from the community about the pros/cons of the different
> approaches (perhaps there even are others in use at Apache?).

Thanks for the post Marshall. I've added another FAQ, based on your
post, and also included more information as to how Confluence is
backed up and who is administrating it now.

* http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/

-Ted.

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Re: wikis

[Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>]

I think it comes down to what a wiki means to your community. The
classic sense is as a very random user-inclusive system for bits of
info. The other is as a much more structured system, possibly for
document management.

Your description below should go on the Incubator site or wiki - very
good summary.

Hen

On 11/6/06, Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com> wrote:
> There seem to be (at least) 2 wiki systems in use at Apache.
>
> One is based on moin-moin (python), and is for instance, found at
> wiki.apache.org/incubator-yoko
>
> Another one is based on confluence's wiki, and is found for instance, at
> cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/
>
> The cwiki may have additional capabilities.  For instance, some groups
> are using it to do collaborative authoring of documents.  For this, a
> permissions / login restriction is needed to insure contributors have
> done ICLAs.
>
> See: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CWIKI/Index
>
> The cwiki's wiki's are autoexported to plain html, whenever edits occur,
> so that high-volume serving can be done. This export facility can be
> used for a projects "web-site" as well; some projects are using it that
> way.  It appears that the Geranimo project started down that path but is
> not currently using a wiki for their web-site maintenance (they're using
> XDOC / Anakia).
>
> One other thing I've noticed is that with the confluence wiki it's
> possible to have comments on each page, and (optionally) show them. This
> might be interesting for building up community.  It might also be
> available with the moin-moin version.
>
> We're working on setting up the UIMA project, and I'd be interested in
> hearing opinions from the community about the pros/cons of the different
> approaches (perhaps there even are others in use at Apache?).
>
> -Marshall
>
>
>
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Re: wikis

[Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>]

Mike Kienenberger wrote:
> On 11/6/06, Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com> wrote:
>> There seem to be (at least) 2 wiki systems in use at Apache.
>>
>> One is based on moin-moin (python), and is for instance, found at
>> wiki.apache.org/incubator-yoko
>>
>> Another one is based on confluence's wiki, and is found for instance, at
>> cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/
> 
> My understanding from following the infrastructure and
> general-incubator mailing lists over the last year is that moin-moin
> is the only approved wiki system.   The only approved use for
> confluence is to write and generate documentation, and that it is not
> open for public access.   There have been technical arguments against
> using Confluence as a general wiki, but since those messages were
> posted to the non-public infrastructure mailing list, you'll have to
> re-ask your question there to find them out.

The principal arguments against Confluence were to do with handling 
load. However, the autoexport plugin has worked around this, so there is 
no general objection to using Confluence as a wiki, although there is a 
general awareness that it can be used either as a document editing 
system, or as a public wiki.

Regards, Upayavira



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Re: wikis

[Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>]

On 11/6/06, Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com> wrote:
> There seem to be (at least) 2 wiki systems in use at Apache.
>
> One is based on moin-moin (python), and is for instance, found at
> wiki.apache.org/incubator-yoko
>
> Another one is based on confluence's wiki, and is found for instance, at
> cwiki.apache.org/geronimo/

My understanding from following the infrastructure and
general-incubator mailing lists over the last year is that moin-moin
is the only approved wiki system.   The only approved use for
confluence is to write and generate documentation, and that it is not
open for public access.   There have been technical arguments against
using Confluence as a general wiki, but since those messages were
posted to the non-public infrastructure mailing list, you'll have to
re-ask your question there to find them out.

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