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preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Since "you can't always have what you want"..

Is there any PHP framework out there which comes even close to Wicket;
component based, strict separation between HTML and programming,
stateful, out-of-the-box Ajax support, event handling, URL mapping,
excellent testing features, and great community support?


regards
Antoine

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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by shetc <sh...@bellsouth.net>.
I don't think you are going to get all that from a PHP-based framework.
I have used CakePHP, which is sorta Rails-like, for production projects.
It's pretty nifty and has good community support.

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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Antoine van Wel <an...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Frank van Lankvelt
<f....@onehippo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Antoine van Wel <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Since "you can't always have what you want"..
>>
>> Is there any PHP framework out there which comes even close to Wicket;
>> component based, strict separation between HTML and programming,
>> stateful, out-of-the-box Ajax support, event handling, URL mapping,
>> excellent testing features, and great community support?
>>
>>
> it would probably have turned up in your google search if it existed ;-)
> A prototype is easy to make though; you should get a lot of benefits already
> from adopting the wicket session mgmt, component & rendering model to php.
>  In fact, I built something like this for fun some time ago.  No ajax, url
> mapping, models, other fancy stuff.  But event handling and markup/code
> separation is pretty easy to accomplish.
> You'ld probably want to use smarty for the rendering though.  It doesn't
> make a lot of sense to parse html on each request and smarty probably has
> the best tooling for php templating.
> cheers, Frank


Thanks all for your answers and ideas.

Let me summarize by: nothing comes close to Wicket in the PHP world,
except for some individual features. Perhaps in other languages
there's something better, but not in PHP. Excellent :)


Antoine

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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Frank van Lankvelt <f....@onehippo.com>.
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Antoine van Wel
<an...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Since "you can't always have what you want"..
>
> Is there any PHP framework out there which comes even close to Wicket;
> component based, strict separation between HTML and programming,
> stateful, out-of-the-box Ajax support, event handling, URL mapping,
> excellent testing features, and great community support?
>
>
> it would probably have turned up in your google search if it existed ;-)

A prototype is easy to make though; you should get a lot of benefits already
from adopting the wicket session mgmt, component & rendering model to php.
 In fact, I built something like this for fun some time ago.  No ajax, url
mapping, models, other fancy stuff.  But event handling and markup/code
separation is pretty easy to accomplish.

You'ld probably want to use smarty for the rendering though.  It doesn't
make a lot of sense to parse html on each request and smarty probably has
the best tooling for php templating.

cheers, Frank



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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
2011/3/8 Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>:
> I dont know of any. If you prefer scripting languages, there is a
> scala+wicket integration. Just google it if you are interested.

I would not call scala a scripting language. It is a statically typed,
compiled JVM language. It's a scripting language in the same sense
Java is a scripting language.

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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> Sadly reality is that PHP is more widely adopted. Apache comes almost
> by default with PHP. So I was wondering, does anything come close to
> Wicket, to ease the pain.. Or to have a stronger case for Wicket in
> discussions.

Do you know Zeta Components which entered the apache incubator for a while?
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/zetacomponents.html
They have some MVC stuff inside. Thsi is mostly used in PHP world
(unfortunately)

An other approach is piwi:
http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/piwi/
I am involved in this project, so this i my first choice. But you
should know that it's in an early state. Helping hands welcome.

Anything like Wicket in PHP world is unknown to me. I am not sure if
it makes sense tough

Cheers
Christian

>
> So Scala is not an option either... it's on my wish-list to learn
> though. I'm aware of the Scala/Wicket integration.
>
>
> Antoine
>
>
> 2011/3/8 Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>:
>> I dont know of any. If you prefer scripting languages, there is a
>> scala+wicket integration. Just google it if you are interested.
>>
>> Josh.
>>
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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Antoine van Wel <an...@gmail.com>.
Now wait a moment, let me be very clear that I prefer Wicket .. I
don't want misunderstandings about that ;-)

Sadly reality is that PHP is more widely adopted. Apache comes almost
by default with PHP. So I was wondering, does anything come close to
Wicket, to ease the pain.. Or to have a stronger case for Wicket in
discussions.

So Scala is not an option either... it's on my wish-list to learn
though. I'm aware of the Scala/Wicket integration.


Antoine


2011/3/8 Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>:
> I dont know of any. If you prefer scripting languages, there is a
> scala+wicket integration. Just google it if you are interested.
>
> Josh.
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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>.
I dont know of any. If you prefer scripting languages, there is a
scala+wicket integration. Just google it if you are interested.

Josh.

Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Robert Dahlström <ro...@ongame.com>.
+1 for Symfony, probably as good as you can get for PHP. But no, it 
won't work like wicket. Afaik there are no stateful PHP frameworks out 
there (but I could be wrong).

/Robert

On 03/08/2011 01:30 PM, Martin Makundi wrote:
> Sorry..not close but far...maybe I meant keep enemies closer ;)
>
> **
> Martin
>
> 2011/3/8 Martin Makundi<ma...@koodaripalvelut.com>:
>> Hmm.. I would personally stay as close as possible from non statically
>> typed languages ;)
>>
>> Ofcourse it depends on what you are making, if it is worth making and
>> so forth ;)
>>
>> **
>> Martin
>>
>> 2011/3/8 Antoine van Wel<an...@gmail.com>:
>>> Since "you can't always have what you want"..
>>>
>>> Is there any PHP framework out there which comes even close to Wicket;
>>> component based, strict separation between HTML and programming,
>>> stateful, out-of-the-box Ajax support, event handling, URL mapping,
>>> excellent testing features, and great community support?
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Antoine
>>>
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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Martin Makundi <ma...@koodaripalvelut.com>.
Sorry..not close but far...maybe I meant keep enemies closer ;)

**
Martin

2011/3/8 Martin Makundi <ma...@koodaripalvelut.com>:
> Hmm.. I would personally stay as close as possible from non statically
> typed languages ;)
>
> Ofcourse it depends on what you are making, if it is worth making and
> so forth ;)
>
> **
> Martin
>
> 2011/3/8 Antoine van Wel <an...@gmail.com>:
>> Since "you can't always have what you want"..
>>
>> Is there any PHP framework out there which comes even close to Wicket;
>> component based, strict separation between HTML and programming,
>> stateful, out-of-the-box Ajax support, event handling, URL mapping,
>> excellent testing features, and great community support?
>>
>>
>> regards
>> Antoine
>>
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Re: preferred php framework by wicketeers...

Posted by Martin Makundi <ma...@koodaripalvelut.com>.
Hmm.. I would personally stay as close as possible from non statically
typed languages ;)

Ofcourse it depends on what you are making, if it is worth making and
so forth ;)

**
Martin

2011/3/8 Antoine van Wel <an...@gmail.com>:
> Since "you can't always have what you want"..
>
> Is there any PHP framework out there which comes even close to Wicket;
> component based, strict separation between HTML and programming,
> stateful, out-of-the-box Ajax support, event handling, URL mapping,
> excellent testing features, and great community support?
>
>
> regards
> Antoine
>
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