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[ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Hello!
There is a contribution to add the novell netware filesystem to VFS -
currently the license for the used novell library (njclv2.jar) is not
know. And I cant find something on their website.
Now the question is: If we contact novell to ask them if they allow us
to put the library e.g. on ibiblio (or maybe non-public somewhere else)
to make it available to the build-process is such a grant sufficient for
ASF?
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Re: [ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
>Definitely not going to be sufficient if you imagine that it's a GPL
>license.
>
>
...
>So first step is, ask them what the licence is. Then we'll figure out
>what to do from there.
>
>
Thanks for the answer - this is what the contributor currently tries to do.
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Re: [ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Hello!
>Do you have a url for the project at Novell that supplies the
>njclv2.jar? I need to pass something on to the legal team.
>
The library can be downloaded at http://developer.novell.com/ndk/njclc.htm
Thanks for taking the time to dig into the license stuff.
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Re: [ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Hey Mario,
With the odd wording of the Novell licence, it looks like we might
have to get permission on a case by case basis to make sure the
library isn't early-access etc.
Do you have a url for the project at Novell that supplies the
njclv2.jar? I need to pass something on to the legal team.
Thanks,
Hen
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:29:02 -0500, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My head hurts, reading this stuff is evil :)
>
> Very little of the license applies directly to whether we're allowed
> to use it; basically seems:
>
> If it's an "Early Access Product", then no, we can't use it.
> If it's a "Developer Product", then yes we can import it, distribute
> it inside a larger product, but cannot have their product in CVS,
> iBiblio etc. So exactly the same as Sun's, though the Early Access bit
> is something to watch out for.
>
> The rest is mostly the same as Sun's. Lots of corporate garbage etc.
> Let's go ahead and treat it the same as javamail if and only if it's a
> "Developer Product", and I'll let the board/licensing know that we're
> treating it as such and to let us know if this is bad.
>
> Hen
>
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:07:59 -0500, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just from his comment it sounds much like the Sun JavaMail licence
> > that gives us such pain. So no to CVS or iBiblio, but yes to imports.
> > I'll give it a read later today.
> >
> > Hen
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:47:21 +0100, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> > > Henri Yandell wrote:
> > >
> > > >So first step is, ask them what the licence is. Then we'll figure out
> > > >what to do from there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > This is what we got from Novell. If one could review this NDK License it
> > > would be nice.
> > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > > If the library is bundled with the application, then there is
> > > > not a problem. But if the library would be an independent download,
> > > > then the end users will have to download it directly from Novell's
> > > > website. For more detatils see:
> > > > http://developer.novell.com/ndk/license.htm (which you problably
> > > > already did, but I don't blame, since all legal software matters is
> > > > always confusing to everybody).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Moises Morales
> > > > Novell Developer Services.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > ---
> > >
> > >
> > > Mario
> > >
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Re: [ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
My head hurts, reading this stuff is evil :)
Very little of the license applies directly to whether we're allowed
to use it; basically seems:
If it's an "Early Access Product", then no, we can't use it.
If it's a "Developer Product", then yes we can import it, distribute
it inside a larger product, but cannot have their product in CVS,
iBiblio etc. So exactly the same as Sun's, though the Early Access bit
is something to watch out for.
The rest is mostly the same as Sun's. Lots of corporate garbage etc.
Let's go ahead and treat it the same as javamail if and only if it's a
"Developer Product", and I'll let the board/licensing know that we're
treating it as such and to let us know if this is bad.
Hen
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:07:59 -0500, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just from his comment it sounds much like the Sun JavaMail licence
> that gives us such pain. So no to CVS or iBiblio, but yes to imports.
> I'll give it a read later today.
>
> Hen
>
>
>
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:47:21 +0100, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> > Henri Yandell wrote:
> >
> > >So first step is, ask them what the licence is. Then we'll figure out
> > >what to do from there.
> > >
> > >
> > This is what we got from Novell. If one could review this NDK License it
> > would be nice.
> >
> > > Hi there,
> > > If the library is bundled with the application, then there is
> > > not a problem. But if the library would be an independent download,
> > > then the end users will have to download it directly from Novell's
> > > website. For more detatils see:
> > > http://developer.novell.com/ndk/license.htm (which you problably
> > > already did, but I don't blame, since all legal software matters is
> > > always confusing to everybody).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Moises Morales
> > > Novell Developer Services.
> > >
> > >
> > Thanks!
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Mario
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Just from his comment it sounds much like the Sun JavaMail licence
that gives us such pain. So no to CVS or iBiblio, but yes to imports.
I'll give it a read later today.
Hen
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:47:21 +0100, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> >So first step is, ask them what the licence is. Then we'll figure out
> >what to do from there.
> >
> >
> This is what we got from Novell. If one could review this NDK License it
> would be nice.
>
> > Hi there,
> > If the library is bundled with the application, then there is
> > not a problem. But if the library would be an independent download,
> > then the end users will have to download it directly from Novell's
> > website. For more detatils see:
> > http://developer.novell.com/ndk/license.htm (which you problably
> > already did, but I don't blame, since all legal software matters is
> > always confusing to everybody).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moises Morales
> > Novell Developer Services.
> >
> >
> Thanks!
> ---
>
>
> Mario
>
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Re: [ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
>So first step is, ask them what the licence is. Then we'll figure out
>what to do from there.
>
>
This is what we got from Novell. If one could review this NDK License it
would be nice.
> Hi there,
> If the library is bundled with the application, then there is
> not a problem. But if the library would be an independent download,
> then the end users will have to download it directly from Novell's
> website. For more detatils see:
> http://developer.novell.com/ndk/license.htm (which you problably
> already did, but I don't blame, since all legal software matters is
> always confusing to everybody).
>
> Regards,
>
> Moises Morales
> Novell Developer Services.
>
>
Thanks!
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Re: [ALL][VFS] Third party java library.
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Definitely not going to be sufficient if you imagine that it's a GPL
license. Even with the author's permission to have it on iBiblio, we'd
still not be able to import it into our code.
So finding out the licence is going to be essential. Given Novell's
aquisitions, I imagine they'd be pretty open licence-wise, but it
could be GPL or have viral attachments of some kind that we'd be
passing on to our users.
So first step is, ask them what the licence is. Then we'll figure out
what to do from there.
Hen
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:56:37 +0100, Mario Ivankovits <im...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> There is a contribution to add the novell netware filesystem to VFS -
> currently the license for the used novell library (njclv2.jar) is not
> know. And I cant find something on their website.
> Now the question is: If we contact novell to ask them if they allow us
> to put the library e.g. on ibiblio (or maybe non-public somewhere else)
> to make it available to the build-process is such a grant sufficient for
> ASF?
>
> --
> Mario
>
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