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[DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Hi everybody,
Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for newcomers
to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
newcomers.
This proposal makes total sense to me.
What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
Benjamin
Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Brandon Williams <dr...@gmail.com>.
I think that's a great idea.
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for newcomers
> to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
> followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> newcomers.
> This proposal makes total sense to me.
>
> What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
>
> Benjamin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Joshua McKenzie <jm...@apache.org>.
>
> not because there's 600 pair of eyes watching
> this (TBH, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it)
oof; that wasn't my intent at all! :)
I think a clearly written and easy to find community
> guideline highlighting that this mailing list is suitable for beginner
> questions, and give some suggestions/recommendations
So maybe fleshing out the "How to Contribute" section of the website a bit
here: https://cassandra.apache.org/_/community.html#how-to-contribute?
Could maybe also link to the JIRA filters for test failures and starter
tickets for an appropriate workload to get started with.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:16 AM Sumanth Pasupuleti <
sumanth.pasupuleti.is@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 that existing channels of communication (cassandra-dev slack and mailing
> lists) should ideally suffice, and I have not seen prohibitive
> communication in those forums thus far that goes against newcomers. I agree
> it can be intimidating, but to Bowen's point, the more traffic we see
> around newcomers in those forums, the more comfortable it gets.
> I agree starting a new channel is a low effort experiment we can do, but
> the success depends on finding mentors and the engagement of mentors vs I
> believe engagement in #cassandra-dev is almost guaranteed given the high
> number of people in the channel.
>
> Thanks,
> Sumanth
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 6:47 AM Bowen Song <bo...@bso.ng.invalid> wrote:
>
> > As a newcomer (made two commits since October) who has been watching
> > this mailing list since then, I don't like the idea of a separate
> > channel for beginner questions. The volume in this mailing list is
> > fairly low, I can't see any legitimate reason for diverting a portion of
> > that into another channel, further reducing the volume in the existing
> > channel and perhaps not creating much volume in the new channel either.
> >
> > Personally, I think a clearly written and easy to find community
> > guideline highlighting that this mailing list is suitable for beginner
> > questions, and give some suggestions/recommendations on when, where and
> > how to ask beginner questions would be more useful.
> >
> > At the moment because the volume of beginner questions is very very low
> > in this mailing list, newcomers like me don't feel comfortable asking
> > questions here. That's not because there's 600 pair of eyes watching
> > this (TBH, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it), but
> > because the herd mentality. If not many questions are asked here, most
> > people won't start doing that. It's all about creating the environment
> > that makes people feel comfortable asking questions here.
> >
> > On 08/11/2021 16:28, Benjamin Lerer wrote:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> > newcomers
> > > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over
> 600
> > > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > > newcomers.
> > > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> > >
> > > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> > >
> > > Benjamin
> > >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Henrik Ingo <he...@datastax.com>.
Btw, it would be possible to have a welcome-bot on Slack. It would
recognize new users joining the channel, and send them some friendly
message. Part of the message could be the list of friendly volunteers
available to help newcomers.
On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:57 PM Benjamin Lerer <b....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks a lot everybody for the feedback.
>
> It sounds that most of you are not convinced by the slack channel but
> believe that a list of newcomer mentors will be more efficient.
> That sounds like a good approach to me.
>
> I will start a new discussion to collect the list of volunteers.
>
> Le mar. 9 nov. 2021 à 17:12, Joseph Lynch <jo...@gmail.com> a écrit
> :
>
> > I also feel that having all the resources to get help in more or less
> > one place (#cassandra-dev slack / ML) probably helps newcomers on the
> > whole since they can ask questions and likely engage with someone who
> > can help. I know that I've asked a few silly questions in
> > #cassandra-dev and appreciated that there were more experienced
> > project members to help answer them.
> >
> > If we wanted to have a set of designated "newcomer mentors" or some
> > such that seems useful in addition. Perhaps their email/handles on the
> > website in the contributing section with an encouragement to ask them
> > first if you're unsure who to ask?
> >
> > -Joey
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:16 AM Sumanth Pasupuleti
> > <su...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 that existing channels of communication (cassandra-dev slack and
> > mailing
> > > lists) should ideally suffice, and I have not seen prohibitive
> > > communication in those forums thus far that goes against newcomers. I
> > agree
> > > it can be intimidating, but to Bowen's point, the more traffic we see
> > > around newcomers in those forums, the more comfortable it gets.
> > > I agree starting a new channel is a low effort experiment we can do,
> but
> > > the success depends on finding mentors and the engagement of mentors
> vs I
> > > believe engagement in #cassandra-dev is almost guaranteed given the
> high
> > > number of people in the channel.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Sumanth
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 6:47 AM Bowen Song <bo...@bso.ng.invalid>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a newcomer (made two commits since October) who has been watching
> > > > this mailing list since then, I don't like the idea of a separate
> > > > channel for beginner questions. The volume in this mailing list is
> > > > fairly low, I can't see any legitimate reason for diverting a portion
> > of
> > > > that into another channel, further reducing the volume in the
> existing
> > > > channel and perhaps not creating much volume in the new channel
> either.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I think a clearly written and easy to find community
> > > > guideline highlighting that this mailing list is suitable for
> beginner
> > > > questions, and give some suggestions/recommendations on when, where
> and
> > > > how to ask beginner questions would be more useful.
> > > >
> > > > At the moment because the volume of beginner questions is very very
> low
> > > > in this mailing list, newcomers like me don't feel comfortable asking
> > > > questions here. That's not because there's 600 pair of eyes watching
> > > > this (TBH, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it), but
> > > > because the herd mentality. If not many questions are asked here,
> most
> > > > people won't start doing that. It's all about creating the
> environment
> > > > that makes people feel comfortable asking questions here.
> > > >
> > > > On 08/11/2021 16:28, Benjamin Lerer wrote:
> > > > > Hi everybody,
> > > > >
> > > > > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> > > > newcomers
> > > > > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has
> > over 600
> > > > > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > > > > newcomers.
> > > > > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Benjamin
> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Benjamin Lerer <b....@gmail.com>.
Thanks a lot everybody for the feedback.
It sounds that most of you are not convinced by the slack channel but
believe that a list of newcomer mentors will be more efficient.
That sounds like a good approach to me.
I will start a new discussion to collect the list of volunteers.
Le mar. 9 nov. 2021 à 17:12, Joseph Lynch <jo...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> I also feel that having all the resources to get help in more or less
> one place (#cassandra-dev slack / ML) probably helps newcomers on the
> whole since they can ask questions and likely engage with someone who
> can help. I know that I've asked a few silly questions in
> #cassandra-dev and appreciated that there were more experienced
> project members to help answer them.
>
> If we wanted to have a set of designated "newcomer mentors" or some
> such that seems useful in addition. Perhaps their email/handles on the
> website in the contributing section with an encouragement to ask them
> first if you're unsure who to ask?
>
> -Joey
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:16 AM Sumanth Pasupuleti
> <su...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 that existing channels of communication (cassandra-dev slack and
> mailing
> > lists) should ideally suffice, and I have not seen prohibitive
> > communication in those forums thus far that goes against newcomers. I
> agree
> > it can be intimidating, but to Bowen's point, the more traffic we see
> > around newcomers in those forums, the more comfortable it gets.
> > I agree starting a new channel is a low effort experiment we can do, but
> > the success depends on finding mentors and the engagement of mentors vs I
> > believe engagement in #cassandra-dev is almost guaranteed given the high
> > number of people in the channel.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sumanth
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 6:47 AM Bowen Song <bo...@bso.ng.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > As a newcomer (made two commits since October) who has been watching
> > > this mailing list since then, I don't like the idea of a separate
> > > channel for beginner questions. The volume in this mailing list is
> > > fairly low, I can't see any legitimate reason for diverting a portion
> of
> > > that into another channel, further reducing the volume in the existing
> > > channel and perhaps not creating much volume in the new channel either.
> > >
> > > Personally, I think a clearly written and easy to find community
> > > guideline highlighting that this mailing list is suitable for beginner
> > > questions, and give some suggestions/recommendations on when, where and
> > > how to ask beginner questions would be more useful.
> > >
> > > At the moment because the volume of beginner questions is very very low
> > > in this mailing list, newcomers like me don't feel comfortable asking
> > > questions here. That's not because there's 600 pair of eyes watching
> > > this (TBH, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it), but
> > > because the herd mentality. If not many questions are asked here, most
> > > people won't start doing that. It's all about creating the environment
> > > that makes people feel comfortable asking questions here.
> > >
> > > On 08/11/2021 16:28, Benjamin Lerer wrote:
> > > > Hi everybody,
> > > >
> > > > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> > > newcomers
> > > > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has
> over 600
> > > > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > > > newcomers.
> > > > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> > > >
> > > > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> > > >
> > > > Benjamin
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Joseph Lynch <jo...@gmail.com>.
I also feel that having all the resources to get help in more or less
one place (#cassandra-dev slack / ML) probably helps newcomers on the
whole since they can ask questions and likely engage with someone who
can help. I know that I've asked a few silly questions in
#cassandra-dev and appreciated that there were more experienced
project members to help answer them.
If we wanted to have a set of designated "newcomer mentors" or some
such that seems useful in addition. Perhaps their email/handles on the
website in the contributing section with an encouragement to ask them
first if you're unsure who to ask?
-Joey
On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:16 AM Sumanth Pasupuleti
<su...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 that existing channels of communication (cassandra-dev slack and mailing
> lists) should ideally suffice, and I have not seen prohibitive
> communication in those forums thus far that goes against newcomers. I agree
> it can be intimidating, but to Bowen's point, the more traffic we see
> around newcomers in those forums, the more comfortable it gets.
> I agree starting a new channel is a low effort experiment we can do, but
> the success depends on finding mentors and the engagement of mentors vs I
> believe engagement in #cassandra-dev is almost guaranteed given the high
> number of people in the channel.
>
> Thanks,
> Sumanth
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 6:47 AM Bowen Song <bo...@bso.ng.invalid> wrote:
>
> > As a newcomer (made two commits since October) who has been watching
> > this mailing list since then, I don't like the idea of a separate
> > channel for beginner questions. The volume in this mailing list is
> > fairly low, I can't see any legitimate reason for diverting a portion of
> > that into another channel, further reducing the volume in the existing
> > channel and perhaps not creating much volume in the new channel either.
> >
> > Personally, I think a clearly written and easy to find community
> > guideline highlighting that this mailing list is suitable for beginner
> > questions, and give some suggestions/recommendations on when, where and
> > how to ask beginner questions would be more useful.
> >
> > At the moment because the volume of beginner questions is very very low
> > in this mailing list, newcomers like me don't feel comfortable asking
> > questions here. That's not because there's 600 pair of eyes watching
> > this (TBH, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it), but
> > because the herd mentality. If not many questions are asked here, most
> > people won't start doing that. It's all about creating the environment
> > that makes people feel comfortable asking questions here.
> >
> > On 08/11/2021 16:28, Benjamin Lerer wrote:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> > newcomers
> > > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
> > > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > > newcomers.
> > > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> > >
> > > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> > >
> > > Benjamin
> > >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Sumanth Pasupuleti <su...@gmail.com>.
+1 that existing channels of communication (cassandra-dev slack and mailing
lists) should ideally suffice, and I have not seen prohibitive
communication in those forums thus far that goes against newcomers. I agree
it can be intimidating, but to Bowen's point, the more traffic we see
around newcomers in those forums, the more comfortable it gets.
I agree starting a new channel is a low effort experiment we can do, but
the success depends on finding mentors and the engagement of mentors vs I
believe engagement in #cassandra-dev is almost guaranteed given the high
number of people in the channel.
Thanks,
Sumanth
On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 6:47 AM Bowen Song <bo...@bso.ng.invalid> wrote:
> As a newcomer (made two commits since October) who has been watching
> this mailing list since then, I don't like the idea of a separate
> channel for beginner questions. The volume in this mailing list is
> fairly low, I can't see any legitimate reason for diverting a portion of
> that into another channel, further reducing the volume in the existing
> channel and perhaps not creating much volume in the new channel either.
>
> Personally, I think a clearly written and easy to find community
> guideline highlighting that this mailing list is suitable for beginner
> questions, and give some suggestions/recommendations on when, where and
> how to ask beginner questions would be more useful.
>
> At the moment because the volume of beginner questions is very very low
> in this mailing list, newcomers like me don't feel comfortable asking
> questions here. That's not because there's 600 pair of eyes watching
> this (TBH, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it), but
> because the herd mentality. If not many questions are asked here, most
> people won't start doing that. It's all about creating the environment
> that makes people feel comfortable asking questions here.
>
> On 08/11/2021 16:28, Benjamin Lerer wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> newcomers
> > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
> > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > newcomers.
> > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> >
> > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> >
> > Benjamin
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Bowen Song <bo...@bso.ng.INVALID>.
As a newcomer (made two commits since October) who has been watching
this mailing list since then, I don't like the idea of a separate
channel for beginner questions. The volume in this mailing list is
fairly low, I can't see any legitimate reason for diverting a portion of
that into another channel, further reducing the volume in the existing
channel and perhaps not creating much volume in the new channel either.
Personally, I think a clearly written and easy to find community
guideline highlighting that this mailing list is suitable for beginner
questions, and give some suggestions/recommendations on when, where and
how to ask beginner questions would be more useful.
At the moment because the volume of beginner questions is very very low
in this mailing list, newcomers like me don't feel comfortable asking
questions here. That's not because there's 600 pair of eyes watching
this (TBH, if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed it), but
because the herd mentality. If not many questions are asked here, most
people won't start doing that. It's all about creating the environment
that makes people feel comfortable asking questions here.
On 08/11/2021 16:28, Benjamin Lerer wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for newcomers
> to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
> followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> newcomers.
> This proposal makes total sense to me.
>
> What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
>
> Benjamin
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Dinesh Joshi <dj...@icloud.com.INVALID>.
> On Nov 8, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Matt Kennedy <ma...@datastax.com> wrote:
>
> welcome
> the addition of a dev slack channel as a much more approachable forum in
> which to ask stupid questions. This mailing least seems focused on
Instead why don't we make cassandra-dev more approachable for new developers? If newcomers or boomerangs are afraid to ask stupid questions or feel intimidated, it is better to actually work on making cassandra-dev a friendlier channel and mailing list.
Being approachable and welcoming is not a function of a particular channel or mailing list. It is a function of the community. If the same 600 people (or a subset) are hanging out in a different channel, people will not have a different experience.
cassandra-dev has low enough volume that newbie questions can be accommodated.
Dinesh
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Benjamin Lerer <b....@gmail.com>.
>
> New developers or new users?
>
It is for New contributors that are working on their first patches. The
idea is to create a safe space in which they could ask beginner questions
about the code.
Le lun. 8 nov. 2021 à 17:44, Matt Kennedy <ma...@datastax.com> a
écrit :
> As an old timer trying to figure out for himself how to re-engage on the
> community side after being focused on Astra for so long, I would welcome
> the addition of a dev slack channel as a much more approachable forum in
> which to ask stupid questions. This mailing least seems focused on the
> business of running the project.
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:39 AM Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
> > channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and
> it'll
> > have the same problem).
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> > newcomers
> > > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over
> 600
> > > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > > newcomers.
> > > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> > >
> > > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> > >
> > > Benjamin
> > >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Matt Kennedy <ma...@datastax.com>.
As an old timer trying to figure out for himself how to re-engage on the
community side after being focused on Astra for so long, I would welcome
the addition of a dev slack channel as a much more approachable forum in
which to ask stupid questions. This mailing least seems focused on the
business of running the project.
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:39 AM Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
> channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and it'll
> have the same problem).
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> newcomers
> > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
> > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > newcomers.
> > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> >
> > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> >
> > Benjamin
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Berenguer Blasi <be...@gmail.com>.
+1 to a new channel, imo it will give that safe space to newcomers. Also
happy to be flagged as a mentor, helper, contact point or whatever to
the newcomers.
On 8/11/21 21:10, Joshua McKenzie wrote:
> Asking questions in front of 600 people (even virtually) can be
> prohibitively hard for a lot of people. I'm with Ekaterina; flagging
> certain people in the channel as "available to mentor" so new contributors
> would know who they could reach out to 1:1 to get situated and potentially
> build some confidence would probably help.
>
> That said, a new channel is low friction and a worthy experiment too.
> I'm +1 to trying it out.
>
> ~Josh
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:02 PM David Capwell <dc...@apple.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>> Do newcomers feel confident enough to ask questions there?
>> We get a few a quarter, guess the bigger question is “why do we not get
>> more”? I don’t have issues following another channel, glad to help where I
>> can. Another channel is low effort so I don’t have any issues trying to
>> see if it helps.
>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Benjamin Lerer <b....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> cassandra-dev has low enough volume that newbie questions can be
>>>> accommodated.
>>>>
>>> I agree that we could deal with newbie questions on the cassandra-dev
>>> channel. The question for me is more: Do newcomers feel confident enough
>> to
>>> ask questions there?
>>>
>>> Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
>>>> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
>>>> comfortable with channels?
>>>>
>>> The main problem that we have with mentors currently is that it can be
>>> difficult for newcomers to find people that can help them as mentors. We
>>> would need to find a way to communicate that clearly. In my mind the new
>>> channel could have been used also for that.
>>>
>>> I do not know if a channel would help. The idea makes sense to me but I
>>> would have loved to have some confirmation from people that are
>> interested
>>> in contributing or that are newcomers working on their first patches.
>>>
>>> Le lun. 8 nov. 2021 à 17:55, Ekaterina Dimitrova <e....@gmail.com>
>> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
>>>> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
>>>> comfortable with channels?
>>>> They can also be per specific area or something like that?
>>>>
>>>> I also feel that not many people will use another public channel,
>>>> especially someone shy in very early career.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 11:39, Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
>>>>> channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and
>>>> it'll
>>>>> have the same problem).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
>>>>> newcomers
>>>>>> to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over
>>>> 600
>>>>>> followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
>>>>>> newcomers.
>>>>>> This proposal makes total sense to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benjamin
>>>>>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Joshua McKenzie <jm...@apache.org>.
Asking questions in front of 600 people (even virtually) can be
prohibitively hard for a lot of people. I'm with Ekaterina; flagging
certain people in the channel as "available to mentor" so new contributors
would know who they could reach out to 1:1 to get situated and potentially
build some confidence would probably help.
That said, a new channel is low friction and a worthy experiment too.
I'm +1 to trying it out.
~Josh
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:02 PM David Capwell <dc...@apple.com.invalid>
wrote:
> > Do newcomers feel confident enough to ask questions there?
>
> We get a few a quarter, guess the bigger question is “why do we not get
> more”? I don’t have issues following another channel, glad to help where I
> can. Another channel is low effort so I don’t have any issues trying to
> see if it helps.
>
> > On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Benjamin Lerer <b....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> cassandra-dev has low enough volume that newbie questions can be
> >> accommodated.
> >>
> >
> > I agree that we could deal with newbie questions on the cassandra-dev
> > channel. The question for me is more: Do newcomers feel confident enough
> to
> > ask questions there?
> >
> > Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
> >> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
> >> comfortable with channels?
> >>
> >
> > The main problem that we have with mentors currently is that it can be
> > difficult for newcomers to find people that can help them as mentors. We
> > would need to find a way to communicate that clearly. In my mind the new
> > channel could have been used also for that.
> >
> > I do not know if a channel would help. The idea makes sense to me but I
> > would have loved to have some confirmation from people that are
> interested
> > in contributing or that are newcomers working on their first patches.
> >
> > Le lun. 8 nov. 2021 à 17:55, Ekaterina Dimitrova <e....@gmail.com>
> a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
> >> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
> >> comfortable with channels?
> >> They can also be per specific area or something like that?
> >>
> >> I also feel that not many people will use another public channel,
> >> especially someone shy in very early career.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 11:39, Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
> >>> channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and
> >> it'll
> >>> have the same problem).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi everybody,
> >>>>
> >>>> Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> >>> newcomers
> >>>> to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over
> >> 600
> >>>> followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> >>>> newcomers.
> >>>> This proposal makes total sense to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Benjamin
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by David Capwell <dc...@apple.com.INVALID>.
> Do newcomers feel confident enough to ask questions there?
We get a few a quarter, guess the bigger question is “why do we not get more”? I don’t have issues following another channel, glad to help where I can. Another channel is low effort so I don’t have any issues trying to see if it helps.
> On Nov 8, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Benjamin Lerer <b....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> cassandra-dev has low enough volume that newbie questions can be
>> accommodated.
>>
>
> I agree that we could deal with newbie questions on the cassandra-dev
> channel. The question for me is more: Do newcomers feel confident enough to
> ask questions there?
>
> Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
>> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
>> comfortable with channels?
>>
>
> The main problem that we have with mentors currently is that it can be
> difficult for newcomers to find people that can help them as mentors. We
> would need to find a way to communicate that clearly. In my mind the new
> channel could have been used also for that.
>
> I do not know if a channel would help. The idea makes sense to me but I
> would have loved to have some confirmation from people that are interested
> in contributing or that are newcomers working on their first patches.
>
> Le lun. 8 nov. 2021 à 17:55, Ekaterina Dimitrova <e....@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
>> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
>> comfortable with channels?
>> They can also be per specific area or something like that?
>>
>> I also feel that not many people will use another public channel,
>> especially someone shy in very early career.
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 11:39, Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
>>> channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and
>> it'll
>>> have the same problem).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
>>> newcomers
>>>> to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over
>> 600
>>>> followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
>>>> newcomers.
>>>> This proposal makes total sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
>>>>
>>>> Benjamin
>>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Benjamin Lerer <b....@gmail.com>.
> cassandra-dev has low enough volume that newbie questions can be
> accommodated.
>
I agree that we could deal with newbie questions on the cassandra-dev
channel. The question for me is more: Do newcomers feel confident enough to
ask questions there?
Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
> comfortable with channels?
>
The main problem that we have with mentors currently is that it can be
difficult for newcomers to find people that can help them as mentors. We
would need to find a way to communicate that clearly. In my mind the new
channel could have been used also for that.
I do not know if a channel would help. The idea makes sense to me but I
would have loved to have some confirmation from people that are interested
in contributing or that are newcomers working on their first patches.
Le lun. 8 nov. 2021 à 17:55, Ekaterina Dimitrova <e....@gmail.com> a
écrit :
> Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
> contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
> comfortable with channels?
> They can also be per specific area or something like that?
>
> I also feel that not many people will use another public channel,
> especially someone shy in very early career.
>
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 11:39, Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
> > channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and
> it'll
> > have the same problem).
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> > newcomers
> > > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over
> 600
> > > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > > newcomers.
> > > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> > >
> > > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> > >
> > > Benjamin
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Ekaterina Dimitrova <e....@gmail.com>.
Can we try anything different like people who volunteer as mentors to be
contacted with questions at the beginning before people start feeling
comfortable with channels?
They can also be per specific area or something like that?
I also feel that not many people will use another public channel,
especially someone shy in very early career.
On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 11:39, Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
> channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and it'll
> have the same problem).
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for
> newcomers
> > to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
> > followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> > newcomers.
> > This proposal makes total sense to me.
> >
> > What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
> >
> > Benjamin
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Creating a new slack channel for newcomers
Posted by Jeff Jirsa <jj...@gmail.com>.
New developers or new users? I'd be afraid that a new developer-focused
channel might not get many eyes (or, it'll get the same 600 eyes, and it'll
have the same problem).
On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 8:29 AM Benjamin Lerer <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> Aleksei Zotov mentioned to me that it was a bit intimidating for newcomers
> to ask beginner questions in the cassandra-dev channel as it has over 600
> followers and that we should probably have a specific channel for
> newcomers.
> This proposal makes total sense to me.
>
> What is your opinion on this? Do you have any concerns about it?
>
> Benjamin
>