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Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application
architectures
Hi,anybody!
I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise Myfaces/Jsf application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?
The main question of mine is about real application's managed bean scope and MVC's controller implement strategy.
Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is the best architectures practise?
I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as JDBC,hibernate and others.
Sorry for my poor english.
btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsf implements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation! Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in new version! Please.
En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04
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Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> Yes, there are differences between Tomahawk, Trindad, Tobago, Orchestra and
> so on, but as a jsf implemenation user , I think that it's bad new that
> there are so many similar implemenations under a same place. I think that
again... in Apache there is only ONE impl.
MyFaces CORE.
The other projects are independent! from the implementation.
They are:
-add-ons
-component libraries
> jsf circle must gather the power to implement one or two jsf implemenations.
well there are only two...
>
> In my opinion, many choice is no choice!
Actually choice is good. That's how the "free market economy" works.
-Matthias
>
> Sorry for my poor english, thanks all of you.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Subject: RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application
> architectures
> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:29:20 +0200
> From: alexander.jesse@credit-suisse.com
>
>
> To: users@myfaces.apache.org
>
>
> Maybe you are mixing a few things.
>
> JSF implemenations are MyFaces-JSF (by Apache MyFaces) and Mojarra (by Sun)
>
> Tomahawk, Trindad and Tobago are Component Sets that sit on top of
> JSF-implementations
> (eg. Tomahawk works well also with Mojarra)
>
> regards
> Alexander
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: 周恩 [mailto:ejbstart@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:43 PM
> To: MyFaces Discussion
> Subject: RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application
> architectures
>
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> My main question is "Which is the best Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application
> architecture practise"? Let's discuss it more.
>
> I think that the advice to apache must be think better of:
> Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsfimplements, now
> there are too many implements under Apache foundation! Tomahawk must keep
> updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in new version!
>
> I use JavaServer Faces from 2004 in real application, and I have write a
> rapid java development tool with myfaces. but which is the best practise is
> still puzzle me.
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:04:59 +0200
> > From: matzew@apache.org
> > To: users@myfaces.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application
> architectures
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Gerald Müllan <gm...@apache.org>
> wrote:> > Hi,
>
>
> > >
> > > cagatay has published a very nice example application called
> > > "moviestore" using spring and a good jsf technology stack:
> > >
> > >
> http://cagataycivici.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/annotate-jsf-beans-with-spring-25
> > >
> > > facesgoodies is also a very nice and easy example project in order to
> > > study a real world jsf web application:
> > >
> > > http://code.google.com/p/facesgoodies
> > >
> > > Both are a good start in order to get in touch with popular technology
> > > stacks related to jsf.
> >
> > just a minor comment. FacesGoodi es uses Orchestra's extra scopes,
> > which I really strongly recommend to use.
> >
> > See:
> >
> http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/dynamic-tables-and-orchestras-conversation-scope/
> >
> > -M
> >
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Gerald> >
>
>
> > >
> > > 2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,anybody!
> > > > I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice
> Myfaces/Jsf
> > > > enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise
> Myfaces/Jsf
> > > > application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?
> > > > The main question of mine is about real application's managed bean
> > > > scope and MVC's controller implement strategy.
> > > > Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is the
> best
> > > &g t; architectures practise?
> > > > I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's
> > > > persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as
> > > > JDBC,hibernate and others.
> > > > Sorry for my poor english.
> > > >
> > > > btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two
> Jsf
> > > > implements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation!
> > > > Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and
> sanbox in
> > > > new version! Please.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > "七件武器，七种完美" 立刻体验！
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > JSF Consulting, D evelopment and
> > > Courses in English and German
> > >
> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > session s: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>
> > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
>
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RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application
architectures
Posted by 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>.
Yes, there are differences between Tomahawk, Trindad, Tobago, Orchestra and so on, but as a jsf implemenation user , I think that it's bad new that there are so many similar implemenations under a same place. I think that jsf circle must gather the power to implement one or two jsf implemenations.
In my opinion, many choice is no choice!
Sorry for my poor english, thanks all of you.
Subject: RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architecturesDate: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:29:20 +0200From: alexander.jesse@credit-suisse.comTo: users@myfaces.apache.org
Maybe you are mixing a few things.
JSF implemenations are MyFaces-JSF (by Apache MyFaces) and Mojarra (by Sun)
Tomahawk, Trindad and Tobago are Component Sets that sit on top of JSF-implementations
(eg. Tomahawk works well also with Mojarra)
regards
Alexander
From: 周恩 [mailto:ejbstart@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:43 PMTo: MyFaces DiscussionSubject: RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
Thanks a lot. My main question is "Which is the best Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture practise"? Let's discuss it more. I think that the advice to apache must be think better of: Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsfimplements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation! Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in new version! I use JavaServer Faces from 2004 in real application, and I have write a rapid java development tool with myfaces. but which is the best practise is still puzzle me. > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:04:59 +0200> From: matzew@apache.org> To: users@myfaces.apache.org> Subject: Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Gerald Müllan <gm...@apache.org> wrote:> > Hi,> >> > cagatay has published a very nice example application called> > "moviestore" using spring and a good jsf technology stack:> >> > http://c
agataycivici.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/annotate-jsf-beans-with-spring-25> >> > facesgoodies is also a very nice and easy example project in order to> > study a real world jsf web application:> >> > http://code.google.com/p/facesgoodies> >> > Both are a good start in order to get in touch with popular technology> > stacks related to jsf.> > just a minor comment. FacesGoodi es uses Orchestra's extra scopes,> which I really strongly recommend to use.> > See:> http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/dynamic-tables-and-orchestras-conversation-scope/> > -M> > >> > cheers,> >> > Gerald> >> >> > 2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:> >> >> > >> > > Hi,anybody!> > > I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice Myfaces/Jsf> > > enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise Myfaces/Jsf> > > application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?> > > The main question of mine is about real application's managed bean> > > scope and MVC'
s controller implement strategy.> > > Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is the best> > &g t; architectures practise?> > > I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's> > > persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as> > > JDBC,hibernate and others.> > > Sorry for my poor english.> > >> > > btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsf> > > implements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation!> > > Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in> > > new version! Please.> > >> > >> > > En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04> > >> > > ________________________________> > > "七件武器，七种完美" 立刻体验！> >> >> >> > --> > http://www.irian.at> >> > Your JSF powerhouse -> > JSF Consulting, D evelopment and> > Courses in English and German> >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces> >> > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf> > further stuff:> blog: http
://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
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RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
Posted by "Jesse Alexander (KSFH 323)" <al...@credit-suisse.com>.
Maybe you are mixing a few things.
JSF implemenations are MyFaces-JSF (by Apache MyFaces) and Mojarra (by Sun)
Tomahawk, Trindad and Tobago are Component Sets that sit on top of JSF-implementations
(eg. Tomahawk works well also with Mojarra)
regards
Alexander
________________________________
From: 周恩 [mailto:ejbstart@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:43 PM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
Thanks a lot.
My main question is "Which is the best Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture practise"? Let's discuss it more.
I think that the advice to apache must be think better of:
Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsfimplements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation! Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in new version!
I use JavaServer Faces from 2004 in real application, and I have write a rapid java development tool with myfaces. but which is the best practise is still puzzle me.
> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:04:59 +0200
> From: matzew@apache.org
> To: users@myfaces.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Gerald Müllan <gm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > cagatay has published a very nice example application called
> > "moviestore" using spring and a good jsf technology stack:
> >
> > http://cagataycivici.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/annotate-jsf-beans-with-spring-25
> >
> > facesgoodies is also a very nice and easy example project in order to
> > study a real world jsf web application:
> >
> > http://code.google.com/p/facesgoodies
> >
> > Both are a good start in order to get in touch with popular technology
> > stacks related to jsf.
>
> just a minor comment. FacesGoodi es uses Orchestra's extra scopes,
> which I really strongly recommend to use.
>
> See:
> http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/dynamic-tables-and-orchestras-conversation-scope/
>
> -M
>
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > 2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,anybody!
> > > I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice Myfaces/Jsf
> > > enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise Myfaces/Jsf
> > > application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?
> > > The main question of mine is about real application's managed bean
> > > scope and MVC's controller implement strategy.
> > > Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is the best
> > &g t; architectures practise?
> > > I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's
> > > persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as
> > > JDBC,hibernate and others.
> > > Sorry for my poor english.
> > >
> > > btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsf
> > > implements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation!
> > > Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in
> > > new version! Please.
> > >
> > >
> > > En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > "七件武器，七种完美" 立刻体验！
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, D evelopment and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
________________________________
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RE: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application
architectures
Posted by 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>.
Thanks a lot.
My main question is "Which is the best Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture practise"? Let's discuss it more.
I think that the advice to apache must be think better of:
Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsfimplements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation! Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in new version!
I use JavaServer Faces from 2004 in real application, and I have write a rapid java development tool with myfaces. but which is the best practise is still puzzle me.
> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:04:59 +0200> From: matzew@apache.org> To: users@myfaces.apache.org> Subject: Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Gerald Müllan <gm...@apache.org> wrote:> > Hi,> >> > cagatay has published a very nice example application called> > "moviestore" using spring and a good jsf technology stack:> >> > http://cagataycivici.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/annotate-jsf-beans-with-spring-25> >> > facesgoodies is also a very nice and easy example project in order to> > study a real world jsf web application:> >> > http://code.google.com/p/facesgoodies> >> > Both are a good start in order to get in touch with popular technology> > stacks related to jsf.> > just a minor comment. FacesGoodies uses Orchestra's extra scopes,> which I really strongly recommend to use.> > See:> http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/dynamic-tables-and-orchestras-conversation-scope/> > -M> > >> > cheer
s,> >> > Gerald> >> >> > 2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:> >> >> > >> > > Hi,anybody!> > > I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice Myfaces/Jsf> > > enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise Myfaces/Jsf> > > application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?> > > The main question of mine is about real application's managed bean> > > scope and MVC's controller implement strategy.> > > Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is the best> > > architectures practise?> > > I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's> > > persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as> > > JDBC,hibernate and others.> > > Sorry for my poor english.> > >> > > btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsf> > > implements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation!> > > Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanb
ox in> > > new version! Please.> > >> > >> > > En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04> > >> > > ________________________________> > > "七件武器，七种完美" 立刻体验！> >> >> >> > --> > http://www.irian.at> >> > Your JSF powerhouse -> > JSF Consulting, Development and> > Courses in English and German> >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces> >> > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf> > further stuff:> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
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Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
Posted by Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>.
Yes, I'll add orchestra to moviestore too if I can make it work:)
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Gerald Müllan <gm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > cagatay has published a very nice example application called
> > "moviestore" using spring and a good jsf technology stack:
> >
> >
> http://cagataycivici.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/annotate-jsf-beans-with-spring-25
> >
> > facesgoodies is also a very nice and easy example project in order to
> > study a real world jsf web application:
> >
> > http://code.google.com/p/facesgoodies
> >
> > Both are a good start in order to get in touch with popular technology
> > stacks related to jsf.
>
> just a minor comment. FacesGoodies uses Orchestra's extra scopes,
> which I really strongly recommend to use.
>
> See:
>
> http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/dynamic-tables-and-orchestras-conversation-scope/
>
> -M
>
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > 2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,anybody!
> > > I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice
> Myfaces/Jsf
> > > enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise
> Myfaces/Jsf
> > > application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?
> > > The main question of mine is about real application's managed
> bean
> > > scope and MVC's controller implement strategy.
> > > Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is
> the best
> > > architectures practise?
> > > I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's
> > > persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as
> > > JDBC,hibernate and others.
> > > Sorry for my poor english.
> > >
> > > btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or
> two Jsf
> > > implements, now there are too many implements under Apache
> foundation!
> > > Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and
> sanbox in
> > > new version! Please.
> > >
> > >
> > > En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > "七件武器，七种完美" 立刻体验！
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Gerald Müllan <gm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> cagatay has published a very nice example application called
> "moviestore" using spring and a good jsf technology stack:
>
> http://cagataycivici.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/annotate-jsf-beans-with-spring-25
>
> facesgoodies is also a very nice and easy example project in order to
> study a real world jsf web application:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/facesgoodies
>
> Both are a good start in order to get in touch with popular technology
> stacks related to jsf.
just a minor comment. FacesGoodies uses Orchestra's extra scopes,
which I really strongly recommend to use.
See:
http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/dynamic-tables-and-orchestras-conversation-scope/
-M
>
> cheers,
>
> Gerald
>
>
> 2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> >
> > Hi,anybody!
> > I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice Myfaces/Jsf
> > enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise Myfaces/Jsf
> > application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?
> > The main question of mine is about real application's managed bean
> > scope and MVC's controller implement strategy.
> > Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is the best
> > architectures practise?
> > I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's
> > persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as
> > JDBC,hibernate and others.
> > Sorry for my poor english.
> >
> > btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsf
> > implements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation!
> > Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in
> > new version! Please.
> >
> >
> > En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04
> >
> > ________________________________
> > "七件武器，七种完美" 立刻体验！
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
further stuff:
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
Re: Advice to apache and look for nice Myfaces/Jsf application architectures
Posted by Gerald Müllan <gm...@apache.org>.
Hi,
cagatay has published a very nice example application called
"moviestore" using spring and a good jsf technology stack:
http://cagataycivici.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/annotate-jsf-beans-with-spring-25
facesgoodies is also a very nice and easy example project in order to
study a real world jsf web application:
http://code.google.com/p/facesgoodies
Both are a good start in order to get in touch with popular technology
stacks related to jsf.
cheers,
Gerald
2008/4/4 周恩 <ej...@hotmail.com>:
>
> Hi,anybody!
> I am a chinese with poor english. I am looking for any nice Myfaces/Jsf
> enterprise application samples, I want to see your enterprise Myfaces/Jsf
> application architectures and choose the best one for my pjoject?
> The main question of mine is about real application's managed bean
> scope and MVC's controller implement strategy.
> Can anybody share somes for us include me and discuss which is the best
> architectures practise?
> I think a nice Myfaces/Jsf enterprise application architecture's
> persistence layer must be flexible with different implement such as
> JDBC,hibernate and others.
> Sorry for my poor english.
>
> btw: I think that Apache must gather it's power to focus one or two Jsf
> implements, now there are too many implements under Apache foundation!
> Tomahawk must keep updating with compatible MyFaces core, impl and sanbox in
> new version! Please.
>
>
> En Zhou,Beijin,China. 2008-04-04
>
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