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"Best" place to browse plugins
With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse plugins?
Is it at npm, using the search filter?
https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
Is it plugins.cordova.io?
If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell
folks to start using the npm site?
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Consolidated search issue https://github.com/npm/newww/issues/335
On Wednesday, April 29, 2015, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://github.com/npm/newww/issues/894
>
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2015, Raymond Camden <raymondcamden@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I noticed this too. When I added "camera", it acted like an OR search.
>> There seems to be no way to do an AND search there, which - if I'm
>> right - is going to make it hard to filter.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > I also noticed that we cannot combine a search within ecosystem:cordova
>> keyword ? Searching takes me back to the query landing page. Was this
>> something the npm guys were planning to fix, so that there is a way to
>> search for plugins in the cordova ecosystem ?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:58 AM
>> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> > Subject: "Best" place to browse plugins
>> >
>> > With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse
>> plugins?
>> >
>> > Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>> > https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>> >
>> > Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>> >
>> > If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell
>> folks to start using the npm site?
>> >
>> > --
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
https://github.com/npm/newww/issues/894
On Wednesday, April 29, 2015, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I noticed this too. When I added "camera", it acted like an OR search.
> There seems to be no way to do an AND search there, which - if I'm
> right - is going to make it hard to filter.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> <panarasi@microsoft.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > I also noticed that we cannot combine a search within ecosystem:cordova
> keyword ? Searching takes me back to the query landing page. Was this
> something the npm guys were planning to fix, so that there is a way to
> search for plugins in the cordova ecosystem ?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com <javascript:;>]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:58 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org <javascript:;>
> > Subject: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >
> > With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse
> plugins?
> >
> > Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> > https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> >
> > Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> >
> > If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell
> folks to start using the npm site?
> >
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
I noticed this too. When I added "camera", it acted like an OR search.
There seems to be no way to do an AND search there, which - if I'm
right - is going to make it hard to filter.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
<pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> I also noticed that we cannot combine a search within ecosystem:cordova keyword ? Searching takes me back to the query landing page. Was this something the npm guys were planning to fix, so that there is a way to search for plugins in the cordova ecosystem ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:58 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse plugins?
>
> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>
> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>
> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell folks to start using the npm site?
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
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RE: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by "Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)" <pa...@microsoft.com>.
I also noticed that we cannot combine a search within ecosystem:cordova keyword ? Searching takes me back to the query landing page. Was this something the npm guys were planning to fix, so that there is a way to search for plugins in the cordova ecosystem ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:58 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: "Best" place to browse plugins
With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse plugins?
Is it at npm, using the search filter?
https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
Is it plugins.cordova.io?
If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell folks to start using the npm site?
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RE: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Dmitry Blotsky <db...@microsoft.com>.
Is there anything stopping cordova-plugin-registry to become just a search and description engine, while still keeping the code on npm? What facilities did installing from CPR have over installing from npm?
Kindly,
Dmitry
From: Joerg Holz [mailto:holz@hamburg.de]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 2:46 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
I’m a cordova developer.
The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional description, no professional searching.
From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all plugins - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms, the maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated one: Is the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but this simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs. Just for selecting a timespan.
Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the people the power of cordova by good plugins.
Jörg
Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <go...@gmail.com>>:
On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to what Gulp has.
GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a wider term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search results.
It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the results.
I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or `cordovaplugin` keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison, yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
+1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins though.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org<ma...@cordova.apache.org>
Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is shut down I imagine.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1
I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
(although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
(Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
to hold my breath...)
On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
(tommy@devgeeks.org<ma...@devgeeks.org>)
wrote:
+1
On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
filter
cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
[4]
[1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
[2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
[3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
[4]: http://bower.io/search
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
<mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>>
wrote:
The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
of
folks
would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
My experience is this:
- A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
to upgrading a plugin.
- A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
*not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
Michael
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
panarasi@microsoft.com<ma...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
of
folks
would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org<ma...@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>>:
I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
<pa...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
we could
simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org<ma...@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
list/details of
the cordova plugins from npm.
I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
--
Gorkem
On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
browse plugins?
Is it at npm, using the search filter?
https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
Is it plugins.cordova.io?
If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
tell folks to start using the npm site?
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RE: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>.
+1 to having the plugin docs fixed. It's probably just about removing the offending HTML comments and doing a plugin release.
-Nikhil
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:10 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Joerg Holz
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Ray,
Here is the markdown issue: https://github.com/npm/marky-markdown/issues/42
Also (https://github.com/npm/newww/issues/622#issuecomment-95429647)
You can globally install marky-mardown (npm install -g marky-markdown)
Usage:
cd cordova-plugin-camera
marky-markdown README.md > README.html
Right now the html file is empty because it fails to parse the md file. I would suggest editing the readme so it will parse. Once you get one of them fixed, then it should be simple to make the same changes for the other readme's.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> go for it!
>
> https://docs.npmjs.com/misc/coding-style
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Raymond Camden
> <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there any objection then to me doing some rewrites, and if so,
> > anyone know offhand the style npm is using?
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> > > Ray: you have commit rights. =)
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Raymond Camden <
> raymondcamden@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Do we have a rough idea of how soon we will see the improvements
> > >> on
> the
> > NPM
> > >> side? If it is 1-2 weeks, then I don't think it is a huge big
> > >> deal,
> but
> > if
> > >> longer than that I think we have a problem with our uses. Right
> > >> now
> > there
> > >> are *no* docs if they follow the links from docs.cordova.io. We
> > >> all
> > know
> > >> where the docs can be found, and I blogged on it too, but for new
> users
> > >> this is not ideal, and is pretty critical I think.
> > >>
> > >> Query - if the issue now is that the Markdown used by core
> > >> plugins
> > doesn't
> > >> match the Markdown supported by npm, instead of waiting for npm
> > >> to fix
> > it,
> > >> couldn't we just do the manual grunt work ourselves? I'd happily
> > >> try
> to
> > hit
> > >> one of the files myself if so.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Kerri Shotts
> > >> <ke...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Jörg,
> > >> >
> > >> > I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be
> > >> > perfect
> > yet
> > >> > (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making
> search
> > >> and
> > >> > such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that's also
> > >> > being
> > worked
> > >> > out (and only applies to core plugins -- third party plugins
> > >> > should
> be
> > >> just
> > >> > fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer
> > >> > responsible
> for
> > >> > maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when
> > >> > you
> > have
> > >> a
> > >> > lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this
> > >> > regard
> > than
> > >> > does Cordova.
> > >> >
> > >> > That said, I'm also all for implementing a plugin page like
> > >> > Gulp,
> > Yeoman,
> > >> > etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply
> > because,
> > >> as
> > >> > you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I
> > >> > prefer
> > >> using
> > >> > Gulp's list or Yeoman's list over NPM's site, but I'm also glad
> > >> > that
> > NPM
> > >> is
> > >> > being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I'm
> > >> > doing
> > is on
> > >> > NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that
> > >> > Cordova's
> > >> plugins
> > >> > are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have
> > >> > been
> > there
> > >> for
> > >> > some time.)
> > >> >
> > >> > This is completely separate from your issue with "good
> > >> > plugins". NPM
> > or
> > >> > Cordova's registry will make no difference to that -- you're
> > >> > relying
> > upon
> > >> > the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make
> > >> > plugins
> for
> > >> you,
> > >> > and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation.
> > >> That's
> > >> > a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows
> > plugins. As
> > >> > to verification with versions and platforms, that's always
> > >> > going to
> > be up
> > >> > to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don't really see any
> > >> > way
> > >> around
> > >> > that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm a cordova developer.
> > >> >
> > >> > The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No
> > professional
> > >> > description, no professional searching.
> > >> >
> > >> > From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off
> > >> > all
> > >> plugins
> > >> > - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for
> platforms,
> > >> the
> > >> > maintainer, last update, ... and the most important and
> > >> > complicated
> > one: Is
> > >> > the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a
> > >> > cordova application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a
> > >> > screenshot,
> but
> > >> this
> > >> > simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and
> > Windows.
> > >> >
> > >> > I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I
> > >> > split
> the
> > >> > platforms ... in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for
> > >> > my
> needs.
> > >> Just
> > >> > for selecting a timespan.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let
> > >> > give
> > the
> > >> > people the power of cordova by good plugins.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Jörg
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> --
> > >>
> >
> ======================================================================
> =====
> > >> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> > >>
> > >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > >> Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.
Ray,
Here is the markdown issue: https://github.com/npm/marky-markdown/issues/42
Also (https://github.com/npm/newww/issues/622#issuecomment-95429647)
You can globally install marky-mardown (npm install -g marky-markdown)
Usage:
cd cordova-plugin-camera
marky-markdown README.md > README.html
Right now the html file is empty because it fails to parse the md file. I
would suggest editing the readme so it will parse. Once you get one of them
fixed, then it should be simple to make the same changes for the other
readme's.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> go for it!
>
> https://docs.npmjs.com/misc/coding-style
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there any objection then to me doing some rewrites, and if so,
> > anyone know offhand the style npm is using?
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> > > Ray: you have commit rights. =)
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Raymond Camden <
> raymondcamden@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Do we have a rough idea of how soon we will see the improvements on
> the
> > NPM
> > >> side? If it is 1-2 weeks, then I don't think it is a huge big deal,
> but
> > if
> > >> longer than that I think we have a problem with our uses. Right now
> > there
> > >> are *no* docs if they follow the links from docs.cordova.io. We all
> > know
> > >> where the docs can be found, and I blogged on it too, but for new
> users
> > >> this is not ideal, and is pretty critical I think.
> > >>
> > >> Query - if the issue now is that the Markdown used by core plugins
> > doesn't
> > >> match the Markdown supported by npm, instead of waiting for npm to fix
> > it,
> > >> couldn't we just do the manual grunt work ourselves? I'd happily try
> to
> > hit
> > >> one of the files myself if so.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Jörg,
> > >> >
> > >> > I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be perfect
> > yet
> > >> > (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making
> search
> > >> and
> > >> > such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that's also being
> > worked
> > >> > out (and only applies to core plugins -- third party plugins should
> be
> > >> just
> > >> > fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer responsible
> for
> > >> > maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when you
> > have
> > >> a
> > >> > lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this regard
> > than
> > >> > does Cordova.
> > >> >
> > >> > That said, I'm also all for implementing a plugin page like Gulp,
> > Yeoman,
> > >> > etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply
> > because,
> > >> as
> > >> > you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I prefer
> > >> using
> > >> > Gulp's list or Yeoman's list over NPM's site, but I'm also glad that
> > NPM
> > >> is
> > >> > being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I'm doing
> > is on
> > >> > NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that Cordova's
> > >> plugins
> > >> > are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have been
> > there
> > >> for
> > >> > some time.)
> > >> >
> > >> > This is completely separate from your issue with "good plugins". NPM
> > or
> > >> > Cordova's registry will make no difference to that -- you're relying
> > upon
> > >> > the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make plugins
> for
> > >> you,
> > >> > and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation.
> > >> That's
> > >> > a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows
> > plugins. As
> > >> > to verification with versions and platforms, that's always going to
> > be up
> > >> > to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don't really see any way
> > >> around
> > >> > that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm a cordova developer.
> > >> >
> > >> > The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No
> > professional
> > >> > description, no professional searching.
> > >> >
> > >> > From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
> > >> plugins
> > >> > - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for
> platforms,
> > >> the
> > >> > maintainer, last update, ... and the most important and complicated
> > one: Is
> > >> > the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
> > >> > application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot,
> but
> > >> this
> > >> > simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and
> > Windows.
> > >> >
> > >> > I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split
> the
> > >> > platforms ... in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my
> needs.
> > >> Just
> > >> > for selecting a timespan.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give
> > the
> > >> > people the power of cordova by good plugins.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Jörg
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> --
> > >>
> >
> ===========================================================================
> > >> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> > >>
> > >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > >> Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ===========================================================================
> > Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Brian, Steven - missed these in Gmail. Will try to get some
done this week - even if ugly.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> go for it!
>
> https://docs.npmjs.com/misc/coding-style
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any objection then to me doing some rewrites, and if so,
>> anyone know offhand the style npm is using?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>> > Ray: you have commit rights. =)
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do we have a rough idea of how soon we will see the improvements on the
>> NPM
>> >> side? If it is 1-2 weeks, then I don't think it is a huge big deal, but
>> if
>> >> longer than that I think we have a problem with our uses. Right now
>> there
>> >> are *no* docs if they follow the links from docs.cordova.io. We all
>> know
>> >> where the docs can be found, and I blogged on it too, but for new users
>> >> this is not ideal, and is pretty critical I think.
>> >>
>> >> Query - if the issue now is that the Markdown used by core plugins
>> doesn't
>> >> match the Markdown supported by npm, instead of waiting for npm to fix
>> it,
>> >> couldn't we just do the manual grunt work ourselves? I'd happily try to
>> hit
>> >> one of the files myself if so.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Jörg,
>> >> >
>> >> > I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be perfect
>> yet
>> >> > (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making search
>> >> and
>> >> > such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that’s also being
>> worked
>> >> > out (and only applies to core plugins — third party plugins should be
>> >> just
>> >> > fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer responsible for
>> >> > maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when you
>> have
>> >> a
>> >> > lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this regard
>> than
>> >> > does Cordova.
>> >> >
>> >> > That said, I’m also all for implementing a plugin page like Gulp,
>> Yeoman,
>> >> > etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply
>> because,
>> >> as
>> >> > you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I prefer
>> >> using
>> >> > Gulp’s list or Yeoman’s list over NPM’s site, but I’m also glad that
>> NPM
>> >> is
>> >> > being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I’m doing
>> is on
>> >> > NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that Cordova’s
>> >> plugins
>> >> > are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have been
>> there
>> >> for
>> >> > some time.)
>> >> >
>> >> > This is completely separate from your issue with “good plugins”. NPM
>> or
>> >> > Cordova’s registry will make no difference to that — you’re relying
>> upon
>> >> > the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make plugins for
>> >> you,
>> >> > and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation.
>> >> That’s
>> >> > a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows
>> plugins. As
>> >> > to verification with versions and platforms, that’s always going to
>> be up
>> >> > to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don’t really see any way
>> >> around
>> >> > that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I’m a cordova developer.
>> >> >
>> >> > The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No
>> professional
>> >> > description, no professional searching.
>> >> >
>> >> > From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
>> >> plugins
>> >> > - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms,
>> >> the
>> >> > maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated
>> one: Is
>> >> > the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
>> >> > application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but
>> >> this
>> >> > simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and
>> Windows.
>> >> >
>> >> > I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
>> >> > platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs.
>> >> Just
>> >> > for selecting a timespan.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give
>> the
>> >> > people the power of cordova by good plugins.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Jörg
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> --
>> >>
>> ===========================================================================
>> >> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>> >>
>> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ===========================================================================
>> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>
>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>
>>
--
===========================================================================
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
go for it!
https://docs.npmjs.com/misc/coding-style
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Is there any objection then to me doing some rewrites, and if so,
> anyone know offhand the style npm is using?
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> > Ray: you have commit rights. =)
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Do we have a rough idea of how soon we will see the improvements on the
> NPM
> >> side? If it is 1-2 weeks, then I don't think it is a huge big deal, but
> if
> >> longer than that I think we have a problem with our uses. Right now
> there
> >> are *no* docs if they follow the links from docs.cordova.io. We all
> know
> >> where the docs can be found, and I blogged on it too, but for new users
> >> this is not ideal, and is pretty critical I think.
> >>
> >> Query - if the issue now is that the Markdown used by core plugins
> doesn't
> >> match the Markdown supported by npm, instead of waiting for npm to fix
> it,
> >> couldn't we just do the manual grunt work ourselves? I'd happily try to
> hit
> >> one of the files myself if so.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Jörg,
> >> >
> >> > I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be perfect
> yet
> >> > (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making search
> >> and
> >> > such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that’s also being
> worked
> >> > out (and only applies to core plugins — third party plugins should be
> >> just
> >> > fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer responsible for
> >> > maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when you
> have
> >> a
> >> > lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this regard
> than
> >> > does Cordova.
> >> >
> >> > That said, I’m also all for implementing a plugin page like Gulp,
> Yeoman,
> >> > etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply
> because,
> >> as
> >> > you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I prefer
> >> using
> >> > Gulp’s list or Yeoman’s list over NPM’s site, but I’m also glad that
> NPM
> >> is
> >> > being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I’m doing
> is on
> >> > NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that Cordova’s
> >> plugins
> >> > are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have been
> there
> >> for
> >> > some time.)
> >> >
> >> > This is completely separate from your issue with “good plugins”. NPM
> or
> >> > Cordova’s registry will make no difference to that — you’re relying
> upon
> >> > the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make plugins for
> >> you,
> >> > and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation.
> >> That’s
> >> > a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows
> plugins. As
> >> > to verification with versions and platforms, that’s always going to
> be up
> >> > to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don’t really see any way
> >> around
> >> > that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I’m a cordova developer.
> >> >
> >> > The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No
> professional
> >> > description, no professional searching.
> >> >
> >> > From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
> >> plugins
> >> > - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms,
> >> the
> >> > maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated
> one: Is
> >> > the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
> >> > application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but
> >> this
> >> > simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and
> Windows.
> >> >
> >> > I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
> >> > platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs.
> >> Just
> >> > for selecting a timespan.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give
> the
> >> > people the power of cordova by good plugins.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jörg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> --
> >>
> ===========================================================================
> >> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>
>
Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Is there any objection then to me doing some rewrites, and if so,
anyone know offhand the style npm is using?
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> Ray: you have commit rights. =)
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Do we have a rough idea of how soon we will see the improvements on the NPM
>> side? If it is 1-2 weeks, then I don't think it is a huge big deal, but if
>> longer than that I think we have a problem with our uses. Right now there
>> are *no* docs if they follow the links from docs.cordova.io. We all know
>> where the docs can be found, and I blogged on it too, but for new users
>> this is not ideal, and is pretty critical I think.
>>
>> Query - if the issue now is that the Markdown used by core plugins doesn't
>> match the Markdown supported by npm, instead of waiting for npm to fix it,
>> couldn't we just do the manual grunt work ourselves? I'd happily try to hit
>> one of the files myself if so.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Jörg,
>> >
>> > I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be perfect yet
>> > (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making search
>> and
>> > such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that’s also being worked
>> > out (and only applies to core plugins — third party plugins should be
>> just
>> > fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer responsible for
>> > maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when you have
>> a
>> > lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this regard than
>> > does Cordova.
>> >
>> > That said, I’m also all for implementing a plugin page like Gulp, Yeoman,
>> > etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply because,
>> as
>> > you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I prefer
>> using
>> > Gulp’s list or Yeoman’s list over NPM’s site, but I’m also glad that NPM
>> is
>> > being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I’m doing is on
>> > NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that Cordova’s
>> plugins
>> > are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have been there
>> for
>> > some time.)
>> >
>> > This is completely separate from your issue with “good plugins”. NPM or
>> > Cordova’s registry will make no difference to that — you’re relying upon
>> > the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make plugins for
>> you,
>> > and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation.
>> That’s
>> > a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows plugins. As
>> > to verification with versions and platforms, that’s always going to be up
>> > to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don’t really see any way
>> around
>> > that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
>> >
>> > I’m a cordova developer.
>> >
>> > The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
>> > description, no professional searching.
>> >
>> > From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
>> plugins
>> > - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms,
>> the
>> > maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated one: Is
>> > the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
>> >
>> >
>> > Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
>> > application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but
>> this
>> > simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
>> >
>> > I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
>> > platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs.
>> Just
>> > for selecting a timespan.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the
>> > people the power of cordova by good plugins.
>> >
>> >
>> > Jörg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> --
>> ===========================================================================
>> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>
>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
Ray: you have commit rights. =)
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Do we have a rough idea of how soon we will see the improvements on the NPM
> side? If it is 1-2 weeks, then I don't think it is a huge big deal, but if
> longer than that I think we have a problem with our uses. Right now there
> are *no* docs if they follow the links from docs.cordova.io. We all know
> where the docs can be found, and I blogged on it too, but for new users
> this is not ideal, and is pretty critical I think.
>
> Query - if the issue now is that the Markdown used by core plugins doesn't
> match the Markdown supported by npm, instead of waiting for npm to fix it,
> couldn't we just do the manual grunt work ourselves? I'd happily try to hit
> one of the files myself if so.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Jörg,
> >
> > I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be perfect yet
> > (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making search
> and
> > such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that’s also being worked
> > out (and only applies to core plugins — third party plugins should be
> just
> > fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer responsible for
> > maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when you have
> a
> > lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this regard than
> > does Cordova.
> >
> > That said, I’m also all for implementing a plugin page like Gulp, Yeoman,
> > etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply because,
> as
> > you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I prefer
> using
> > Gulp’s list or Yeoman’s list over NPM’s site, but I’m also glad that NPM
> is
> > being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I’m doing is on
> > NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that Cordova’s
> plugins
> > are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have been there
> for
> > some time.)
> >
> > This is completely separate from your issue with “good plugins”. NPM or
> > Cordova’s registry will make no difference to that — you’re relying upon
> > the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make plugins for
> you,
> > and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation.
> That’s
> > a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows plugins. As
> > to verification with versions and platforms, that’s always going to be up
> > to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don’t really see any way
> around
> > that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
> >
> > I’m a cordova developer.
> >
> > The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
> > description, no professional searching.
> >
> > From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
> plugins
> > - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms,
> the
> > maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated one: Is
> > the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
> >
> >
> > Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
> > application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but
> this
> > simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
> >
> > I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
> > platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs.
> Just
> > for selecting a timespan.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the
> > people the power of cordova by good plugins.
> >
> >
> > Jörg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --
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>
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> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Do we have a rough idea of how soon we will see the improvements on the NPM
side? If it is 1-2 weeks, then I don't think it is a huge big deal, but if
longer than that I think we have a problem with our uses. Right now there
are *no* docs if they follow the links from docs.cordova.io. We all know
where the docs can be found, and I blogged on it too, but for new users
this is not ideal, and is pretty critical I think.
Query - if the issue now is that the Markdown used by core plugins doesn't
match the Markdown supported by npm, instead of waiting for npm to fix it,
couldn't we just do the manual grunt work ourselves? I'd happily try to hit
one of the files myself if so.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jörg,
>
> I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be perfect yet
> (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making search and
> such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that’s also being worked
> out (and only applies to core plugins — third party plugins should be just
> fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer responsible for
> maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when you have a
> lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this regard than
> does Cordova.
>
> That said, I’m also all for implementing a plugin page like Gulp, Yeoman,
> etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply because, as
> you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I prefer using
> Gulp’s list or Yeoman’s list over NPM’s site, but I’m also glad that NPM is
> being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I’m doing is on
> NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that Cordova’s plugins
> are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have been there for
> some time.)
>
> This is completely separate from your issue with “good plugins”. NPM or
> Cordova’s registry will make no difference to that — you’re relying upon
> the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make plugins for you,
> and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation. That’s
> a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows plugins. As
> to verification with versions and platforms, that’s always going to be up
> to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don’t really see any way around
> that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
>
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
>
> I’m a cordova developer.
>
> The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
> description, no professional searching.
>
> From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all plugins
> - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms, the
> maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated one: Is
> the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
>
>
> Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
> application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but this
> simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
>
> I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
> platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs. Just
> for selecting a timespan.
>
>
>
> Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the
> people the power of cordova by good plugins.
>
>
> Jörg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>.
Jörg,
I disagree: the move to NPM was a good move. It might not be perfect yet (far from it), but NPM is apparently moving forward with making search and such easy. The description is an issue, yes, but that’s also being worked out (and only applies to core plugins — third party plugins should be just fine). Furthermore, it means that Cordova is no longer responsible for maintaining a repository, which quickly becomes nontrivial when you have a lot of people hitting it. NPM has far more resources in this regard than does Cordova.
That said, I’m also all for implementing a plugin page like Gulp, Yeoman, etc. do, even if NPM gets better searching and the like, simply because, as you say, it gives an overview that can lead to inspiration. I prefer using Gulp’s list or Yeoman’s list over NPM’s site, but I’m also glad that NPM is being used to manage the packages. Nearly everything else I’m doing is on NPM now anyway, so it works out well for my workflow that Cordova’s plugins are now too. (Never mind that the platforms and the CLI have been there for some time.)
This is completely separate from your issue with “good plugins”. NPM or Cordova’s registry will make no difference to that — you’re relying upon the skills and goodwill of third party developers to make plugins for you, and they will all be of varying quality with varying documentation. That’s a problem with Gulp, Yeoman, and every other tool that allows plugins. As to verification with versions and platforms, that’s always going to be up to the plugin owner, not the repository. I don’t really see any way around that as it would always be hit or miss with third party plugins.
On May 30, 2015 at 4:49:08 PM, Joerg Holz (holz@hamburg.de) wrote:
I’m a cordova developer.
The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional description, no professional searching.
From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all plugins - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms, the maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated one: Is the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but this simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs. Just for selecting a timespan.
Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the people the power of cordova by good plugins.
Jörg
Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <go...@gmail.com>:
On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to what Gulp has.
GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a wider term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search results.
It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the results.
I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or `cordovaplugin` keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison, yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
+1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins though.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is shut down I imagine.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1
I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
(although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
(Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
to hold my breath...)
On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
(tommy@devgeeks.org)
wrote:
+1
On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
filter
cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
[4]
[1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
[2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
[3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
[4]: http://bower.io/search
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
<mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
wrote:
The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
of
folks
would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
My experience is this:
- A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
to upgrading a plugin.
- A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
*not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
Michael
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
of
folks
would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
<pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
we could
simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
list/details of
the cordova plugins from npm.
I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
--
Gorkem
On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
browse plugins?
Is it at npm, using the search filter?
https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
Is it plugins.cordova.io?
If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
tell folks to start using the npm site?
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
I updated every plugin listed here
(http://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/5.0.0/cordova_plugins_pluginapis.md.html#Plugin%20APIs)
I ran marky-markdown on the README to ensure it spit out HTML.
I've pushed up everything. If I need to do anything else to
'officially' start the process, just let me know.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Once you are done we can start a discuss for a plugins release.
>
> Thanks Ray!
> On Jun 2, 2015 8:53 AM, "Raymond Camden" <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've gone through about half of them but I'll just keep going. If we
>> can just remove them completely, then next time we mod the docs they
>> can be killed then too.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal
>> <ni...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > Don't we have to publish the plugin to npm for this to be picked up? I
>> think npm does not look at the git repo itself. Also, we might as well
>> remove the license, ASF does not require docs to have the license header -
>> only sources.
>> >
>> > .md files should ideally be part of RAT excludes.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Nikhil
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:28 AM
>> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>> >
>> > Done - so how soon will npm pick up on the change so I can see?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Ok. So... this is my first time. I commit to the repo and... in theory
>> >> npm will just pick it up. Here goes nothing.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Looks ok to me. Not sure if Apache RAT passes it, but I think it would.
>> >>>
>> >>> If it doesn't its easily worked around since we would have manually
>> >>> verified that it passes (and put it in the ignore file for RAT)
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.
Once you are done we can start a discuss for a plugins release.
Thanks Ray!
On Jun 2, 2015 8:53 AM, "Raymond Camden" <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've gone through about half of them but I'll just keep going. If we
> can just remove them completely, then next time we mod the docs they
> can be killed then too.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal
> <ni...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Don't we have to publish the plugin to npm for this to be picked up? I
> think npm does not look at the git repo itself. Also, we might as well
> remove the license, ASF does not require docs to have the license header -
> only sources.
> >
> > .md files should ideally be part of RAT excludes.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nikhil
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:28 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >
> > Done - so how soon will npm pick up on the change so I can see?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Ok. So... this is my first time. I commit to the repo and... in theory
> >> npm will just pick it up. Here goes nothing.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Looks ok to me. Not sure if Apache RAT passes it, but I think it would.
> >>>
> >>> If it doesn't its easily worked around since we would have manually
> >>> verified that it passes (and put it in the ignore file for RAT)
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
I've gone through about half of them but I'll just keep going. If we
can just remove them completely, then next time we mod the docs they
can be killed then too.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Nikhil Khandelwal
<ni...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Don't we have to publish the plugin to npm for this to be picked up? I think npm does not look at the git repo itself. Also, we might as well remove the license, ASF does not require docs to have the license header - only sources.
>
> .md files should ideally be part of RAT excludes.
>
> Thanks,
> Nikhil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:28 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
> Done - so how soon will npm pick up on the change so I can see?
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok. So... this is my first time. I commit to the repo and... in theory
>> npm will just pick it up. Here goes nothing.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Looks ok to me. Not sure if Apache RAT passes it, but I think it would.
>>>
>>> If it doesn't its easily worked around since we would have manually
>>> verified that it passes (and put it in the ignore file for RAT)
>
>>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>.
Don't we have to publish the plugin to npm for this to be picked up? I think npm does not look at the git repo itself. Also, we might as well remove the license, ASF does not require docs to have the license header - only sources.
.md files should ideally be part of RAT excludes.
Thanks,
Nikhil
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:28 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Done - so how soon will npm pick up on the change so I can see?
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok. So... this is my first time. I commit to the repo and... in theory
> npm will just pick it up. Here goes nothing.
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looks ok to me. Not sure if Apache RAT passes it, but I think it would.
>>
>> If it doesn't its easily worked around since we would have manually
>> verified that it passes (and put it in the ignore file for RAT)
>>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Done - so how soon will npm pick up on the change so I can see?
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok. So... this is my first time. I commit to the repo and... in theory
> npm will just pick it up. Here goes nothing.
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looks ok to me. Not sure if Apache RAT passes it, but I think it would.
>>
>> If it doesn't its easily worked around since we would have manually
>> verified that it passes (and put it in the ignore file for RAT)
>>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
Ok. So... this is my first time. I commit to the repo and... in theory
npm will just pick it up. Here goes nothing.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks ok to me. Not sure if Apache RAT passes it, but I think it would.
>
> If it doesn't its easily worked around since we would have manually
> verified that it passes (and put it in the ignore file for RAT)
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So adding a # in front of each line makes it compile.
>>
>> Here is a Gist showing the change - since the ASF is *incredibly*
>> particular about stuff, do the # marks 'break' something for them?
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/cfjedimaster/a236919daea219e4c5d2
>>
>> And here is the rendered HTML:
>>
>> http://static.raymondcamden.com/README.html
>>
>> Does this seem ok for folks?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Please send an email to dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>> >
>> > On Monday, June 1, 2015, Great Courses <tt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> plz can you all remove me from the list. you all are doing great work,
>> am
>> >> not that smart or deserve to be in this intelligent group.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Joerg Holz <holz@hamburg.de
>> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holz@hamburg.de');>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I’m a cordova developer.
>> >>>
>> >>> The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
>> >>> description, no professional searching.
>> >>>
>> >>> From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
>> >>> plugins - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for
>> >>> platforms, the maintainer, last update, … and the most important and
>> >>> complicated one: Is the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked
>> for
>> >>> version?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
>> >>> application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but
>> this
>> >>> simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and
>> Windows.
>> >>>
>> >>> I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
>> >>> platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs.
>> Just
>> >>> for selecting a timespan.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give
>> the
>> >>> people the power of cordova by good plugins.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jörg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>>:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search
>> >>> prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to
>> what
>> >>> Gulp has.
>> >>>
>> >>> GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
>> >>> Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
>> >>>
>> >>> One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the
>> >>> keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a
>> wider
>> >>> term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search
>> results.
>> >>>
>> >>> It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the
>> >>> results.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or
>> `cordovaplugin`
>> >>> keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison,
>> >>> yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses
>> >>> `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> +1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins
>> >>> though.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stevengill97@gmail.com');>]
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
>> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>> Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
>> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>> >>>
>> >>> npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later
>> this
>> >>> year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
>> >>>
>> >>> I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style
>> >>> search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is
>> >>> shut down I imagine.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <kerrishotts@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerrishotts@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> +1
>> >>>
>> >>> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
>> >>> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>> >>>
>> >>> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
>> >>> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
>> >>> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
>> >>> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
>> >>> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
>> >>>
>> >>> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
>> >>> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
>> >>> to hold my breath...)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
>> >>> (tommy@devgeeks.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tommy@devgeeks.org
>> ');>)
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> +1
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','csantana23@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
>> >>>
>> >>> filter
>> >>>
>> >>> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
>> >>> [4]
>> >>>
>> >>> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
>> >>> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
>> >>> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
>> >>> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
>> >>> <michael@michaelbrooks.ca
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michael@michaelbrooks.ca');>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>> >>> of
>> >>>
>> >>> folks
>> >>>
>> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>> >>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> My experience is this:
>> >>>
>> >>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
>> >>> to upgrading a plugin.
>> >>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
>> >>> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
>> >>> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
>> >>> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm
>> registry.
>> >>>
>> >>> Michael
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
>> >>> panarasi@microsoft.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>> >>> of
>> >>>
>> >>> folks
>> >>>
>> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>> >>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sosah.victor@gmail.com');>]
>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
>> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
>> >>> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>> >>>
>> >>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');>>:
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
>> >>> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
>> >>> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
>> >>> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>> >>> <panarasi@microsoft.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
>> >>> we could
>> >>>
>> >>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
>> >>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>]
>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
>> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
>> >>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
>> >>> list/details of
>> >>>
>> >>> the cordova plugins from npm.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Gorkem
>> >>>
>> >>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
>> >>> browse plugins?
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>> >>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>> >>>
>> >>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
>> >>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ===============================================================
>> >>> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
>> >>> MobileFirst at IBM
>> >>>
>> >>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');> Blog :
>> >>> www.raymondcamden.com
>> >>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> ----
>> >>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev-help@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> ----
>> >>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
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>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev-help@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>>
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>> >>> ----
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>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev-help@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> =================================================================
>> >>> ===== ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at
>> >>> IBM
>> >>>
>> >>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');>
>> >>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>> >>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>> >>>
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>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev-help@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
>> >>> IBM Software Engineer
>> >>> Guadalajara, Jalisco
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev-help@cordova.apache.org');>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
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>> >>> holz@hamburg.de <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holz@hamburg.de');>
>> >>>
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>> >>> http://www.doreport.de
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ===========================================================================
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>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Looks ok to me. Not sure if Apache RAT passes it, but I think it would.
If it doesn't its easily worked around since we would have manually
verified that it passes (and put it in the ignore file for RAT)
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> So adding a # in front of each line makes it compile.
>
> Here is a Gist showing the change - since the ASF is *incredibly*
> particular about stuff, do the # marks 'break' something for them?
>
> https://gist.github.com/cfjedimaster/a236919daea219e4c5d2
>
> And here is the rendered HTML:
>
> http://static.raymondcamden.com/README.html
>
> Does this seem ok for folks?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Please send an email to dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >
> > On Monday, June 1, 2015, Great Courses <tt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> plz can you all remove me from the list. you all are doing great work,
> am
> >> not that smart or deserve to be in this intelligent group.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Joerg Holz <holz@hamburg.de
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holz@hamburg.de');>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I’m a cordova developer.
> >>>
> >>> The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
> >>> description, no professional searching.
> >>>
> >>> From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
> >>> plugins - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for
> >>> platforms, the maintainer, last update, … and the most important and
> >>> complicated one: Is the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked
> for
> >>> version?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
> >>> application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but
> this
> >>> simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and
> Windows.
> >>>
> >>> I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
> >>> platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs.
> Just
> >>> for selecting a timespan.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give
> the
> >>> people the power of cordova by good plugins.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jörg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>>:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search
> >>> prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to
> what
> >>> Gulp has.
> >>>
> >>> GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
> >>> Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
> >>>
> >>> One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the
> >>> keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a
> wider
> >>> term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search
> results.
> >>>
> >>> It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the
> >>> results.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or
> `cordovaplugin`
> >>> keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison,
> >>> yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses
> >>> `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> +1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stevengill97@gmail.com');>]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
> >>> Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >>>
> >>> npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later
> this
> >>> year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
> >>>
> >>> I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style
> >>> search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is
> >>> shut down I imagine.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <kerrishotts@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerrishotts@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
> >>> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
> >>>
> >>> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
> >>> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
> >>> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
> >>> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
> >>> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
> >>>
> >>> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
> >>> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
> >>> to hold my breath...)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
> >>> (tommy@devgeeks.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tommy@devgeeks.org
> ');>)
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','csantana23@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
> >>>
> >>> filter
> >>>
> >>> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
> >>> [4]
> >>>
> >>> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
> >>> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
> >>> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
> >>> [4]: http://bower.io/search
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
> >>> <michael@michaelbrooks.ca
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michael@michaelbrooks.ca');>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>> folks
> >>>
> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
> >>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My experience is this:
> >>>
> >>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
> >>> to upgrading a plugin.
> >>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
> >>> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
> >>>
> >>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
> >>> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
> >>> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm
> registry.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
> >>> panarasi@microsoft.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>> folks
> >>>
> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
> >>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sosah.victor@gmail.com');>]
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >>>
> >>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
> >>> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
> >>>
> >>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');>>:
> >>>
> >>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
> >>> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
> >>> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
> >>> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
> >>>
> >>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> >>> <panarasi@microsoft.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
> >>> we could
> >>>
> >>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> >>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>]
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> >>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
> >>> list/details of
> >>>
> >>> the cordova plugins from npm.
> >>>
> >>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> >>> --
> >>> Gorkem
> >>>
> >>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >>>
> >>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
> >>> browse plugins?
> >>>
> >>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> >>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> >>>
> >>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> >>>
> >>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
> >>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ===============================================================
> >>> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
> >>> MobileFirst at IBM
> >>>
> >>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');> Blog :
> >>> www.raymondcamden.com
> >>> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ----
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> >>> IBM Software Engineer
> >>> Guadalajara, Jalisco
> >>>
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> >>> http://www.doreport.de
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
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>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
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>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
So adding a # in front of each line makes it compile.
Here is a Gist showing the change - since the ASF is *incredibly*
particular about stuff, do the # marks 'break' something for them?
https://gist.github.com/cfjedimaster/a236919daea219e4c5d2
And here is the rendered HTML:
http://static.raymondcamden.com/README.html
Does this seem ok for folks?
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please send an email to dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>
> On Monday, June 1, 2015, Great Courses <tt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> plz can you all remove me from the list. you all are doing great work, am
>> not that smart or deserve to be in this intelligent group.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Joerg Holz <holz@hamburg.de
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holz@hamburg.de');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m a cordova developer.
>>>
>>> The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
>>> description, no professional searching.
>>>
>>> From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
>>> plugins - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for
>>> platforms, the maintainer, last update, … and the most important and
>>> complicated one: Is the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for
>>> version?
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
>>> application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but this
>>> simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
>>>
>>> I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
>>> platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs. Just
>>> for selecting a timespan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the
>>> people the power of cordova by good plugins.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jörg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
>>>
>>> I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search
>>> prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to what
>>> Gulp has.
>>>
>>> GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
>>> Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
>>>
>>> One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the
>>> keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a wider
>>> term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search results.
>>>
>>> It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the
>>> results.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or `cordovaplugin`
>>> keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison,
>>> yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses
>>> `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> +1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stevengill97@gmail.com');>]
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>>> Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>
>>> npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this
>>> year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
>>>
>>> I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style
>>> search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is
>>> shut down I imagine.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <kerrishotts@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerrishotts@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
>>> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>>>
>>> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
>>> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
>>> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
>>> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
>>> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
>>>
>>> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
>>> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
>>> to hold my breath...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
>>> (tommy@devgeeks.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tommy@devgeeks.org');>)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','csantana23@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
>>>
>>> filter
>>>
>>> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
>>> [4]
>>>
>>> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
>>> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
>>> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
>>> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
>>> <michael@michaelbrooks.ca
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michael@michaelbrooks.ca');>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>>> of
>>>
>>> folks
>>>
>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My experience is this:
>>>
>>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
>>> to upgrading a plugin.
>>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
>>> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
>>>
>>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
>>> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
>>> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
>>> panarasi@microsoft.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>>> of
>>>
>>> folks
>>>
>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sosah.victor@gmail.com');>]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>
>>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
>>> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>>>
>>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');>>:
>>>
>>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
>>> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
>>> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
>>> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
>>>
>>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>>> <panarasi@microsoft.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
>>> we could
>>>
>>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
>>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
>>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
>>> list/details of
>>>
>>> the cordova plugins from npm.
>>>
>>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
>>> --
>>> Gorkem
>>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>>
>>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
>>> browse plugins?
>>>
>>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>>>
>>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>>>
>>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
>>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ===============================================================
>>> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
>>> MobileFirst at IBM
>>>
>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');> Blog :
>>> www.raymondcamden.com
>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> =================================================================
>>> ===== ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at
>>> IBM
>>>
>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');>
>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
>>> IBM Software Engineer
>>> Guadalajara, Jalisco
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev-help@cordova.apache.org');>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jörg Holz | +49-175-640 35 80
>>> holz@hamburg.de <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holz@hamburg.de');>
>>>
>>> NEU: doreport - die Reportingsoftware:
>>> http://www.doreport.de
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>
--
===========================================================================
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Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
Twitter: raymondcamden
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Please send an email to dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
On Monday, June 1, 2015, Great Courses <tt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> plz can you all remove me from the list. you all are doing great work, am
> not that smart or deserve to be in this intelligent group.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Joerg Holz <holz@hamburg.de
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','holz@hamburg.de');>> wrote:
>
>> I’m a cordova developer.
>>
>> The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
>> description, no professional searching.
>>
>> From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all
>> plugins - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for
>> platforms, the maintainer, last update, … and the most important and
>> complicated one: Is the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for
>> version?
>>
>>
>> Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
>> application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but this
>> simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
>>
>> I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
>> platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs. Just
>> for selecting a timespan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the
>> people the power of cordova by good plugins.
>>
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>>:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
>>
>> I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search
>> prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to what
>> Gulp has.
>>
>> GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
>> Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
>>
>> One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the
>> keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a wider
>> term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search results.
>>
>> It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the
>> results.
>>
>>
>> I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or `cordovaplugin`
>> keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison,
>> yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses
>> `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> +1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins
>> though.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stevengill97@gmail.com');>]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>> Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>
>> npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this
>> year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
>>
>> I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style
>> search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is
>> shut down I imagine.
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <kerrishotts@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerrishotts@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
>> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>>
>> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
>> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
>> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
>> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
>> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
>>
>> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
>> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
>> to hold my breath...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
>> (tommy@devgeeks.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tommy@devgeeks.org');>)
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','csantana23@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
>>
>> filter
>>
>> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
>> [4]
>>
>> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
>> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
>> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
>> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
>> <michael@michaelbrooks.ca
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michael@michaelbrooks.ca');>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>> of
>>
>> folks
>>
>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>
>>
>>
>> My experience is this:
>>
>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
>> to upgrading a plugin.
>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
>> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
>>
>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
>> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
>> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
>> panarasi@microsoft.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>> of
>>
>> folks
>>
>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sosah.victor@gmail.com');>]
>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>
>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
>> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>>
>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raymondcamden@gmail.com');>>:
>>
>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
>> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
>> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
>> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
>>
>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>> <panarasi@microsoft.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','panarasi@microsoft.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
>> we could
>>
>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gorkem.ercan@gmail.com');>]
>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dev@cordova.apache.org');>
>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>
>>
>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
>> list/details of
>>
>> the cordova plugins from npm.
>>
>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
>> --
>> Gorkem
>>
>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>
>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
>> browse plugins?
>>
>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>>
>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>>
>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>>
>> --
>> ===============================================================
>> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
>> MobileFirst at IBM
>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Great Courses <tt...@gmail.com>.
plz can you all remove me from the list. you all are doing great work, am
not that smart or deserve to be in this intelligent group.
Thanks,
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> I’m a cordova developer.
>
> The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional
> description, no professional searching.
>
> From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all plugins
> - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms, the
> maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated one: Is
> the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
>
>
> Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova
> application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but this
> simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
>
> I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the
> platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs. Just
> for selecting a timespan.
>
>
>
> Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the
> people the power of cordova by good plugins.
>
>
> Jörg
>
>
>
>
> Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <go...@gmail.com>:
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
>
> I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search
> prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to what
> Gulp has.
>
> GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
> Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
>
> One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the
> keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a wider
> term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search results.
>
> It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the
> results.
>
>
> I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or `cordovaplugin`
> keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison,
> yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses
> `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
>
>
> +1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins
> though.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com <st...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
> npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this
> year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
>
> I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style
> search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is
> shut down I imagine.
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>
> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
>
> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
> to hold my breath...)
>
>
>
>
> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
> (tommy@devgeeks.org)
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
>
> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
>
> filter
>
> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
> [4]
>
> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
> of
>
> folks
>
> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>
>
>
> My experience is this:
>
> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
> to upgrading a plugin.
> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
>
> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
>
> Michael
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
> of
>
> folks
>
> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com <so...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>
> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
>
> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
>
> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
> we could
>
> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com <go...@gmail.com>
> ]
> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
>
> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
> list/details of
>
> the cordova plugins from npm.
>
> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> --
> Gorkem
>
> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>
> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
> browse plugins?
>
> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>
> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>
> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>
> --
> ===============================================================
> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
> MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
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>
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> IBM Software Engineer
> Guadalajara, Jalisco
>
>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Joerg Holz <ho...@hamburg.de>.
I’m a cordova developer.
The idea to move the plugins to npm was a very bad one. No professional description, no professional searching.
From a developer view, there is a need to have an overview off all plugins - just for inspiration There is a need to have a filter for platforms, the maintainer, last update, … and the most important and complicated one: Is the plugin checked, checked for platform, checked for version?
Have you ever tried to bring a three wheel selector in a cordova application? That is a great job. Sorry for posting a screenshot, but this simple wheeler took me one week for working on iOS, Android and Windows.
I tried every plugin, every modification of every plugin, I split the platforms … in the end I used mobiscroll and rewrote it for my needs. Just for selecting a timespan.
Cordova is great, the most important job for the future is: Let give the people the power of cordova by good plugins.
Jörg
> Am 29.05.2015 um 02:55 schrieb Gorkem Ercan <go...@gmail.com>:
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
>
>> I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to what Gulp has.
>>
>> GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
>> Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
>>
>> One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a wider term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search results.
>>
> It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the results.
>
>
>> I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or `cordovaplugin` keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison, yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
>>
>
> +1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins though.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>
>> npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
>>
>> I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is shut down I imagine.
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
>>> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>>>
>>> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
>>> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
>>> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
>>> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
>>> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
>>>
>>> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
>>> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
>>> to hold my breath...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
>>> (tommy@devgeeks.org)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
>>> filter
>>>> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
>>>> [4]
>>>>
>>>> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
>>>> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
>>>> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
>>>> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
>>>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>> folks
>>>>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>>>>>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My experience is this:
>>>>>
>>>>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
>>>>> to upgrading a plugin.
>>>>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
>>>>> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
>>>>> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
>>>>> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
>>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>> folks
>>>>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>>>>>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
>>>>>> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
>>>>>>> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
>>>>>>> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
>>>>>>> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
>>>>>>>> we could
>>>>>>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
>>>>>>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
>>>>>>>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
>>>>>>>> list/details of
>>>>>>> the cordova plugins from npm.
>>>>>>>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gorkem
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
>>>>>>>>> browse plugins?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>>>>>>>>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
>>>>>>>>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> ===============================================================
>>>>>>>>> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
>>>>>>>>> MobileFirst at IBM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> ----
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> ----
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>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> =================================================================
>>>>>>> ===== ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at
>>>>>>> IBM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
>>>>>> IBM Software Engineer
>>>>>> Guadalajara, Jalisco
>>>>>
>>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Gorkem Ercan <go...@gmail.com>.
On 28 May 2015, at 19:41, Murat Sutunc wrote:
> I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search
> prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to
> what Gulp has.
>
> GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
> Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
>
> One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using
> the keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is
> a wider term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant
> search results.
>
It does, I use it and at least all the cordova-platforms appear on the
results.
> I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or
> `cordovaplugin` keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also
> for comparison, yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin`
> and grunt uses `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
>
+1. I guess there is no way to add them for all the existing plugins
though.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
> npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later
> this year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
>
> I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style
> search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry
> is shut down I imagine.
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
>> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>>
>> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
>> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
>> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
>> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
>> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
>>
>> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
>> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not
>> going
>> to hold my breath...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
>> (tommy@devgeeks.org)
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
>> filter
>>> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
>>> [4]
>>>
>>> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
>>> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
>>> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
>>> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
>>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>>>>> of
>>>> folks
>>>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>>>>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My experience is this:
>>>>
>>>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
>>>> to upgrading a plugin.
>>>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
>>>> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
>>>> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
>>>> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm
>>>> registry.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
>>>> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
>>>>> of
>>>> folks
>>>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
>>>>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
>>>>> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden
>>>>> <ra...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
>>>>>> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
>>>>>> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
>>>>>> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>>>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
>>>>>>> we could
>>>>>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
>>>>>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is
>>>>>>> closed?
>>>>>>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
>>>>>>> list/details of
>>>>>> the cordova plugins from npm.
>>>>>>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from
>>>>>>> npm.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gorkem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
>>>>>>>> browse plugins?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>>>>>>>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
>>>>>>>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ===============================================================
>>>>>>>> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
>>>>>>>> MobileFirst at IBM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> =================================================================
>>>>>> ===== ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at
>>>>>> IBM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> ---- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
>>>>> IBM Software Engineer
>>>>> Guadalajara, Jalisco
>>>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>
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RE: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Murat Sutunc <mu...@microsoft.com>.
I had some free time today and started working on a plugin search prototype. Currently it doesn't offer much but it's very similar to what Gulp has.
GH: https://github.com/muratsu/cordova-plugin-search
Imgur (can't add images to mails :( ): http://imgur.com/sX8oFcJ
One problem I've run into is discoverability. Currently we're using the keyword `ecosystem:cordova` with all of the plugins. Ecosystem is a wider term than plugins and will most likely contain irrelevant search results.
I was hoping that we switch to using `cordova-plugin` or `cordovaplugin` keyword going forward for better discoverability. Also for comparison, yeoman uses `yeoman-generator`, gulp uses `gulpplugin` and grunt uses `gruntplugin`. Thoughts?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengill97@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:35 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Cc: Tommy-Carlos Williams
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is shut down I imagine.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM
> (although it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>
> I also think close association with the brand and site are important.
> For those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly
> apparent that there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova,
> and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova
> name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
>
> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going
> to hold my breath...)
>
>
>
>
> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
> (tommy@devgeeks.org)
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
>
> > On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
> filter
> > cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower
> > [4]
> >
> > [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
> > [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
> > [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
> > [4]: http://bower.io/search
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks
> > <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
> >>> of
> >> folks
> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
> >>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
> >>
> >>
> >> My experience is this:
> >>
> >> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing
> >> to upgrading a plugin.
> >> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also
> >> *not* willing in upgrading a plugin.
> >>
> >> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy
> >> plugin registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to
> >> explain the minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
> >> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot
> >>> of
> >> folks
> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes
> >>> read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >>>
> >>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a
> >>> good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
> >>>
> >>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just
> >>>> seems like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text
> >>>> message up on the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to
> >>>> search. (Link to npm with the search params included.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> >>>> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if
> >>>>> we could
> >>>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> >>>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> >>>>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the
> >>>>> list/details of
> >>>> the cordova plugins from npm.
> >>>>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Gorkem
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
> >>>>>> browse plugins?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> >>>>>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
> >>>>>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ===============================================================
> >>>>>> ==== === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for
> >>>>>> MobileFirst at IBM
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> ----
> >>>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> ----
> >>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> ----
> >>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> =================================================================
> >>>> ===== ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at
> >>>> IBM
> >>>>
> >>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>>>
> >>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> ---- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
> >>> IBM Software Engineer
> >>> Guadalajara, Jalisco
> >>
>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.
npm does have a plan to improve their ecosystem + communities later this
year. We will essentially get a portal for cordova on npmjs.
I also agree in turning plugins.cordova.io into a Gulp & Yeoman style
search page. Probably won't be doing that until our current registry is
shut down I imagine.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> I've used both Gulp & Yeoman's search, and prefer both to NPM (although
> it's not difficult to be better than NPM's search).
>
> I also think close association with the brand and site are important. For
> those users who don't know about Node & NPM yet, it's quickly apparent that
> there's a large community creating plugins for Cordova, and for everyone
> else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova name. NPM would still
> be canonical, of course.
>
> (Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around
> ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn't be necessary. But I'm not going to
> hold my breath...)
>
>
>
>
> On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams (tommy@devgeeks.org)
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
>
> > On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and
> filter
> > cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower [4]
> >
> > [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
> > [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
> > [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
> > [4]: http://bower.io/search
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
> >> folks
> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
> >>> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
> >>
> >>
> >> My experience is this:
> >>
> >> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing to
> >> upgrading a plugin.
> >> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also *not*
> >> willing in upgrading a plugin.
> >>
> >> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy plugin
> >> registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to explain the
> >> minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
> >> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
> >> folks
> >>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
> >>> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
> >>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >>>
> >>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a good
> >>> querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
> >>>
> >>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
> >>>> like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
> >>>> the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
> >>>> with the search params included.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> >>>> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we
> >>>>> could
> >>>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> >>>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> >>>>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details
> >>>>> of
> >>>> the cordova plugins from npm.
> >>>>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Gorkem
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
> >>>>>> browse plugins?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> >>>>>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
> >>>>>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ===================================================================
> >>>>>> === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> ======================================================================
> >>>> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>>>
> >>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
> >>> IBM Software Engineer
> >>> Guadalajara, Jalisco
> >>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>
>
Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Kerri Shotts <ke...@gmail.com>.
+1
I’ve used both Gulp & Yeoman’s search, and prefer both to NPM (although it’s not difficult to be better than NPM’s search).
I also think close association with the brand and site are important. For those users who don’t know about Node & NPM yet, it’s quickly apparent that there’s a large community creating plugins for Cordova, and for everyone else, we have a URL that helps reinforce the Cordova name. NPM would still be canonical, of course.
(Now if NPM improved their search and did some nice work around ecosystems, perhaps the above wouldn’t be necessary. But I’m not going to hold my breath…)
On May 27, 2015 at 8:19:35 AM, Tommy-Carlos Williams (tommy@devgeeks.org) wrote:
+1
> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and filter
> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower [4]
>
> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
>> folks
>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
>>> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>
>>
>> My experience is this:
>>
>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing to
>> upgrading a plugin.
>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also *not*
>> willing in upgrading a plugin.
>>
>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy plugin
>> registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to explain the
>> minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
>> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
>> folks
>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
>>> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>
>>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a good
>>> querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>>>
>>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
>>>> like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
>>>> the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
>>>> with the search params included.)
>>>>
>>>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we
>>>>> could
>>>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
>>>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
>>>>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details
>>>>> of
>>>> the cordova plugins from npm.
>>>>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gorkem
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
>>>>>> browse plugins?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>>>>>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
>>>>>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ===================================================================
>>>>>> === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Tommy-Carlos Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>.
+1
> On 26 May 2015, at 21:44, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and filter
> cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower [4]
>
> [1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
> [2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
> [3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
> [4]: http://bower.io/search
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
>> folks
>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
>>> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>
>>
>> My experience is this:
>>
>> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing to
>> upgrading a plugin.
>> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also *not*
>> willing in upgrading a plugin.
>>
>> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy plugin
>> registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to explain the
>> minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
>> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
>> folks
>>> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
>>> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>
>>> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a good
>>> querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>>>
>>> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
>>>> like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
>>>> the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
>>>> with the search params included.)
>>>>
>>>> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
>>>> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we
>>>>> could
>>>> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
>>>> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
>>>>> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details
>>>>> of
>>>> the cordova plugins from npm.
>>>>> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gorkem
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
>>>>>> browse plugins?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>>>>>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
>>>>>> tell folks to start using the npm site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ===================================================================
>>>>>> === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>>>>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.
I would like to see plugin.cordova.io be a page easy to search and filter
cordova plugins just like gulp [1], grunt [2], yeoman [3] and bower [4]
[1]: http://gulpjs.com/plugins
[2]: http://gruntjs.com/plugins
[3]: http://yeoman.io/generators
[4]: http://bower.io/search
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
wrote:
> >
> > The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
> folks
> > would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
> > only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>
>
> My experience is this:
>
> - A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing to
> upgrading a plugin.
> - A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also *not*
> willing in upgrading a plugin.
>
> I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy plugin
> registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to explain the
> minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
>
> Michael
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of
> folks
> > would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
> > only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >
> > I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a good
> > querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
> >
> > 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
> > > like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
> > > the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
> > > with the search params included.)
> > >
> > > Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> > > <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > > It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we
> > > > could
> > > simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> > > mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> > > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> > > > Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details
> > > > of
> > > the cordova plugins from npm.
> > > > I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> > > > --
> > > > Gorkem
> > > >
> > > > On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
> > > >> browse plugins?
> > > >>
> > > >> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> > > >> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> > > >>
> > > >> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> > > >>
> > > >> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
> > > >> tell folks to start using the npm site?
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> ===================================================================
> > > >> === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> > > >>
> > > >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > >> Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > >>
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> > >
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> > > ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> > >
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> > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
> > IBM Software Engineer
> > Guadalajara, Jalisco
> >
>
Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>.
>
> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of folks
> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
My experience is this:
- A developer who is willing to upgrade a platform is also willing to
upgrading a plugin.
- A developer who is *not* willing to upgrade a platform is also *not*
willing in upgrading a plugin.
I think it's reasonable to offer a read-only state for the legacy plugin
registry. However, it would be helpful for the registry to explain the
minimum Cordova version required to support the npm registry.
Michael
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
> The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of folks
> would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read
> only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
> I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a good
> querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
>
> 2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
>
> > I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
> > like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
> > the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
> > with the search params included.)
> >
> > Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> > <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we
> > > could
> > simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> > mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> > > Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details
> > > of
> > the cordova plugins from npm.
> > > I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> > > --
> > > Gorkem
> > >
> > > On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > >
> > >> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
> > >> browse plugins?
> > >>
> > >> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> > >> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> > >>
> > >> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> > >>
> > >> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
> > >> tell folks to start using the npm site?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> ===================================================================
> > >> === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> > >>
> > >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > >> Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >>
> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@cordova.apache.org
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ======================================================================
> > ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >
> > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > Twitter: raymondcamden
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
> IBM Software Engineer
> Guadalajara, Jalisco
>
RE: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by "Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)" <pa...@microsoft.com>.
The mirroring may not help for search, but my worry is that a lot of folks would still be on 4.3.0 and when cordova plugins registry becomes read only, they would not get bug fixes and other plugin updates.
-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Sosa [mailto:sosah.victor@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:59 AM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a good querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
> like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
> the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
> with the search params included.)
>
> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> > It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we
> > could
> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >
> >
> > What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> > Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details
> > of
> the cordova plugins from npm.
> > I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> > --
> > Gorkem
> >
> > On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >
> >> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to
> >> browse plugins?
> >>
> >> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> >> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> >>
> >> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> >>
> >> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to
> >> tell folks to start using the npm site?
> >>
> >> --
> >> ===================================================================
> >> === ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
> --
> ======================================================================
> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
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>
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IBM Software Engineer
Guadalajara, Jalisco
Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Victor Sosa <so...@gmail.com>.
I don't see a value on mirroring either. Instead I'd like to see a good
querying mechanism in NPM, but for that we have to wait :/
2015-05-01 10:55 GMT-05:00 Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>:
> I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
> like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
> the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
> with the search params included.)
>
> Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
> <pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> > It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we could
> simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a
> mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
> >
> >
> > What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> > Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details of
> the cordova plugins from npm.
> > I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> > --
> > Gorkem
> >
> > On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> >
> >> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse
> >> plugins?
> >>
> >> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> >> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
> >>
> >> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
> >>
> >> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell
> >> folks to start using the npm site?
> >>
> >> --
> >> ======================================================================
> >> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
> >>
> >> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> >> Twitter: raymondcamden
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Raymond Camden <ra...@gmail.com>.
I don't know - if npm is the place, then having a mirror just seems
like noise. I'd say close it down and put a nice text message up on
the site explaining where it is at NPM and how to search. (Link to npm
with the search params included.)
Is there a benefit of having it mirrored?
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)
<pa...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we could simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
>
>
> What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
> Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details of the cordova plugins from npm.
> I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
> --
> Gorkem
>
> On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
>
>> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse
>> plugins?
>>
>> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
>> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>>
>> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>>
>> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell
>> folks to start using the npm site?
>>
>> --
>> ======================================================================
>> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>>
>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
>> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
>> Twitter: raymondcamden
>>
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RE: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by "Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH)" <pa...@microsoft.com>.
It would be even better (for backward compatibility reasons) if we could simply publish on npm, but keep plugins.cordova.io as a mirror/redirector, based on the Cordova registry mapper.
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From: Gorkem Ercan [mailto:gorkem.ercan@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:31 AM
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Subject: Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details of the cordova plugins from npm.
I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
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Gorkem
On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse
> plugins?
>
> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>
> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>
> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell
> folks to start using the npm site?
>
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Re: "Best" place to browse plugins
Posted by Gorkem Ercan <go...@gmail.com>.
What is the plan for plugins.cordova.io for after the CPR is closed?
Without knowing if there is a good way to retrieve the list/details of
the cordova plugins from npm.
I would love it if we could keep it as it is with the data from npm.
--
Gorkem
On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:57, Raymond Camden wrote:
> With plugins at npm now, what is the "best" place for users to browse
> plugins?
>
> Is it at npm, using the search filter?
> https://www.npmjs.com/browse/keyword/ecosystem:cordova
>
> Is it plugins.cordova.io?
>
> If it is npm, will there be text added to plugins.cordova.io to tell
> folks to start using the npm site?
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
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