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Posted to user@lenya.apache.org by Dung Ta Quang <du...@capcom.de> on 2003/06/25 18:26:43 UTC
CMS Some thoughts
Hi,
after playing a bit with Lenya I must say that Lenya is somewhat cool.
It includes almost everything I need and works well. Maybe I've not
tested enough but I'm very impressed.
Nevertherless, I would like to share some concerns about CMS whit you here.
Lenya is (like other Opensource CMS out there) a full blow CMS. It is
not surprising due to its commercial background. But please allow me to
ask the questions:
What ist the most simple CMS?
To avoid patent pending answer like "depends what you want" I would like
to describe the most simple Use case (from my perspective of course):
I use a single non networked computer. I need a CMS because I like to
reuse the content I've produced.
In this simple scenario, I dont need:
- Workflow
- Authentication
But I would need
- multichannel input (XML Editor, OpenOffice, Web Form, etc.)
- multichannel output (PDF, HTML, etc.)
- Maybe Versioning?
- Content structure descriptions (similar to SQL Database scheme).
Perhaps RDF? The concern about is to avoid lock in to a specific CMS
I would be glad to hear your comment, especially: is the scenario simple
enough or it could be more simplified?
Thanks
Taquang
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Wiki (Re: CMS Some thoughts)
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
You seem to be looking for a Wiki.
What Is Wiki
http://wiki.org/wiki.cgi?WhatIsWiki
Wiki Engines
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines
A Wiki is used for Cocoon (http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp). A Wiki
Engine implemented using Cocoon also exists but I have never used it and I
do not know its status:
WikiLand
http://rossel.free.fr/projects/wikiland/
Andreas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dung Ta Quang" <du...@capcom.de>
To: "Lenya Users List" <le...@cocoon.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: CMS Some thoughts
> Hi,
> after playing a bit with Lenya I must say that Lenya is somewhat cool.
> It includes almost everything I need and works well. Maybe I've not
> tested enough but I'm very impressed.
> Nevertherless, I would like to share some concerns about CMS whit you
here.
> Lenya is (like other Opensource CMS out there) a full blow CMS. It is
> not surprising due to its commercial background. But please allow me to
> ask the questions:
> What ist the most simple CMS?
> To avoid patent pending answer like "depends what you want" I would like
> to describe the most simple Use case (from my perspective of course):
> I use a single non networked computer. I need a CMS because I like to
> reuse the content I've produced.
>
> In this simple scenario, I dont need:
> - Workflow
> - Authentication
> But I would need
> - multichannel input (XML Editor, OpenOffice, Web Form, etc.)
> - multichannel output (PDF, HTML, etc.)
> - Maybe Versioning?
> - Content structure descriptions (similar to SQL Database scheme).
> Perhaps RDF? The concern about is to avoid lock in to a specific CMS
>
> I would be glad to hear your comment, especially: is the scenario simple
> enough or it could be more simplified?
>
> Thanks
> Taquang
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Re: CMS Some thoughts
Posted by Dung Ta Quang <du...@capcom.de>.
Hi,
when talking about CMS people often think of website management system
with file upload, preview, publication, multiuser etc. This scenario is
IMO too complex. What I mean is a personal content management system
with the content on my local disk. Then, you can scale it up to meet
other requirements.
Alex McLintock wrote:
> At 18:26 25/06/03 +0200, you wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> after playing a bit with Lenya I must say that Lenya is somewhat
>> cool. It includes almost everything I need and works well. Maybe
>> I've not tested enough but I'm very impressed.
>> Nevertherless, I would like to share some concerns about CMS whit you
>> here.
>> Lenya is (like other Opensource CMS out there) a full blow CMS. It is
>> not surprising due to its commercial background. But please allow me
>> to ask the questions:
>> What ist the most simple CMS?
>> To avoid patent pending answer like "depends what you want" I would
>> like to describe the most simple Use case (from my perspective of
>> course):
>> I use a single non networked computer. I need a CMS because I like
>> to reuse the content I've produced.
>>
>> In this simple scenario, I dont need:
>> - Workflow
>
>
> I think it is wrong to assume you have no workflow. You always have
> some kind of workflow - but it may be so simple as to not need
> anything special. You presumably want to upload documents (or atoms of
> some kind) and preview them before going onto the live site? That is a
> simple work flow.
Yes, everithing could be defined as some form of workflow :-) But here I
would mean a personal workflow that exsists in my head and not need to
be specified as XPDL or something like that. And as mentioned above, the
CMS dont have to be web-based.
>
>
>
>> - Authentication
>
>
>
> Even if the live site is public and requires no passwords presumably
> the editors and contributors do.
What I mean is a single user system with the content on my hard disk.
You just need to login once, on operating system level.
>
>
>
>> But I would need
>> - multichannel input (XML Editor, OpenOffice, Web Form, etc.)
>
>
> OpenOffice input? can anyone write a FAQ/HOW-To for that?
> I don't know if there is a working WebForm input method any more. I
> kind of like it for very simple XML.
Again, webform is not necessery.
>
>
>
>> - multichannel output (PDF, HTML, etc.)
>
>
> Comes with Cocoon as Cocoon does the multiple presentation formats
> *if* you tell it what formats you want.
> (see http://www.gynae.uk.com for html and PDF )
>
>
>> - Maybe Versioning?
>
>
> I am not sure how much versioning is included in Lenya at the moment.
> Can anyone tell me?
> It does have "draft" and "current" though :-)
>
>
>> - Content structure descriptions (similar to SQL Database scheme).
>> Perhaps RDF? The concern about is to avoid lock in to a specific CMS
>
>
>
> Eh?
>
>
>
>
> Just keep asking us what you want - and we will try to tell you. It
> helps us find holes in the documentation.
>
> Alex
>
>
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Re: CMS Some thoughts
Posted by Alex McLintock <al...@owal.co.uk>.
At 18:26 25/06/03 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>after playing a bit with Lenya I must say that Lenya is somewhat cool. It
>includes almost everything I need and works well. Maybe I've not tested
>enough but I'm very impressed.
>Nevertherless, I would like to share some concerns about CMS whit you here.
>Lenya is (like other Opensource CMS out there) a full blow CMS. It is not
>surprising due to its commercial background. But please allow me to ask
>the questions:
>What ist the most simple CMS?
>To avoid patent pending answer like "depends what you want" I would like
>to describe the most simple Use case (from my perspective of course):
>I use a single non networked computer. I need a CMS because I like to
>reuse the content I've produced.
>
>In this simple scenario, I dont need:
>- Workflow
I think it is wrong to assume you have no workflow. You always have some
kind of workflow - but it may be so simple as to not need anything special.
You presumably want to upload documents (or atoms of some kind) and preview
them before going onto the live site? That is a simple work flow.
>- Authentication
Even if the live site is public and requires no passwords presumably the
editors and contributors do.
>But I would need
>- multichannel input (XML Editor, OpenOffice, Web Form, etc.)
OpenOffice input? can anyone write a FAQ/HOW-To for that?
I don't know if there is a working WebForm input method any more. I kind of
like it for very simple XML.
>- multichannel output (PDF, HTML, etc.)
Comes with Cocoon as Cocoon does the multiple presentation formats *if* you
tell it what formats you want.
(see http://www.gynae.uk.com for html and PDF )
>- Maybe Versioning?
I am not sure how much versioning is included in Lenya at the moment. Can
anyone tell me?
It does have "draft" and "current" though :-)
>- Content structure descriptions (similar to SQL Database scheme). Perhaps
>RDF? The concern about is to avoid lock in to a specific CMS
Eh?
Just keep asking us what you want - and we will try to tell you. It helps
us find holes in the documentation.
Alex
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