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[VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Hi,
This mailing list is currently publicly archived, but only open for
Apache committers to subscribe and post to. This list policy was set
by a vote [1] in 2002. I would like to change this list to be open to
everyone just like all our public project mailing lists.
Why? Three reasons: a) the extra moderation settings make it hard for
people to post here [2,3], b) external mail archives can't easily get
updates of recent posts [4], and c) I see no reason to restrict the
Apache "community" to include just the committers. This list is today
very different from what it was in 2002.
So, please vote on changing the settings of this list so that everyone
is free to subscribe or post to this list (only posts from
non-subscribers are moderated, see [5] for details). This majority
vote is open for the next seven days.
[ ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
[ ] -1 Keep the current settings
My vote is +1.
[1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200211.mbox/<3D...@apache.org>
[2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200905.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
[3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200907.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
[4] http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list:org.apache.community
[5] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2127
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Thomas Vandahl <tv...@apache.org>.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> [X] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
> [ ] -1 Keep the current settings
Bye, Thomas.
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by peter royal <pr...@apache.org>.
On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> [ ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
> [ ] -1 Keep the current settings
+1
-pete
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@apache.org>.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> [x] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
>
-jean
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Jukka Zitting<ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [X ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
-Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
On 07/07/2009 11:28 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> [X] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
+1
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Mario Ivankovits<ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> +1
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jukka.zitting@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 07. Juli 2009 23:28
> An: community@apache.org
> Betreff: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
>
> Hi,
>
> This mailing list is currently publicly archived, but only open for
> Apache committers to subscribe and post to. This list policy was set
> by a vote [1] in 2002. I would like to change this list to be open to
> everyone just like all our public project mailing lists.
>
> Why? Three reasons: a) the extra moderation settings make it hard for
> people to post here [2,3], b) external mail archives can't easily get
> updates of recent posts [4], and c) I see no reason to restrict the
> Apache "community" to include just the committers. This list is today
> very different from what it was in 2002.
>
> So, please vote on changing the settings of this list so that everyone
> is free to subscribe or post to this list (only posts from
> non-subscribers are moderated, see [5] for details). This majority
> vote is open for the next seven days.
>
> [ ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
> [ ] -1 Keep the current settings
>
> My vote is +1.
>
> [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200211.mbox/<3D...@apache.org>
> [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200905.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
> [3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200907.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
> [4] http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list:org.apache.community
> [5] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2127
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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AW: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
+1
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jukka.zitting@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 07. Juli 2009 23:28
An: community@apache.org
Betreff: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Hi,
This mailing list is currently publicly archived, but only open for
Apache committers to subscribe and post to. This list policy was set
by a vote [1] in 2002. I would like to change this list to be open to
everyone just like all our public project mailing lists.
Why? Three reasons: a) the extra moderation settings make it hard for
people to post here [2,3], b) external mail archives can't easily get
updates of recent posts [4], and c) I see no reason to restrict the
Apache "community" to include just the committers. This list is today
very different from what it was in 2002.
So, please vote on changing the settings of this list so that everyone
is free to subscribe or post to this list (only posts from
non-subscribers are moderated, see [5] for details). This majority
vote is open for the next seven days.
[ ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
[ ] -1 Keep the current settings
My vote is +1.
[1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200211.mbox/<3D...@apache.org>
[2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200905.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
[3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200907.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
[4] http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list:org.apache.community
[5] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2127
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <rd...@apache.org>.
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Craig L
> Russell<Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
>> What's your plan to avoid spam?
>
> Same as what we use on all our public project mailing lists: Posts
> from non-subscribers still need to pass moderation. I volunteer as a
> moderator.
Ok.
+1
Craig
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Craig L Russell<Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> What's your plan to avoid spam?
Same as what we use on all our public project mailing lists: Posts
from non-subscribers still need to pass moderation. I volunteer as a
moderator.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Jukka,
I agree that community@ should be for the community not just for
committers.
But without moderating the list, it will become a target for spam.
What's your plan to avoid spam?
Craig
On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This mailing list is currently publicly archived, but only open for
> Apache committers to subscribe and post to. This list policy was set
> by a vote [1] in 2002. I would like to change this list to be open to
> everyone just like all our public project mailing lists.
>
> Why? Three reasons: a) the extra moderation settings make it hard for
> people to post here [2,3], b) external mail archives can't easily get
> updates of recent posts [4], and c) I see no reason to restrict the
> Apache "community" to include just the committers. This list is today
> very different from what it was in 2002.
>
> So, please vote on changing the settings of this list so that everyone
> is free to subscribe or post to this list (only posts from
> non-subscribers are moderated, see [5] for details). This majority
> vote is open for the next seven days.
>
> [ ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
> [ ] -1 Keep the current settings
>
> My vote is +1.
>
> [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200211.mbox/
> <3D...@apache.org>
> [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200905.mbox/
> <51...@mail.gmail.com>
> [3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200907.mbox/
> <51...@mail.gmail.com>
> [4] http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list:org.apache.community
> [5] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2127
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me.
-- dims
On 07/07/2009 05:28 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This mailing list is currently publicly archived, but only open for
> Apache committers to subscribe and post to. This list policy was set
> by a vote [1] in 2002. I would like to change this list to be open to
> everyone just like all our public project mailing lists.
>
> Why? Three reasons: a) the extra moderation settings make it hard for
> people to post here [2,3], b) external mail archives can't easily get
> updates of recent posts [4], and c) I see no reason to restrict the
> Apache "community" to include just the committers. This list is today
> very different from what it was in 2002.
>
> So, please vote on changing the settings of this list so that everyone
> is free to subscribe or post to this list (only posts from
> non-subscribers are moderated, see [5] for details). This majority
> vote is open for the next seven days.
>
> [ ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
> [ ] -1 Keep the current settings
>
> My vote is +1.
>
> [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200211.mbox/<3D...@apache.org>
> [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200905.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
> [3] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-community/200907.mbox/<51...@mail.gmail.com>
> [4] http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list:org.apache.community
> [5] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2127
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Santiago Gala <sg...@apache.org>.
El mié, 08-07-2009 a las 10:54 +0200, Jukka Zitting escribió:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Justin Erenkrantz<ju...@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
> > The ASF does not have public lists that are not backed by either a PMC
> > or a committee.
> >
> > As long as the subscription and posting was restricted to committers,
> > then the list did not require active oversight. Yet, once a list
> > becomes open for all to join and post, then it requires active
> > oversight in the form of a backing PMC or committee.
>
> OK. Assuming this vote passes, I'll ask either Infra or PRC to take up
> oversight of this list. I'll also volunteer to act as the eyes and
> ears of that committee on this list if needed.
>
+1 on the list being "standard" and
+1 on the PRC having oversight on the community@ list. I volunteer as
moderator too.
I prefer PRC having a role in a community list to infra, as infra is
more into technical infrastructure and has already a couple lists, while
PRC has only public "entries", but no public fori for community
questions. It should help the community flavour of PRC, other than press
and sponsorship "flavours" of it :)
Regards
Santiago, hoping that this email will pass through...
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Justin Erenkrantz<ju...@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
> The ASF does not have public lists that are not backed by either a PMC
> or a committee.
>
> As long as the subscription and posting was restricted to committers,
> then the list did not require active oversight. Yet, once a list
> becomes open for all to join and post, then it requires active
> oversight in the form of a backing PMC or committee.
OK. Assuming this vote passes, I'll ask either Infra or PRC to take up
oversight of this list. I'll also volunteer to act as the eyes and
ears of that committee on this list if needed.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Jukka Zitting<ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [ ] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
> [X] -1 Keep the current settings
The ASF does not have public lists that are not backed by either a PMC
or a committee.
As long as the subscription and posting was restricted to committers,
then the list did not require active oversight. Yet, once a list
becomes open for all to join and post, then it requires active
oversight in the form of a backing PMC or committee.
Cheers. -- justin
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Jukka Zitting<ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [X] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
/niklas
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jukka Zitting<ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There seems to be lazy consensus from PRC (judged by who responded on
> prc@), but I'll confirm that before getting the list settings changed.
> If PRC doesn't want to do this, then I'll ask infra or as a last
> resort turn to the board.
This list is now open to everyone with Infra as the overseeing body.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
[responding a bit late as I'm currently on vacation and mostly offline]
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman<no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> -1 from me for the simple reason that you failed (as far as I can tell) to
> get the PRC to approve your volunteering of that committee for the new
> oversight arrangement.
There seems to be lazy consensus from PRC (judged by who responded on
prc@), but I'll confirm that before getting the list settings changed.
If PRC doesn't want to do this, then I'll ask infra or as a last
resort turn to the board.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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RE: [RESULT] [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
-1 from me for the simple reason that you failed (as far as I can tell) to
get the PRC to approve your volunteering of that committee for the new
oversight arrangement.
We cannot just volunteer other PMCs; they have to agree. And we cannot
declare a matter closed when the newly responsible entity has not agreed to
take that responsibility.
+1 once there IS an oversight arrangment in accordance with ASF
requirements.
--- Noel
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[RESULT] [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Jukka Zitting<ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, please vote on changing the settings of this list so that everyone
> is free to subscribe or post to this list (only posts from
> non-subscribers are moderated, see [5] for details). This majority
> vote is open for the next seven days.
We have 16 +1s:
+1 Bertrand Delacretaz
+1 Craig L Russell
+1 Davanum Srinivas
+1 Jean T. Anderson
+1 Jean-Frederic Clere
+1 John H. Embretsen
+1 Jukka Zitting
+1 Mario Ivankovits
+1 Mat Hogstrom
+1 Matthias Wessendorf
+1 Niclas Gustavsson
+1 Niclas Hedhman
+1 Peter Royal
+1 Robert Burrell Donkin
+1 Santiago Gala
+1 Thomas Vandahl
And one -1:
-1 Justin Erenkrantz
Justin had a valid point about this list having no active oversight by
a PMC or another committee. Based on the vote result I will ask the
PRC to take up oversight of this list.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
> [X] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
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Re: [VOTE] Change community@ list settings
Posted by "John H. Embretsen" <jo...@apache.org>.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> So, please vote on changing the settings of this list so that everyone
> is free to subscribe or post to this list (only posts from
> non-subscribers are moderated, see [5] for details). This majority
> vote is open for the next seven days.
>
> [X] +1 Change list settings (allow anyone to subscribe or post)
+1
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