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[DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Greetings,
We'd like to start a discussion on accepting the Weex, a UI framework for
cross-platform mobile application development, into the Apache Incubator!
Here's a link to the proposal in the Incubator wiki:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WeexProposal
The text of the proposal is included below.
Thanks,
Edward
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= Weex Proposal =
== Abstract ==
Weex is a framework for building Mobile cross-platform high performance UI.
Weex enables developers to use Web-like syntax to build iOS, Android and Web
UI with a single codebase.
== Proposal ==
Weex provide an uniform Web-like syntax for develop native Mobile App UI. By
leverage the Javascript engine that enable dynamic update, the process of
App interfce and content update can be simple and controllable just like
Web.Compared with WebView based UI framework which performance are limited,
Weex use build-in native components instead.
Because of tag based syntax that maintain a consistent style with Web
standards Weex using. Developers write in this language just like writting
in HTML. After transforming to JSBundle by Weex tools, these tags will be
rendered by build-in platform-specific components. The logic part of Weex
syntax write in Javascript which don't need be compiled control these
components.
The vision of Weex is to complement gap between platform-specific Native UI
and Web technical based UI in Mobile age. The team behind Weex believe that
dynamicly interface update and high performance should be achieved at the
same time when people develop a Mobile App. Meanwhile duplicate work between
the different platforms should be avoided.
== Background ==
Prior to Weex, in order to develop high performance mobile application we
need write at least three different codebase(iOS, Android, Mobile Web) or
adopt WebView based UI technique(Apache Cordova for example) which can't
satisfy the demand for performance.
A special task force at Alibaba Inc try to provide a solution for this
problem has been setup since 2013. At first the team release a
cross-platform rendering engine which render a special format JSON to native
components on different platform. To output this JSON file the team had
build a website which other developer can use to simply design final
interface.
Although This solution had worked for a while, we found it not able to meet
our UI developer's habits. Most of our UI developer have Web background
which make them used to use tag based language to design App interface.
Meanwhile we found the JSON file lacks of enough flexibility. The following
discussion inspire we start to develop Weex.
Nowaday, Mobile Taobao App which developed by Alibaba Inc, the largest user
volume eCommerce App in China has adapted Weex in a lot of UI. In the latest
November 11th promotions(Alibaba's annual Singles' Day online shopping
event), UI developers from Alibaba Inc have build more then 1,500 pages
using Weex, 99.6% of all the promotional pages. The ratio of less than one
second page open time is more than 90%, the frame rate is 53.0~58.5(depend
on device) due to the high performance of Weex. In addition to user
experience improvement, the productivity of page development and the
efficiency of content delivery both have been improved.
After open-source and have get a lot of followers in chinese mobile App
development community, several of popular Apps listed on chinese top charts
have adopted or planning for adopt Weex.(UCWeb, Tmall, YouKu, Suning etc...)
== Current Status ==
Weex has become an open source project since June 2016. It has been used at
a lot of Alibaba producted mobile softwares which running on the mobile
phone of millions of users.
Weex code repository located at GitHub. All development activities have
already happened on GitHub as open source manner.
== Community ==
The community surrounding Weex is a variety of developer which have
different technique background.iOS, Android, Web developer must collaborate
closely to implement most Weex feature.
Currently total 61 contributors involved in the GitHub development process.
Weex repository has received 791 pull requests until Nov 2016.
Beyond committer from Alibaba Inc, Weex community welcome anybody join us.
Nowaday Evan You from Vue Technology LLC, Wang Run Xiang from Aipai Inc and
lots of GitHub users have contributed source code or document to Weex.
Weex syntax is inspired a lot from Web framework Vue.js. For better future
of both Weex&Vue.js, we have cooperated with Vue.js community from begin of
Weex. The main author of Vue.js Evan You have became committer & mentor of
Weex in the first half of 2016.
At the time of this writing (Nov 2016) Weex GitHub star number is 8249,
watch number is 1841, fork number is 1090.
Weex use GitHub issue for problem tracking and technical discussion.
Currently 813 issues have been submited, 756 of them have been solved.
== Initial Developer ==
* BryantWu huazjxy@gmail.com (Alibaba Inc)
* LuicsXu luics.xu@gmail.com (iOS/Android, Alibaba Inc)
* Jin-JiangZhao zhaojinjiang@me.com (Web/Node , Alibaba Inc)
* Tai-ChengHuang iskenhuang@gmail.com (Web/Node, Alibaba Inc)
* FengYin cxfeng1@gmail.com (iOS, Alibaba Inc)
* YuanYin zshshr@sina.com (Android, Alibaba Inc)
* BobNing ningli928@1 6 3.com (iOS, Alibaba Inc)
* WeiZheng sospartan@gmail.com (Android, Alibaba Inc)
* YorkShen shenyuancs@gmail.com (Android, Alibaba Inc)
* SaiHe tekkahs@gmail.com (Web, Alibaba Inc)
* BonoLv lvscar@gmail.com (Web/Node, Alibaba Inc)
* GurisXie 279483595@qq.com (Testing, Alibaba Inc)
* AtomTong tong_huabing@qq.com (Testing, Alibaba Inc)
== Meritocracy ==
The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
user community around Weex following the ASF meritocracy model.After Weex
becoming an OpenSource project, we have been working to make an open
governance structure for project leadership to encourage individual and
company involvement and contributions.
== Alignment ==
The Weex community believes that the Apache Software Foundation promotes and
enforces the sort of community that will best serve the future of the
project. It is also believed that Weex can enhance the ASF by expand the
technical scope of ASF in Mobile age.
== Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
We think Weex is an effective supplement to Apache Cordova. Both Apache
Cordova and Weex help developer for leveraging Web development technique in
Mobile age. Boot developer the ability of delivering consistent content to
different platform. With our sincere heart and determination to open source,
we will always keep an open mind for Apache community.
== Known Risks ==
=== Difficult to refuse platform-specific features ===
"Write Once Run Everywhere" is one of original goal of Weex. But as Weex
provides more feature, we have received more suggestions for implement
single platform exclusive feature.
=== Inexperience with build international community ===
Although we are full of passion about build a successful Opensource project
and a community, Weex initial team lack of experience about participate in
international community. After consulting with our mentors, we know modesty
will be our code of conduct in Apache community.
=== Homogeneous and Reliance on salaried developers ===
Since the Weex Project has been mainly developed to date by Alibaba Inc, the
vast majority of initial committers to the project are from Alibaba Mobile
engineering team. As an Opensource project, Weex project has received lots
bug fixes and enhancements from other developers(not Alibaba Employee). We
will continue to encourage more independent developers to participate in
Weex.
We know Apache Way is about people, not corporations. After Weex developer
community grows, we hope the contribution ratio from Alibaba salaried
developer will decrease.
== Source Code ==
* Main repository: https://github.com/alibaba/weex
* Weex transformer: https://github.com/weexteam/weex-transformer
* Weex toolkit: https://github.com/weexteam/weex-toolkit
* Weex loader: https://github.com/weexteam/weex-loader
* Gulp Weex: https://github.com/weexteam/gulp-weex
== Documentation ==
* English Document: http://alibaba.github.io/weex/doc/
* Chinese Document(English first, currently only partially docs have been
translate to Chinese): https://github.com/weexteam/article/wiki/Weex$BCfJ8J8[c(B
== External Dependencies ==
* semver(http://semver.org/) developed by Tom Preston-Werner, licensed
under the Creative Commons - CC BY 3.0 License.
* core-js(https://github.com/zloirock/core-js) developed by Denis
Pushkarev, licensed under the MIT License.
* vuejs(https://github.com/vuejs/vue) developed by Yuxi Evan You , licensed
under the MIT License.
* scroll-to (https://github.com/component/scroll-to) developed by
TooTallNate, licensed under the MIT License.
* Chrome V8(https://developers.google.com/v8/) developed by Google Inc & V8
project authors, licensed under BSD License.
* css-layout(https://github.com/facebook/css-layout) developed by Facebook
Inc., licensed under the BSD License.
== Required Resources ==
* Mailing Lists
* private@weex.incubator.apache.org
* dev@weex.incubator.apache.org
* commits@weex.incubator.apache.org
* Git Repos
* https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/weex.git
* Issue Tracking
* JIRA Weex (WEEX)
* Continuous Integration
* Jenkins builds on https://builds.apache.org/
* Web
* http://weex.incubator.apache.org/
* wiki at http://cwiki.apache.org
== Sponsors ==
=== Champion ===
* Edward J. Yoon (ASF member, Apache Hama)
=== Nominated Mentors ===
* Luke Han (Apache Kylin)
* Longda Feng (Apache Storm)
* Willem Jiang (Apache Camel)
== Sponsoring Entity ==
* The Apache Incubator
== Next Goals ==
* License all Weex source code and documentation to the Apache Software
Foundation. (We already using Apache license for our main code repository)
* Setup and standardize the open governance of the Weex Project.
* Move Weex development activity to Apache infrastructure ( Git repository,
Mail list )
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Myrle Krantz <mk...@mifos.org>.
Hi Bono,
As a proficient non-native German speaker, and as a woman who has lived in
German for 17 years:
German's don't get offended about this topic, only amused. And the
pronunciation is not identical. The German word Markus is referring to is
pronounced with a short "i" (sort of like the wick of a candle).
In any case, if you're very attached to the name, I wouldn't change it for
this reason. Just be aware you're going to get some chuckles from Germans
occasionally.
Greets,
Myrle
*Myrle Krantz*
Solutions Architect
RɅĐɅЯ, The Mifos Initiative
mkrantz@mifos.org | Skype: mkrantz.mifos.org | http://mifos.org
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Bono Lv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks @Bertrand @Markus @Richard @Luke and @Edward
>
>
> This is the most awkward time in the project life cycle. We feel dizzy
> because "Lost in Translation" ;-)
>
>
> The source of the project name is about the common pain of our team members
> in earlier days. So short the development iteration period , we don't have
> enough time always. One day one of our initial team member Jin-Jiang Zhao
> recited a sentence unintentionally "the boss give us few weeks, so we give
> him Weex" . All of us like the name (non of us familiar with German at that
> time , pitiful ), so we named the project Weex.
>
>
> After that, this name have accompanied us for two years. For lots of team
> members, the project name is the highest number of daily repetitions
> English word in a long time.
>
>
> Change project's name is not a easy decision for us as Longda's previous
> reply mentioned. But as prepared Apache way learner and humble
> international community member, we know the value of respect other culture.
> We don't want native German speaker feel embarrassed or offend when they
> start learning the project or working depend on the project.
>
>
> So, We are keeping open minded on the name issue after multi times
> difficult discussion this day. At the same time we need to do some
> evaluation about the burden size and risk of rename.
>
>
> We need a few days for the evaluation, but welcome everybody give us
> suggestion or reply your opinion, Thanks & Vielen Dank.
>
>
> @Markus In your reply ,your have written
>
>
> “Given that Weex is pronounced with a long 'i', it could lead to some fun
> situations.”
>
>
> Can you tell us more about the situation ? Is it the same thing like short
> ‘I’ pronunciation sounded NSFW ?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Feng Longda <hu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > ...Changing project's name is not a easy decision...
> >
> > If you think you'll change, the earlier the better.
> >
> > -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...unless somebody really plans to veto the incubation proposal due to this
> very minor linguistic issue and considering the fact that the project has
> some history and is already publicly known under this name I would drop
> this issue...
An incubation proposal cannot be vetoed.
A project name could be rejected by the Board when graduating if we
feel it puts the foundation at risk.
A blatant trademark problem might do that, a name that's not
politically correct in some regions won't.
Such name warnings at the beginning of incubation are good IMO as the
further the project progresses the harder it gets to change its name.
In this case, the decision is in the hands of the incoming podling and
its mentors - the comments in this thread should be considered
friendly advice, nothing more.
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Sounds good to me.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM Edward J. Yoon <ed...@samsung.com>
wrote:
> Okay, if there is no more feedback then I'll send out a VOTE thread
> tomorrow.
> :-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hedhman@gmail.com [mailto:hedhman@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Niclas
> Hedhman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:07 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
>
> Additional note to Weex community; Beside everything discussed, there is
> nothing impossible about changing name during or even after incubation.
> Apache Zest is discussing a name change right now, as Eclipse Zest was
> missed in the name search previously and we want to avoid the name clash.
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > ...Whether it means something funny in $language, who cares... :)
> >
> > We don't really care at the ASF or Incubator PMC level but it's fair
> > to warn people when that happens.
> >
> > It's like when you're traveling, it's good to know in advance if your
> > name means something funny in that country...to be prepared for
> > people's reactions when you say your name ;-)
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
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RE: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@samsung.com>.
Okay, if there is no more feedback then I'll send out a VOTE thread tomorrow.
:-)
Thanks!
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Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon
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From: hedhman@gmail.com [mailto:hedhman@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Niclas Hedhman
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:07 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Additional note to Weex community; Beside everything discussed, there is
nothing impossible about changing name during or even after incubation.
Apache Zest is discussing a name change right now, as Eclipse Zest was
missed in the name search previously and we want to avoid the name clash.
Cheers
Niclas
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > ...Whether it means something funny in $language, who cares... :)
>
> We don't really care at the ASF or Incubator PMC level but it's fair
> to warn people when that happens.
>
> It's like when you're traveling, it's good to know in advance if your
> name means something funny in that country...to be prepared for
> people's reactions when you say your name ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
Additional note to Weex community; Beside everything discussed, there is
nothing impossible about changing name during or even after incubation.
Apache Zest is discussing a name change right now, as Eclipse Zest was
missed in the name search previously and we want to avoid the name clash.
Cheers
Niclas
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > ...Whether it means something funny in $language, who cares... :)
>
> We don't really care at the ASF or Incubator PMC level but it's fair
> to warn people when that happens.
>
> It's like when you're traveling, it's good to know in advance if your
> name means something funny in that country...to be prepared for
> people's reactions when you say your name ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Whether it means something funny in $language, who cares... :)
We don't really care at the ASF or Incubator PMC level but it's fair
to warn people when that happens.
It's like when you're traveling, it's good to know in advance if your
name means something funny in that country...to be prepared for
people's reactions when you say your name ;-)
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
What we are concerned with is whether the name clashes with other
projects or have other potential branding issues. Whether it means
something funny in $language, who cares... :)
I think Weex is just fine. Let's move on.
With regards,
Daniel.
On 11/22/2016 02:44 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> Not long ago we had a thread here about English being the work language on
> Apache.
>
> We can't expect projects to check (and change) their name based on such
> loose criteria.
>
> I bet a lot of names come "close" to some slang word in some world language.
>
> Bertrand's remark seems reasonable to me:
>
>> the comments in this thread should be considered
> friendly advice, nothing more.
>
> So there is no incubation-impacting decision to be made here.
>
> �n mar., 22 nov. 2016 la 15:03 Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>
> a scris:
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> How can the project name be a problem when "weex" sounds to me like the
>> very common English word *weeks*?
>
> Depends on the language. In german, it's close to a slang word for
> "masturbation", Not sufficiently close, IMO, to cause problems, but
> others may have a different point of view.
>
>
> Jochen
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>.
Not long ago we had a thread here about English being the work language on
Apache.
We can't expect projects to check (and change) their name based on such
loose criteria.
I bet a lot of names come "close" to some slang word in some world language.
Bertrand's remark seems reasonable to me:
> the comments in this thread should be considered
friendly advice, nothing more.
So there is no incubation-impacting decision to be made here.
În mar., 22 nov. 2016 la 15:03 Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>
a scris:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> How can the project name be a problem when "weex" sounds to me like the
> very common English word *weeks*?
Depends on the language. In german, it's close to a slang word for
"masturbation", Not sufficiently close, IMO, to cause problems, but
others may have a different point of view.
Jochen
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How can the project name be a problem when "weex" sounds to me like the
> very common English word *weeks*?
Depends on the language. In german, it's close to a slang word for
"masturbation", Not sufficiently close, IMO, to cause problems, but
others may have a different point of view.
Jochen
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
How can the project name be a problem when "weex" sounds to me like the
very common English word *weeks*?
So unless somebody really plans to veto the incubation proposal due to this
very minor linguistic issue and considering the fact that the project has
some history and is already publicly known under this name I would drop
this issue.
--emi
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Bono Lv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...We need a few days for the evaluation, but welcome everybody give us
> > suggestion...
>
> There's no hurry but as I said if you're going to change the name, the
> sooner the better as it gets harder the more the project progresses.
>
> From the ASF's side I think the only hard requirement is that the name
> be acceptable in terms of trademarks - where there's a (small,
> debatable) potential for confusion with wix.com.
>
> From a "marketing" point of view having a name that's unfortunate in a
> common language is not good.
>
> Vielen Dank ;-)
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Bono Lv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...We need a few days for the evaluation, but welcome everybody give us
> suggestion...
There's no hurry but as I said if you're going to change the name, the
sooner the better as it gets harder the more the project progresses.
From the ASF's side I think the only hard requirement is that the name
be acceptable in terms of trademarks - where there's a (small,
debatable) potential for confusion with wix.com.
From a "marketing" point of view having a name that's unfortunate in a
common language is not good.
Vielen Dank ;-)
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bono Lv <lv...@gmail.com>.
Thanks @Bertrand @Markus @Richard @Luke and @Edward
This is the most awkward time in the project life cycle. We feel dizzy
because "Lost in Translation" ;-)
The source of the project name is about the common pain of our team members
in earlier days. So short the development iteration period , we don't have
enough time always. One day one of our initial team member Jin-Jiang Zhao
recited a sentence unintentionally "the boss give us few weeks, so we give
him Weex" . All of us like the name (non of us familiar with German at that
time , pitiful ), so we named the project Weex.
After that, this name have accompanied us for two years. For lots of team
members, the project name is the highest number of daily repetitions
English word in a long time.
Change project's name is not a easy decision for us as Longda's previous
reply mentioned. But as prepared Apache way learner and humble
international community member, we know the value of respect other culture.
We don't want native German speaker feel embarrassed or offend when they
start learning the project or working depend on the project.
So, We are keeping open minded on the name issue after multi times
difficult discussion this day. At the same time we need to do some
evaluation about the burden size and risk of rename.
We need a few days for the evaluation, but welcome everybody give us
suggestion or reply your opinion, Thanks & Vielen Dank.
@Markus In your reply ,your have written
“Given that Weex is pronounced with a long 'i', it could lead to some fun
situations.”
Can you tell us more about the situation ? Is it the same thing like short
‘I’ pronunciation sounded NSFW ?
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> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Feng Longda <hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...Changing project's name is not a easy decision...
>
> If you think you'll change, the earlier the better.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Feng Longda <hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Changing project's name is not a easy decision...
If you think you'll change, the earlier the better.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Feng Longda <hu...@gmail.com>.
Changing project's name is not a easy decision, especially it will
destroy the compatibility, all of SDK package namespace will switch to
a new one, A lot of the client applications need to be modified.
Later, BonoLv will raise one thread to discuss changing the project's name.
2016-11-22 12:20 GMT+08:00 BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com>:
> Thanks @John
> We have updated the proposal . The information of mentors section was
> rewritten using format learned from JuneauProposal.
>
> The two Github organization and multi-repository problem is caused by the
> following fact:
>
> At first we have followed the tradition of Alibaba open source community to
> setup main repository in the group's Github organization(
> https://github.com/alibaba) but after rapid expansion of Weex project ,we
> have felt that single repository is not enough for the versatile project.
> Meanwhile the group's Github organization is not suitable for setup
> multi-repository for one project, so we have created another organization(
> https://github.com/weexteam) on Github.
>
> If we cloud transfer to the Apache code infrastructure and the community
> support multi-repository situation , I think we can use weex-for / weex-bar
> etc... for repository names.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 9:38 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:23 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:08 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
>> > bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:31 AM, BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > ...Longda is very warmhearted in helping us to learn the Apache way.
>> > We hope
>> > > his application will be successful...
>> >
>> > Experienced Apache community members are welcome as informal mentors
>> > in any podling where their experience is relevant.
>> >
>> > They just won't be listed as a mentor as far as the Incubator PMC is
>> > concerned, but in practice their role can be quite similar.
>> >
>> >
>> > Juneau did this recentily with Stian - please take a look at our proposal
>> > to see how we listed him for example
>> >
>> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JuneauProposal
>> >
>> > Which now looking at the proposal page looks perfect. Thanks!
>> >
>> > RE this proposal - I would like to see the mentor's apache projects
>> > skipped, not sure how its relevant. Each is involved in many projects.
>> >
>> > RE git repo - you have a few listed as initial sources. Would you expect
>> > each to be migrated to ASF infra? Or just one repo?
>> >
>>
>> Sorry - in addition, you have 4 repos listed from the weex organization in
>> github (plus one from alibaba), what happens to the rest at
>> https://github.com/weexteam ?
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com>.
Thanks @John
We have updated the proposal . The information of mentors section was
rewritten using format learned from JuneauProposal.
The two Github organization and multi-repository problem is caused by the
following fact:
At first we have followed the tradition of Alibaba open source community to
setup main repository in the group's Github organization(
https://github.com/alibaba) but after rapid expansion of Weex project ,we
have felt that single repository is not enough for the versatile project.
Meanwhile the group's Github organization is not suitable for setup
multi-repository for one project, so we have created another organization(
https://github.com/weexteam) on Github.
If we cloud transfer to the Apache code infrastructure and the community
support multi-repository situation , I think we can use weex-for / weex-bar
etc... for repository names.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 9:38 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:23 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:08 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:31 AM, BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ...Longda is very warmhearted in helping us to learn the Apache way.
> > We hope
> > > his application will be successful...
> >
> > Experienced Apache community members are welcome as informal mentors
> > in any podling where their experience is relevant.
> >
> > They just won't be listed as a mentor as far as the Incubator PMC is
> > concerned, but in practice their role can be quite similar.
> >
> >
> > Juneau did this recentily with Stian - please take a look at our proposal
> > to see how we listed him for example
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JuneauProposal
> >
> > Which now looking at the proposal page looks perfect. Thanks!
> >
> > RE this proposal - I would like to see the mentor's apache projects
> > skipped, not sure how its relevant. Each is involved in many projects.
> >
> > RE git repo - you have a few listed as initial sources. Would you expect
> > each to be migrated to ASF infra? Or just one repo?
> >
>
> Sorry - in addition, you have 4 repos listed from the weex organization in
> github (plus one from alibaba), what happens to the rest at
> https://github.com/weexteam ?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:23 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:08 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:31 AM, BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...Longda is very warmhearted in helping us to learn the Apache way.
> We hope
> > his application will be successful...
>
> Experienced Apache community members are welcome as informal mentors
> in any podling where their experience is relevant.
>
> They just won't be listed as a mentor as far as the Incubator PMC is
> concerned, but in practice their role can be quite similar.
>
>
> Juneau did this recentily with Stian - please take a look at our proposal
> to see how we listed him for example
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JuneauProposal
>
> Which now looking at the proposal page looks perfect. Thanks!
>
> RE this proposal - I would like to see the mentor's apache projects
> skipped, not sure how its relevant. Each is involved in many projects.
>
> RE git repo - you have a few listed as initial sources. Would you expect
> each to be migrated to ASF infra? Or just one repo?
>
Sorry - in addition, you have 4 repos listed from the weex organization in
github (plus one from alibaba), what happens to the rest at
https://github.com/weexteam ?
>
>
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:08 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:31 AM, BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...Longda is very warmhearted in helping us to learn the Apache way.
> We hope
> > his application will be successful...
>
> Experienced Apache community members are welcome as informal mentors
> in any podling where their experience is relevant.
>
> They just won't be listed as a mentor as far as the Incubator PMC is
> concerned, but in practice their role can be quite similar.
>
Juneau did this recentily with Stian - please take a look at our proposal
to see how we listed him for example
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JuneauProposal
Which now looking at the proposal page looks perfect. Thanks!
RE this proposal - I would like to see the mentor's apache projects
skipped, not sure how its relevant. Each is involved in many projects.
RE git repo - you have a few listed as initial sources. Would you expect
each to be migrated to ASF infra? Or just one repo?
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:31 AM, BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Longda is very warmhearted in helping us to learn the Apache way. We hope
> his application will be successful...
Experienced Apache community members are welcome as informal mentors
in any podling where their experience is relevant.
They just won't be listed as a mentor as far as the Incubator PMC is
concerned, but in practice their role can be quite similar.
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by BonoLv <lv...@gmail.com>.
The Weex proposal have modified to update the mentors section . Thanks
@Bertrand
Longda is very warmhearted in helping us to learn the Apache way. We hope
his application will be successful.
I'm Bono Lv from Weex team(one of initial developer) , Thanks all of you
for interest in the project ;-)
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Feng Longda <hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Niclas @Stephan
>
> Sorry for missing you in the mentors list. Later, we will add you two
> into the mentors list.
> I have added your two guys into proposal two month ago, but in the
> last several weeks, we have discussed a lot of things about proposal,
> this section has been overwrite. Sorry for that.
>
> @Bertrand
> Right now, I am informal mentor of Weex project, Later, we will mark
> me as informal.
> But in the next step, I will try to apply to be IPMC.
>
> Thanks
> Longda
>
> 2016-11-21 16:18 GMT+08:00 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>:
> > I volunteer as mentor. I have been a bit inactive of the Weex proposal,
> but
> > my recent addition to the Incubator PMC was for this purpose.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Niclas
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon
> >> <ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
> >> > === Nominated Mentors ===
> >> ...
> >> > * Longda Feng (Apache Storm)
> >> ....
> >>
> >> As per http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=longda Longda
> >> doesn't seem to be an Incubator PMC member - that's required for being
> >> a mentor.
> >>
> >> -Bertrand
> >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Feng Longda <hu...@gmail.com>.
@Niclas @Stephan
Sorry for missing you in the mentors list. Later, we will add you two
into the mentors list.
I have added your two guys into proposal two month ago, but in the
last several weeks, we have discussed a lot of things about proposal,
this section has been overwrite. Sorry for that.
@Bertrand
Right now, I am informal mentor of Weex project, Later, we will mark
me as informal.
But in the next step, I will try to apply to be IPMC.
Thanks
Longda
2016-11-21 16:18 GMT+08:00 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>:
> I volunteer as mentor. I have been a bit inactive of the Weex proposal, but
> my recent addition to the Incubator PMC was for this purpose.
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon
>> <ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
>> > === Nominated Mentors ===
>> ...
>> > * Longda Feng (Apache Storm)
>> ....
>>
>> As per http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=longda Longda
>> doesn't seem to be an Incubator PMC member - that's required for being
>> a mentor.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@apache.org>.
Great, thanks for volunteering, Niclas!
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> I volunteer as mentor. I have been a bit inactive of the Weex proposal, but
> my recent addition to the Incubator PMC was for this purpose.
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon
>> <ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
>> > === Nominated Mentors ===
>> ...
>> > * Longda Feng (Apache Storm)
>> ....
>>
>> As per http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=longda Longda
>> doesn't seem to be an Incubator PMC member - that's required for being
>> a mentor.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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>
>
> --
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> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
I volunteer as mentor. I have been a bit inactive of the Weex proposal, but
my recent addition to the Incubator PMC was for this purpose.
Cheers
Niclas
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon
> <ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
> > === Nominated Mentors ===
> ...
> > * Longda Feng (Apache Storm)
> ....
>
> As per http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=longda Longda
> doesn't seem to be an Incubator PMC member - that's required for being
> a mentor.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon
<ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
> === Nominated Mentors ===
...
> * Longda Feng (Apache Storm)
....
As per http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=longda Longda
doesn't seem to be an Incubator PMC member - that's required for being
a mentor.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Luke Han <lu...@gmail.com>.
In that case, I think a new project name will better for next step.
Best Regards!
---------------------
Luke Han
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Richard S. Hall <he...@ungoverned.org>
wrote:
> Given that wix.com gets by with the name, I'm not sure it
> matters...there's probably more of a concern over confusion with Wix than
> it referring to masturbation in German... :-)
>
>
>
> On 11/21/16 09:04 , Markus Geiß wrote:
>
>> Hey ... I'm a native German speaker too ...
>>
>> The referenced word is pronounced with a short 'i' and is referring to
>> something a boy would do alone at night ...
>>
>> Given that Weex is pronounced with a long 'i', it could lead to some fun
>> situations.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org]
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 02:55 PM
>> To: Incubator General <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@samsung.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...We'd like to start a discussion on accepting the Weex...
>>>
>> A native German speaker tells me Weex means or sounds something between
>> LOL and NSFW in German - if that's correct that's probably not a good name
>> for an Apache project.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by "Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>.
Given that wix.com gets by with the name, I'm not sure it
matters...there's probably more of a concern over confusion with Wix
than it referring to masturbation in German... :-)
On 11/21/16 09:04 , Markus Gei� wrote:
> Hey ... I'm a native German speaker too ...
>
> The referenced word is pronounced with a short 'i' and is referring to something a boy would do alone at night ...
>
> Given that Weex is pronounced with a long 'i', it could lead to some fun situations.
>
> Cheers
>
> Markus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 02:55 PM
> To: Incubator General <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
>> ...We'd like to start a discussion on accepting the Weex...
> A native German speaker tells me Weex means or sounds something between LOL and NSFW in German - if that's correct that's probably not a good name for an Apache project.
>
> -Bertrand
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RE: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@samsung.com>.
I personally felt that Weex is suggestive of "we ex-"., and thought not bad
for UI/UX project. e.g., We experience, We experts, ...
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From: Markus Gei [mailto:markus.geiss@live.de]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 11:04 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Hey ... I'm a native German speaker too ...
The referenced word is pronounced with a short 'i' and is referring to
something a boy would do alone at night ...
Given that Weex is pronounced with a long 'i', it could lead to some fun
situations.
Cheers
Markus
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From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 02:55 PM
To: Incubator General <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@samsung.com>
wrote:
> ...We'd like to start a discussion on accepting the Weex...
A native German speaker tells me Weex means or sounds something between LOL
and NSFW in German - if that's correct that's probably not a good name for an
Apache project.
-Bertrand
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RE: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Markus Geiß <ma...@live.de>.
Hey ... I'm a native German speaker too ...
The referenced word is pronounced with a short 'i' and is referring to something a boy would do alone at night ...
Given that Weex is pronounced with a long 'i', it could lead to some fun situations.
Cheers
Markus
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
> ...We'd like to start a discussion on accepting the Weex...
A native German speaker tells me Weex means or sounds something between LOL and NSFW in German - if that's correct that's probably not a good name for an Apache project.
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Weex for Apache Incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Edward J. Yoon
<ed...@samsung.com> wrote:
> ...We'd like to start a discussion on accepting the Weex...
A native German speaker tells me Weex means or sounds something
between LOL and NSFW in German - if that's correct that's probably not
a good name for an Apache project.
-Bertrand
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