Remove Roller Admin Protocol from Roller trunk?

[Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>]

Hi Team, I'm inclined to remove the Roller Admin Protocol from Roller 
trunk, any objections if I do so?  As Dave notes below it hasn't been 
updated in several years and even the documentation from that time warns 
that it wasn't production-usable even at the time it came out several 
years back (2007?), a situation that has probably gotten worse as Roller 
has evolved since then.

We can restore it if someone has the time to devote to making it 
production-worthy, but I suspect if there were newer efforts that it 
would probably be redone from scratch today using more recent 
technologies anyway.  I'm trying to make Roller a more sustainable size 
to accomodate our smaller team, as I see it, it's better to have a small 
well-furnished home rather than a big, drafty mansion with lots of 
half-empty rooms.  :)

Regards,
Glen


On 12/25/2013 07:55 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:
> On 12/22/2013 12:47 PM, Dave wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Team, we have a Roller dev guide[1] under docs, apparently last 
>>> updated in
>>> 2007, mostly empty and, for what isn't empty, mostly obsolete -- I'd 
>>> like
>>> to just delete it.  Any problem if I do so? Today we keep our developer
>>> notes on our Confluence Wiki.
>>>
>>> Potentially *possible* useful material, which I can quickly copy 
>>> over to
>>> our Wiki, is Chapter 6, Publishing via Atom Publishing Protocol and the
>>> huge Chapter 7, Provisioning with Roller Admin Protocol (RAP)[2], the
>>> latter of which I was completely unaware of. (Do we still have RAP in
>>> Roller?  Do we need to get rid of it, modernize it, or?)  Can anyone 
>>> more
>>> knowledgable look at those two chapters and see if I should copy 
>>> them to
>>> the Wiki or if the material is too out-of-date--I won't need to bother
>>> doing so?
>>>
>> Sounds good to me. The wiki is probably a better place for such material
>> anyway. RAP is still in Roller but I doubt anybody is using it and it 
>> has
>> not been tested in years.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>
> OK, deleted the book but moved the RAP chapter to the end of the 
> Install Guide.  For safety I listed it as "alpha" (although it's 
> probably better than that) and made a stronger note in the chapter not 
> to use it in production.  Perhaps we can later discuss removing RAP 
> from Roller entirely, especially if we were to do it again it would be 
> implemented very differently today (i.e., if it not just needs 
> retesting but is architecturally obsolete.)
>
> Glen
>

Re: Remove Roller Admin Protocol from Roller trunk?

[Dave <sn...@gmail.com>]

+1

As far as I know the only software that (once) relied on Roller Admin
Protocol was some part of the Sun portal software back in 2008 (or
earlier). If somebody still needs RAP they can still resurrect it from SVN
and whip it back into shape.

- Dave



On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Team, I'm inclined to remove the Roller Admin Protocol from Roller
> trunk, any objections if I do so?  As Dave notes below it hasn't been
> updated in several years and even the documentation from that time warns
> that it wasn't production-usable even at the time it came out several years
> back (2007?), a situation that has probably gotten worse as Roller has
> evolved since then.
>
> We can restore it if someone has the time to devote to making it
> production-worthy, but I suspect if there were newer efforts that it would
> probably be redone from scratch today using more recent technologies
> anyway.  I'm trying to make Roller a more sustainable size to accomodate
> our smaller team, as I see it, it's better to have a small well-furnished
> home rather than a big, drafty mansion with lots of half-empty rooms.  :)
>
> Regards,
> Glen
>
>
> On 12/25/2013 07:55 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:
>
>> On 12/22/2013 12:47 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Team, we have a Roller dev guide[1] under docs, apparently last updated
>>>> in
>>>> 2007, mostly empty and, for what isn't empty, mostly obsolete -- I'd
>>>> like
>>>> to just delete it.  Any problem if I do so? Today we keep our developer
>>>> notes on our Confluence Wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Potentially *possible* useful material, which I can quickly copy over to
>>>> our Wiki, is Chapter 6, Publishing via Atom Publishing Protocol and the
>>>> huge Chapter 7, Provisioning with Roller Admin Protocol (RAP)[2], the
>>>> latter of which I was completely unaware of. (Do we still have RAP in
>>>> Roller?  Do we need to get rid of it, modernize it, or?)  Can anyone
>>>> more
>>>> knowledgable look at those two chapters and see if I should copy them to
>>>> the Wiki or if the material is too out-of-date--I won't need to bother
>>>> doing so?
>>>>
>>>>  Sounds good to me. The wiki is probably a better place for such
>>> material
>>> anyway. RAP is still in Roller but I doubt anybody is using it and it has
>>> not been tested in years.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>>
>> OK, deleted the book but moved the RAP chapter to the end of the Install
>> Guide.  For safety I listed it as "alpha" (although it's probably better
>> than that) and made a stronger note in the chapter not to use it in
>> production.  Perhaps we can later discuss removing RAP from Roller
>> entirely, especially if we were to do it again it would be implemented very
>> differently today (i.e., if it not just needs retesting but is
>> architecturally obsolete.)
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>